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		<title>By: JohnMark</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2006/11/14/zune-gutted/comment-page-1/#comment-124133</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 07:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have a Zune.. it sucks balls.. it would be nice if i could use it on my suse.. how simply wonderful it would be if i could just drag my banshee mp3s right over to the device.. but that would be to easy..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a Zune.. it sucks balls.. it would be nice if i could use it on my suse.. how simply wonderful it would be if i could just drag my banshee mp3s right over to the device.. but that would be to easy..</p>
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		<title>By: grungedoobie</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2006/11/14/zune-gutted/comment-page-1/#comment-68287</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 01:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The jolly guy laughed himself sick when he sent my dad a Zune for Christmas.  Here&#039;s the skinny.  Most of us at the house have gone Linux because we&#039;re tired of paying bucks to MacroShaft for shoddy software.  There isn&#039;t anything yet that we&#039;ve not been able to do with Linux that we did with the other.  We&#039;re simple people but we like to be able to use decent software, and the Linux communities have given us that.  Thank you Linux communities.  8-)

The Zune.  Wow.  That company is so full of hate towards whatever it thinks may be any sort of competition that it takes it out on its customers by coming up with this contraption.  I have an AMD Phenom 9500 Quad on a generic MoBo.  I ripped Vista off the thing shortly after getting it because it ran like garbage.  Put linux on it, and now I have a dream machine.

My dad has a good machine that&#039;s a couple years older than mine, and we took Vista off of it for the same reason.  Now, he has a dream machine.

So, he gets the Zune.  Now we have a WMD  (Windows Media Device?) with 120G drive that only plays one video and has some free lance splash art on it.

I had an old XP SP2 disk (yes, and the proper key) and set about making the Zune useful.

What a nightmare!!  XP was written for single core processors, and is forbidden by its writers to function on anything else.  XP fried a hard drive when I tried to make it a USB boot device.  (These installs are easily done in Linux by the way.  No matter what flavor you choose.)  The USB boot device was a measure of last resort because XP refused to use the hardware after making a flawless install.

Finally I opted to try puting it on a computer from 1996.  Intel P3 S1 550Mhz.  It had Linux on it as well, and is used as a backup computer.  I had to rummage through parts to find a configuration that XP could work with (nightmare).  As always, Linux was working beautifully with what was already there.

I finally got XP installed.  Ever tried installing a Dell version of XP on a Gateway MoBo?  What a pain.  The Zune Software is shoddy at best.  If a file is out of place during the first sync, you have to sync three more times just to set it right.  There&#039;s no way of organizing files on the Zune.  There&#039;s no way of modifying play lists directly from the Zune.  You can&#039;t directly manage files on the Zune unless you tweak your registry and hope that tweak doesn&#039;t crash your system.  You have to install about a dozen overbloated programs just to add a game to the Zune.  MacroShaft has never fixed their device grab and release problems, so good luck trying to sync twice in less that 10 minutes without hanging the device manager and having to reboot.  (Especially when you sync via wireless.)  The only upgrades available to the Zune customers are what MacroShaft wants you to have.  (Aside from a weak game scripting software package that is a poor attempt of a hack off of visual C++)  Programs written for one version of OS on the Zune are not compatible with any other.  Battery life stinks.  Shall I continue?

Linux, help save us from this madness!!

