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		<title>By: Old Comedywriter</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2006/05/23/ccfl-backlight-replaced-with-white-leds/comment-page-1/#comment-102409</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Old Comedywriter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 19:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I bought a bad no-picture 15&quot; HDTV on Ebay for $50, a LED flex strip light for $10, and now have a really cool (literally) flat panel TV.  Whites are a little dim, slight &quot;stage lighting&quot; effect, but it works fine with the right color temp setting.  Took only an hour to do the mod.  Now it sits next to my repaired $50 21&quot; computer monitor with all new electrolytics and $50 Ebay P4 computer, which is a server for my free salvaged weather station (also with LED replacement backlight.)  The fun I had in repairing all this:  Priceless.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bought a bad no-picture 15&#8243; HDTV on Ebay for $50, a LED flex strip light for $10, and now have a really cool (literally) flat panel TV.  Whites are a little dim, slight &#8220;stage lighting&#8221; effect, but it works fine with the right color temp setting.  Took only an hour to do the mod.  Now it sits next to my repaired $50 21&#8243; computer monitor with all new electrolytics and $50 Ebay P4 computer, which is a server for my free salvaged weather station (also with LED replacement backlight.)  The fun I had in repairing all this:  Priceless.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry S</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2006/05/23/ccfl-backlight-replaced-with-white-leds/comment-page-1/#comment-19388</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jerry S]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 17:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The brightness of DLP tvs is by duty cycle modulation and the red, blue, and green colors appear sequentially, so the response of the eye and brain to pulsed light and color has been well studied. No need to do it over again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The brightness of DLP tvs is by duty cycle modulation and the red, blue, and green colors appear sequentially, so the response of the eye and brain to pulsed light and color has been well studied. No need to do it over again.</p>
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		<title>By: twentynine</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2006/05/23/ccfl-backlight-replaced-with-white-leds/comment-page-1/#comment-19383</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[twentynine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jun 2006 12:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Because he speaks/types German, maybe?  How did you notice two tiny keys and not a screen full of German text? ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because he speaks/types German, maybe?  How did you notice two tiny keys and not a screen full of German text? ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Cyrus</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2006/05/23/ccfl-backlight-replaced-with-white-leds/comment-page-1/#comment-19382</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cyrus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jun 2006 04:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why are the &quot;Y&quot; and &quot;Z&quot; keys on your keyboard switched?  Did anyone else notice this?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are the &#8220;Y&#8221; and &#8220;Z&#8221; keys on your keyboard switched?  Did anyone else notice this?</p>
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		<title>By: Vincent</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2006/05/23/ccfl-backlight-replaced-with-white-leds/comment-page-1/#comment-19384</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vincent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2006 22:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[do you get any longer run time running off the battery?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>do you get any longer run time running off the battery?</p>
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		<title>By: seth</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2006/05/23/ccfl-backlight-replaced-with-white-leds/comment-page-1/#comment-19385</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[seth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 May 2006 01:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Has anyone tried a single, ultrabright LED with a piece of perspex rod? You can get the square or triangular rods (clear or diffused). I&#039;m thinking if you cut it right you could get a nice distribution of light with just the single LED..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone tried a single, ultrabright LED with a piece of perspex rod? You can get the square or triangular rods (clear or diffused). I&#8217;m thinking if you cut it right you could get a nice distribution of light with just the single LED..</p>
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		<title>By: d1</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2006/05/23/ccfl-backlight-replaced-with-white-leds/comment-page-1/#comment-19386</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[d1]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 May 2006 17:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I got a 3 year old FOSA NB-34B laptop with a blown inverter, near-dead battery and serious paint fade and i wonder if i can do this to it. The cold cathode still works but the inverter has blackened parts. I was *theorizing* that by getting 11V from the Pow Sup. it will go to a resistor, stepping it down to 4V, going to a variable resistor (Bright Control) to an array of White LEDs. I know that this theory (excuse me) sucks because the technicians laughed, so any brighter ideas? Anyone?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got a 3 year old FOSA NB-34B laptop with a blown inverter, near-dead battery and serious paint fade and i wonder if i can do this to it. The cold cathode still works but the inverter has blackened parts. I was *theorizing* that by getting 11V from the Pow Sup. it will go to a resistor, stepping it down to 4V, going to a variable resistor (Bright Control) to an array of White LEDs. I know that this theory (excuse me) sucks because the technicians laughed, so any brighter ideas? Anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: adean</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2006/05/23/ccfl-backlight-replaced-with-white-leds/comment-page-1/#comment-19387</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[adean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 May 2006 10:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve had this argument before too. AFAIK the eye responds linearly to the total power impingent on it (if that is even a word) -  unless - it is slow enough to visibly flicker. In that case it will appear brighter because of the retina&#039;s movement detection circuitry.

