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		<title>By: joe</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jul 2006 03:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i like that software you made, can you tell me where i could get a copy? do you have another site with your work?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i like that software you made, can you tell me where i could get a copy? do you have another site with your work?</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2005/08/27/how-to-portable-car-pc/comment-page-1/#comment-10953</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jul 2006 20:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I admire your approach to this challenge, I think that you&#039;re 100% bang on with your approach and solutions, having read the whole of this I&#039;d like to say the following -

You can&#039;t use beefed-up chips because a) more processor is more power, aswell as more heat generated. More heat is more cooling needed. More cooling is more power. The limitations of this project include a low power budget. Well done for sticking to a low performance CPU.

Maybe you missed a trick - you commented that it would be good to have a cellphone-esque keyboard - maybe it would be good to write a control app for your cellphone, and send commands to the PC over a bluetooth link? Most cellphones have bluetooth now, and decent screens built in... with a cradle for the phone installed in your car I think you&#039;re killing 3 birds with one stone. plus you could operate the PC&#039;s functions from outside of the car. Also if you used a bluetooth headset you could VOIP over any WIFI links.

Am I pushing anyone&#039;s buttons here?

What I would really like to see is a home-built power supply which has the necessary conditioning and capacity to actually power a PC from 12v.

Also, the comments about laptops are at times inappropriate and pointless, I mean, with a PCI slot you can install ANYTHING. USB 2.0, Firewire, WIFI et al, Soundcards, additional graphics cards for further screen capacity, need I go on?

Laptop basic board specs are pitiful, the machines are brilliant but LIMITED. However... re: &quot;would like to use a laptop but screen is too big&quot; - erm, laptops usually have a VGA out, and you could always hack off the screen and mount it in a useful position, and use PS2 mouse and keyboard, and still hide the laptop in a convenient place. PLUS it would run off low volts DC.... I think laptops have advantages and drawbacks, the Tower rebuild works well, but personally I ride a motorbike and honestly......... small is good.

Chris]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I admire your approach to this challenge, I think that you&#8217;re 100% bang on with your approach and solutions, having read the whole of this I&#8217;d like to say the following -</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t use beefed-up chips because a) more processor is more power, aswell as more heat generated. More heat is more cooling needed. More cooling is more power. The limitations of this project include a low power budget. Well done for sticking to a low performance CPU.</p>
<p>Maybe you missed a trick &#8211; you commented that it would be good to have a cellphone-esque keyboard &#8211; maybe it would be good to write a control app for your cellphone, and send commands to the PC over a bluetooth link? Most cellphones have bluetooth now, and decent screens built in&#8230; with a cradle for the phone installed in your car I think you&#8217;re killing 3 birds with one stone. plus you could operate the PC&#8217;s functions from outside of the car. Also if you used a bluetooth headset you could VOIP over any WIFI links.</p>
<p>Am I pushing anyone&#8217;s buttons here?</p>
<p>What I would really like to see is a home-built power supply which has the necessary conditioning and capacity to actually power a PC from 12v.</p>
<p>Also, the comments about laptops are at times inappropriate and pointless, I mean, with a PCI slot you can install ANYTHING. USB 2.0, Firewire, WIFI et al, Soundcards, additional graphics cards for further screen capacity, need I go on?</p>
<p>Laptop basic board specs are pitiful, the machines are brilliant but LIMITED. However&#8230; re: &#8220;would like to use a laptop but screen is too big&#8221; &#8211; erm, laptops usually have a VGA out, and you could always hack off the screen and mount it in a useful position, and use PS2 mouse and keyboard, and still hide the laptop in a convenient place. PLUS it would run off low volts DC&#8230;. I think laptops have advantages and drawbacks, the Tower rebuild works well, but personally I ride a motorbike and honestly&#8230;&#8230;&#8230; small is good.</p>
<p>Chris</p>
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		<title>By: Coop</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2005/08/27/how-to-portable-car-pc/comment-page-1/#comment-10954</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Coop]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 May 2006 13:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow.. lmao, this just screams white trash geek. The Geo Tracker backs it up 100% man...

At least hide the wire ties, ducttape, lose wires an crap and make it more presentable. I have to say that my laptop ridin b1tch with me plays plenty of music for hours over a simple FM transmitter.. If i need wireless theres over 1billion Starbucks in the world, lol.. Ionno.. Perhaps we just got different thought trains.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.. lmao, this just screams white trash geek. The Geo Tracker backs it up 100% man&#8230;</p>
<p>At least hide the wire ties, ducttape, lose wires an crap and make it more presentable. I have to say that my laptop ridin b1tch with me plays plenty of music for hours over a simple FM transmitter.. If i need wireless theres over 1billion Starbucks in the world, lol.. Ionno.. Perhaps we just got different thought trains.</p>
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		<title>By: andrew lee</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2005/08/27/how-to-portable-car-pc/comment-page-1/#comment-10955</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[andrew lee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 May 2006 22:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We are working to design a Car computer. The planned size is 27x27x6.5cm . There is a Control unit (a small box with Power switch/USB/VideoOut/COM/12V) planned to be put under dash. The connection to computer casing with Control unit is by two or three RJ-45 cables. Our design theory is that we will use RJ-45 to replace all the different cables used in car computer. Can you share any idea with us on our design? Thanks!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are working to design a Car computer. The planned size is 27x27x6.5cm . There is a Control unit (a small box with Power switch/USB/VideoOut/COM/12V) planned to be put under dash. The connection to computer casing with Control unit is by two or three RJ-45 cables. Our design theory is that we will use RJ-45 to replace all the different cables used in car computer. Can you share any idea with us on our design? Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Jacket</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2005/08/27/how-to-portable-car-pc/comment-page-1/#comment-10956</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jacket]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2006 19:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I found one in car computer manufacturer, who  build fanless car pc. www.sd-omega.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found one in car computer manufacturer, who  build fanless car pc. <a href="http://www.sd-omega.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.sd-omega.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: 1337</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2005/08/27/how-to-portable-car-pc/comment-page-1/#comment-10957</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[1337]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Apr 2006 19:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are even more carputer installs, pictures, downloads, reviews, tutorials, and more over at www.mobile-effects.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are even more carputer installs, pictures, downloads, reviews, tutorials, and more over at <a href="http://www.mobile-effects.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.mobile-effects.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Douglas J. Hickok</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2005/08/27/how-to-portable-car-pc/comment-page-1/#comment-10959</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Douglas J. Hickok]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Mar 2006 05:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for all the support!  Also, I&#039;m glad to see that this project is giving people ideas for their own systems!  That was my main goal for the writeup.  :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all the support!  Also, I&#8217;m glad to see that this project is giving people ideas for their own systems!  That was my main goal for the writeup.  :-)</p>
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		<title>By: David g</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2005/08/27/how-to-portable-car-pc/comment-page-1/#comment-10958</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David g]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2006 18:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are loads of other car pc users and their isntalls at http://www.dashboardmonkey.com :)