BTW I would like to try RGB LED backlighting to enhance the colour gamut of an LCD, apparently (as in I am guessing) this is how the high end monitors do it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve had this argument before too. AFAIK the eye responds linearly to the total power impingent on it (if that is even a word) &#8211;  unless &#8211; it is slow enough to visibly flicker. In that case it will appear brighter because of the retina&#8217;s movement detection circuitry.</p>
<p>BTW I would like to try RGB LED backlighting to enhance the colour gamut of an LCD, apparently (as in I am guessing) this is how the high end monitors do it.</p>
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		<title>By: IMWeasel</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2006/05/23/ccfl-backlight-replaced-with-white-leds/comment-page-1/#comment-19360</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[IMWeasel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 May 2006 20:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;My main reason for believing such is my own experience&quot;

You are the first to disagree with me and claim actual experience.  In the past it&#039;s always been a &quot;well, I read it on the net somewhere&quot; or &quot;so and so told me&quot; kind of thing.

So now I think I am going to have to build something to test this now.  Like maybe take a microcontroller and program it to PWM a LED at different duty cycles, and then build a constant current driver and adjust it to match the brightness and then measure the current and compare to the PWM duty cycle.

If I really wanted to get fancy, I could make the microcontroller control both the PWM and the constant current source and be able to switch which goes to which LED and change which LED was being adjusted.  The microcontroller could be programmed to do a sort of double blind test that way because I wouldn&#039;t know which LED was constant current and which LED was PWMed when I was matching the brightness.  So many projects to do, so little time.  :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;My main reason for believing such is my own experience&#8221;</p>
<p>You are the first to disagree with me and claim actual experience.  In the past it&#8217;s always been a &#8220;well, I read it on the net somewhere&#8221; or &#8220;so and so told me&#8221; kind of thing.</p>
<p>So now I think I am going to have to build something to test this now.  Like maybe take a microcontroller and program it to PWM a LED at different duty cycles, and then build a constant current driver and adjust it to match the brightness and then measure the current and compare to the PWM duty cycle.</p>
<p>If I really wanted to get fancy, I could make the microcontroller control both the PWM and the constant current source and be able to switch which goes to which LED and change which LED was being adjusted.  The microcontroller could be programmed to do a sort of double blind test that way because I wouldn&#8217;t know which LED was constant current and which LED was PWMed when I was matching the brightness.  So many projects to do, so little time.  :)</p>
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		<title>By: daniel</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2006/05/23/ccfl-backlight-replaced-with-white-leds/comment-page-1/#comment-19361</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[daniel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 May 2006 19:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Do you have any references to these studies?&quot;

Unfortunately I can locate none at the moment. My main reason for believing such is my own experience when I replicated a test with a 10 segment LED bar graph, with the segments driven in 10% duty increments, and to my eye the gradations were closer to logarithmic (I had printouts of a linear and logarithmic scale, both in 10 gradations to match to). The phenomenon may be due to some other factor but I have seen it in practice.

A photograph of the experiment showed a linear scale, but this was not as it appears to the eye, probably due to some process in the eye or the brain in processing the image.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Do you have any references to these studies?&#8221;</p>
<p>Unfortunately I can locate none at the moment. My main reason for believing such is my own experience when I replicated a test with a 10 segment LED bar graph, with the segments driven in 10% duty increments, and to my eye the gradations were closer to logarithmic (I had printouts of a linear and logarithmic scale, both in 10 gradations to match to). The phenomenon may be due to some other factor but I have seen it in practice.</p>
<p>A photograph of the experiment showed a linear scale, but this was not as it appears to the eye, probably due to some process in the eye or the brain in processing the image.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2006/05/23/ccfl-backlight-replaced-with-white-leds/comment-page-1/#comment-19362</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Justin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 May 2006 05:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would love to find someone with one of these or something like it broken so i could play with it]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would love to find someone with one of these or something like it broken so i could play with it</p>
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		<title>By: IMWeasel</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2006/05/23/ccfl-backlight-replaced-with-white-leds/comment-page-1/#comment-19364</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[IMWeasel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 May 2006 03:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Actually, I believe studies have shown that the brightness does not tend to fall of linearly with duty cycle (that is, 50% dut = 50% brightness) but closer to logarithmically because of persistence of vision.&quot;

Do you have any references to these studies?  I&#039;ve had this debate with people before and nobody has ever been able to come up with any.  I personally think it is a myth.

I have designed several multiplexed LED displays, and my own personal experience is that it is reasonabley close to linear.  I&#039;ve pushed it as far as a 10:1 multiplexing and in that case I did have to run 10 times the current to get the same brightness.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Actually, I believe studies have shown that the brightness does not tend to fall of linearly with duty cycle (that is, 50% dut = 50% brightness) but closer to logarithmically because of persistence of vision.&#8221;</p>
<p>Do you have any references to these studies?  I&#8217;ve had this debate with people before and nobody has ever been able to come up with any.  I personally think it is a myth.</p>
<p>I have designed several multiplexed LED displays, and my own personal experience is that it is reasonabley close to linear.  I&#8217;ve pushed it as far as a 10:1 multiplexing and in that case I did have to run 10 times the current to get the same brightness.</p>
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		<title>By: p00nlog</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2006/05/23/ccfl-backlight-replaced-with-white-leds/comment-page-1/#comment-19363</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[p00nlog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 May 2006 17:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/hpcmips/#supported

this is the site for the netbsd-hpcmips distribution (what runs on the mobilepro). huge list of supported devices and to what extent they are supported. of course, some of these devices are rather obscure, and you&#039;d have to do some googling to get the finer points, but a good starting point at least.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/hpcmips/#supported" rel="nofollow">http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/hpcmips/#supported</a></p>
<p>this is the site for the netbsd-hpcmips distribution (what runs on the mobilepro). huge list of supported devices and to what extent they are supported. of course, some of these devices are rather obscure, and you&#8217;d have to do some googling to get the finer points, but a good starting point at least.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2006/05/23/ccfl-backlight-replaced-with-white-leds/comment-page-1/#comment-19365</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alexander]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 May 2006 16:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Would it be possible to have a list of ultra-portable palmtop/handtop/PDA devices that run *nix? I got the Toshiba Libertto, this one on this page, the NEC Mobilepro 790 and that&#039;s it.

What I&#039;m looking for is something to become my alarm clock (streaming MP3 through wireless) and my small portable to keep near my bedside when I have an idea in the middle of the night. Currently I have a Toshiba E740 and it&#039;s really starting to annoy me as every time I set it down it hard-resets and loses all my data that I don&#039;t save to my CF Card.

Thanks for any help.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would it be possible to have a list of ultra-portable palmtop/handtop/PDA devices that run *nix? I got the Toshiba Libertto, this one on this page, the NEC Mobilepro 790 and that&#8217;s it.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;m looking for is something to become my alarm clock (streaming MP3 through wireless) and my small portable to keep near my bedside when I have an idea in the middle of the night. Currently I have a Toshiba E740 and it&#8217;s really starting to annoy me as every time I set it down it hard-resets and loses all my data that I don&#8217;t save to my CF Card.</p>
<p>Thanks for any help.</p>
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		<title>By: neato</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neato]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 May 2006 12:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like it! but how about making use of the micro&#039;s comparator and pwm instead of the crusty (read: slow) adc! you can use the interrupt (positive edge) to turn on the pwm output and negative to turn it off again. http://www.edn.com/article/CA6330096.html?spacedesc=designIdeas&amp;industryid=44217]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like it! but how about making use of the micro&#8217;s comparator and pwm instead of the crusty (read: slow) adc! you can use the interrupt (positive edge) to turn on the pwm output and negative to turn it off again. <a href="http://www.edn.com/article/CA6330096.html?spacedesc=designIdeas&#038;industryid=44217" rel="nofollow">http://www.edn.com/article/CA6330096.html?spacedesc=designIdeas&#038;industryid=44217</a></p>
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