Well done on yours!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are loads of other car pc users and their isntalls at <a href="http://www.dashboardmonkey.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.dashboardmonkey.com</a> :)</p>
<p>Well done on yours!</p>
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		<title>By: Pirate88179</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2005/08/27/how-to-portable-car-pc/comment-page-1/#comment-10961</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pirate88179]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Mar 2006 04:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent job and well done. The fact that you stayed in your budget and got it to do what you designed it to do says it all. NASA could learn from you on this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent job and well done. The fact that you stayed in your budget and got it to do what you designed it to do says it all. NASA could learn from you on this.</p>
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		<title>By: Madhu</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2005/08/27/how-to-portable-car-pc/comment-page-1/#comment-10960</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Madhu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a very exciting project.
You&#039;ve give my imagination a lot of ideas.
Good job!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a very exciting project.<br />
You&#8217;ve give my imagination a lot of ideas.<br />
Good job!</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2005/08/27/how-to-portable-car-pc/comment-page-1/#comment-10962</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2006 03:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi everyone it&#039;s great to see car pc projects around...Great information and ideas on this site...I am a car pc enthusiast and have been collecting some car pc photos recently and it&#039;s already looking great! If you would like to post some of your finished car pc projects please do.
http://carpcdepotintro.blogspot.com/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi everyone it&#8217;s great to see car pc projects around&#8230;Great information and ideas on this site&#8230;I am a car pc enthusiast and have been collecting some car pc photos recently and it&#8217;s already looking great! If you would like to post some of your finished car pc projects please do.<br />
<a href="http://carpcdepotintro.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://carpcdepotintro.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2005/08/27/how-to-portable-car-pc/comment-page-1/#comment-10963</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jan 2006 17:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cool build, given me some ideas for my own rig. That case is definately a winner, I like the wifi  location as well. Currently looking at a Xenarc 700IDT in dash unit as my screen and full sine wave invertor to power the pc.  I  got a USB mouse GPS unit that locks on in under 20 seconds where as the garmin handheld can take up to 3-4 minutes in the same conditions. Gradually bringing it all together. In my test rig, am using destinator mapping with &quot;map monkey&quot; this works really well. I have started a mailing list to get (and give) more info about pc&#039;s in cars. Details on the site if u want to join.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool build, given me some ideas for my own rig. That case is definately a winner, I like the wifi  location as well. Currently looking at a Xenarc 700IDT in dash unit as my screen and full sine wave invertor to power the pc.  I  got a USB mouse GPS unit that locks on in under 20 seconds where as the garmin handheld can take up to 3-4 minutes in the same conditions. Gradually bringing it all together. In my test rig, am using destinator mapping with &#8220;map monkey&#8221; this works really well. I have started a mailing list to get (and give) more info about pc&#8217;s in cars. Details on the site if u want to join.</p>
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		<title>By: joshua</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2005/08/27/how-to-portable-car-pc/comment-page-1/#comment-10965</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[joshua]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2005 10:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi how t going, im joshua everyone I just finished up my in dash computer install, I loaded a gamer pc into my dash with extra hard drives, xenarc touch screen, mobile phone, gps, pcdj.. two 5.25 inch fans ati 9600 card, gig memory, two usb ports are mounted in the center comsole for controllers. email for pics .  I beleive this is one of the sweetest fullsize computer installs yet. Im starting to take it to shows in jan.  the car is a 99 eagle talon,  to much stuff to list for pictures of the computer email me tenoaksonline@yahoo.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi how t going, im joshua everyone I just finished up my in dash computer install, I loaded a gamer pc into my dash with extra hard drives, xenarc touch screen, mobile phone, gps, pcdj.. two 5.25 inch fans ati 9600 card, gig memory, two usb ports are mounted in the center comsole for controllers. email for pics .  I beleive this is one of the sweetest fullsize computer installs yet. Im starting to take it to shows in jan.  the car is a 99 eagle talon,  to much stuff to list for pictures of the computer email me <a href="mailto:tenoaksonline@yahoo.com">tenoaksonline@yahoo.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: pAUL mADDOCKS</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2005/08/27/how-to-portable-car-pc/comment-page-1/#comment-10964</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pAUL mADDOCKS]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 19:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent information and background. It will help me with my install.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent information and background. It will help me with my install.</p>
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		<title>By: bRANDON</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2005/08/27/how-to-portable-car-pc/comment-page-1/#comment-10966</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bRANDON]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2005 09:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was searching for some GPS Software to use with my carputer I am fixin to build, and I ran across your post/pics here.

I build computers and do repairs for many customers but do not have the monies to spend on a custom carputer with parts from mini-itx or just micro components in general.  I purchased a P-40 HP E-vectra a few months ago for $50 just to play with and I was quite suprised in its speed.  Its a 996Mhz machine with 384mb pc-100 RAM and a 20Gig drive.  The only downfall with this PC that I forsee having any problems with in my Car is that it only is usb 1.1 and not 2.0 altho, they make a 2.4 ghz model of the same size computer that is probably 2.0.

I&#039;ve decided to use this as my 1st carputer and just build a custom mini later on, I only plan to spend about $900 for my carputer, but that includes my XM radio interface for my headunit, LCD 7&quot; GPS and Software, Computer, Backup Camera, Playstation Slim, (maybe external DVD), WiFi and Sunvisor TFT displays Pass and Driver.  I could easily pay $400 for a Mini ITX machine and case, $250 for a Screen, and $300 for random PCI or usb accessories just for the computer (including GPS) but it wouldnt be as cool or have as much diversity as my system will have for the cost. I just mainly want to test it out and this is an awesome way to do it, same as you did with your install.  Doesnt have to be perfect, cheap components - if they fry &quot;oh well&quot;.  You can learn and do better with the more expensive nicer install.

I&#039;ve spent about a week over at mp3car.com reading up on anything and everything carputer, and I must say I am so confused by that place - I&#039;d rather go shopping on christmas eve.  Dont get me wrong, its full of GREAT USEFULL information from people who&#039;ve been there and done that, but the forum lacks good administration and guidance.  It is not a place for a newb to be as most people frown on you and your ideas, they wont assist and tell you to search and it took about 3 days of searching just to find out that the lilliput monitors have a native resolution of 800x480 (not 800x600 or anything usable).  Not that I was searching for that info, I just assumed the screen would be a 800x600 until I happened upon a post about how everyone was getting screwed over since their boards wouldnt display that specific dimention - altho 800x600 will work on the screens just fine.

I&#039;ve downloaded almost every Front-end they have and for each one, I&#039;ve got 5 - 10 skins.  The only one I&#039;ve liked so far is RoadRunner, as it was simple and easy to install.  The rest have HORRIBLE threads and instructions.  &quot;(not actual quote)...You must uprade from beta 1.1 to 2.4 and run the patch for test files 1 and 2, download the zip files and overwrite the current directory files after you upgrade blah blah...&quot;  This is fine for members who have followed these projects, but it doesnt help newbs learn anything, but just makes you search more and find more information to search for.

I still have no clue what GPS software I can use with Roadrunner as I cant find the specific word to search for or the right thread to read under the GPS or Software development section (as I&#039;ve read through 15 pages of threads).

Dont waste your time going over there unless you really do have time to waste and you want to actually research.  Just go with your gut and throw something cheap together and learn from it.

Hope no one from MP3Car took offense, it was MHO since everyone else though they should thow theirs out about the site.  You guys do have tons of info and knowledgable people its just that the forums are too full of unorganized worthless posts to dig through.

Goodluck with the zip ties and duct tape :P I&#039;m backin ya]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was searching for some GPS Software to use with my carputer I am fixin to build, and I ran across your post/pics here.</p>
<p>I build computers and do repairs for many customers but do not have the monies to spend on a custom carputer with parts from mini-itx or just micro components in general.  I purchased a P-40 HP E-vectra a few months ago for $50 just to play with and I was quite suprised in its speed.  Its a 996Mhz machine with 384mb pc-100 RAM and a 20Gig drive.  The only downfall with this PC that I forsee having any problems with in my Car is that it only is usb 1.1 and not 2.0 altho, they make a 2.4 ghz model of the same size computer that is probably 2.0.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve decided to use this as my 1st carputer and just build a custom mini later on, I only plan to spend about $900 for my carputer, but that includes my XM radio interface for my headunit, LCD 7&#8243; GPS and Software, Computer, Backup Camera, Playstation Slim, (maybe external DVD), WiFi and Sunvisor TFT displays Pass and Driver.  I could easily pay $400 for a Mini ITX machine and case, $250 for a Screen, and $300 for random PCI or usb accessories just for the computer (including GPS) but it wouldnt be as cool or have as much diversity as my system will have for the cost. I just mainly want to test it out and this is an awesome way to do it, same as you did with your install.  Doesnt have to be perfect, cheap components &#8211; if they fry &#8220;oh well&#8221;.  You can learn and do better with the more expensive nicer install.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve spent about a week over at mp3car.com reading up on anything and everything carputer, and I must say I am so confused by that place &#8211; I&#8217;d rather go shopping on christmas eve.  Dont get me wrong, its full of GREAT USEFULL information from people who&#8217;ve been there and done that, but the forum lacks good administration and guidance.  It is not a place for a newb to be as most people frown on you and your ideas, they wont assist and tell you to search and it took about 3 days of searching just to find out that the lilliput monitors have a native resolution of 800&#215;480 (not 800&#215;600 or anything usable).  Not that I was searching for that info, I just assumed the screen would be a 800&#215;600 until I happened upon a post about how everyone was getting screwed over since their boards wouldnt display that specific dimention &#8211; altho 800&#215;600 will work on the screens just fine.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve downloaded almost every Front-end they have and for each one, I&#8217;ve got 5 &#8211; 10 skins.  The only one I&#8217;ve liked so far is RoadRunner, as it was simple and easy to install.  The rest have HORRIBLE threads and instructions.  &#8220;(not actual quote)&#8230;You must uprade from beta 1.1 to 2.4 and run the patch for test files 1 and 2, download the zip files and overwrite the current directory files after you upgrade blah blah&#8230;&#8221;  This is fine for members who have followed these projects, but it doesnt help newbs learn anything, but just makes you search more and find more information to search for.</p>
<p>I still have no clue what GPS software I can use with Roadrunner as I cant find the specific word to search for or the right thread to read under the GPS or Software development section (as I&#8217;ve read through 15 pages of threads).</p>
<p>Dont waste your time going over there unless you really do have time to waste and you want to actually research.  Just go with your gut and throw something cheap together and learn from it.</p>
<p>Hope no one from MP3Car took offense, it was MHO since everyone else though they should thow theirs out about the site.  You guys do have tons of info and knowledgable people its just that the forums are too full of unorganized worthless posts to dig through.</p>
<p>Goodluck with the zip ties and duct tape :P I&#8217;m backin ya</p>
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