Or better yet, Let&#039;s clobber us a jolly bearded maniac.  8-)  Y&#039;all be cool.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The jolly guy laughed himself sick when he sent my dad a Zune for Christmas.  Here&#8217;s the skinny.  Most of us at the house have gone Linux because we&#8217;re tired of paying bucks to MacroShaft for shoddy software.  There isn&#8217;t anything yet that we&#8217;ve not been able to do with Linux that we did with the other.  We&#8217;re simple people but we like to be able to use decent software, and the Linux communities have given us that.  Thank you Linux communities.  8-)</p>
<p>The Zune.  Wow.  That company is so full of hate towards whatever it thinks may be any sort of competition that it takes it out on its customers by coming up with this contraption.  I have an AMD Phenom 9500 Quad on a generic MoBo.  I ripped Vista off the thing shortly after getting it because it ran like garbage.  Put linux on it, and now I have a dream machine.</p>
<p>My dad has a good machine that&#8217;s a couple years older than mine, and we took Vista off of it for the same reason.  Now, he has a dream machine.</p>
<p>So, he gets the Zune.  Now we have a WMD  (Windows Media Device?) with 120G drive that only plays one video and has some free lance splash art on it.</p>
<p>I had an old XP SP2 disk (yes, and the proper key) and set about making the Zune useful.</p>
<p>What a nightmare!!  XP was written for single core processors, and is forbidden by its writers to function on anything else.  XP fried a hard drive when I tried to make it a USB boot device.  (These installs are easily done in Linux by the way.  No matter what flavor you choose.)  The USB boot device was a measure of last resort because XP refused to use the hardware after making a flawless install.</p>
<p>Finally I opted to try puting it on a computer from 1996.  Intel P3 S1 550Mhz.  It had Linux on it as well, and is used as a backup computer.  I had to rummage through parts to find a configuration that XP could work with (nightmare).  As always, Linux was working beautifully with what was already there.</p>
<p>I finally got XP installed.  Ever tried installing a Dell version of XP on a Gateway MoBo?  What a pain.  The Zune Software is shoddy at best.  If a file is out of place during the first sync, you have to sync three more times just to set it right.  There&#8217;s no way of organizing files on the Zune.  There&#8217;s no way of modifying play lists directly from the Zune.  You can&#8217;t directly manage files on the Zune unless you tweak your registry and hope that tweak doesn&#8217;t crash your system.  You have to install about a dozen overbloated programs just to add a game to the Zune.  MacroShaft has never fixed their device grab and release problems, so good luck trying to sync twice in less that 10 minutes without hanging the device manager and having to reboot.  (Especially when you sync via wireless.)  The only upgrades available to the Zune customers are what MacroShaft wants you to have.  (Aside from a weak game scripting software package that is a poor attempt of a hack off of visual C++)  Programs written for one version of OS on the Zune are not compatible with any other.  Battery life stinks.  Shall I continue?</p>
<p>Linux, help save us from this madness!!</p>
<p>Or better yet, Let&#8217;s clobber us a jolly bearded maniac.  8-)  Y&#8217;all be cool.</p>
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		<title>By: ZUN34G3</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2006/11/14/zune-gutted/comment-page-1/#comment-63145</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ZUN34G3]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Zune. Linux. Can we please use the wifi for seomthing else? Not many people want to share songs with other people. Put linux on it, lets browse the internet. Internet radio. Something? Please? Anyone?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zune. Linux. Can we please use the wifi for seomthing else? Not many people want to share songs with other people. Put linux on it, lets browse the internet. Internet radio. Something? Please? Anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: Aerospaced</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2006/11/14/zune-gutted/comment-page-1/#comment-23193</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aerospaced]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 22:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have been going over the data sheets for the IC&#039;s that I can make out, wow, the potential here is awesome! Do you have a list of the other IC&#039;s? Nothing here has been potted, the FOOLS! I think I will conformal coat mine when I finish my mods.&lt;br&gt; P.S. I have an idea of what your up to now.LOL ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been going over the data sheets for the IC&#8217;s that I can make out, wow, the potential here is awesome! Do you have a list of the other IC&#8217;s? Nothing here has been potted, the FOOLS! I think I will conformal coat mine when I finish my mods.<br /> P.S. I have an idea of what your up to now.LOL ;)</p>
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		<title>By: hackarmy</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2006/11/14/zune-gutted/comment-page-1/#comment-23192</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hackarmy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 23:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i wonder  wath that moddule is next to the lcd ribbon cable ? *cough*]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i wonder  wath that moddule is next to the lcd ribbon cable ? *cough*</p>
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		<title>By: Fenix</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2006/11/14/zune-gutted/comment-page-1/#comment-23191</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fenix]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 23:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[its kinda funny, I won a free zune but now im gona hack it and put linux on it, since linux owned microshit from day one in everything.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>its kinda funny, I won a free zune but now im gona hack it and put linux on it, since linux owned microshit from day one in everything.</p>
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		<title>By: Jinx</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2006/11/14/zune-gutted/comment-page-1/#comment-23190</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jinx]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 01:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would love to see a way to hack zune to use flac files, flac &gt; zune support would rock.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I dont want to have to convert my media to put it in my zune which converts it again anyway..... :(&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Help this lossless fanatic and the millions in other lurking in the lossless realm.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would love to see a way to hack zune to use flac files, flac > zune support would rock.</p>
<p>I dont want to have to convert my media to put it in my zune which converts it again anyway&#8230;.. :(</p>
<p>Help this lossless fanatic and the millions in other lurking in the lossless realm.</p>
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		<title>By: mike greenwood</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2006/11/14/zune-gutted/comment-page-1/#comment-23189</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mike greenwood]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 04:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with vk about the software defining the zune and linux just making it another linux device.  But that&#039;s the point, I dropped windows two years ago and received a zune as a gift (non-returnable) and you can really use it...&lt;br&gt;That&#039;s crap....  Hack it put a linux kernel on it with a simple GUI with xmms, a photo library, and a video player&lt;br&gt;Done and it&#039;s a use full device.  The wifi is still kind of useless in this application....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with vk about the software defining the zune and linux just making it another linux device.  But that&#8217;s the point, I dropped windows two years ago and received a zune as a gift (non-returnable) and you can really use it&#8230;<br />That&#8217;s crap&#8230;.  Hack it put a linux kernel on it with a simple GUI with xmms, a photo library, and a video player<br />Done and it&#8217;s a use full device.  The wifi is still kind of useless in this application&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: bluescales</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2006/11/14/zune-gutted/comment-page-1/#comment-23188</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bluescales]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 07:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, yeah, vk, installing linux on the zune would be a bit like installing linux on PC that had windows...a lot better, faster, and more customizable. Plus you could send files via wi-fi and play them as much as you want. Plus maybe even a web browser or something... I dunno much about the hardware in these things, but I can imagine it MIGHT be possible to do some sort of browser. I&#039;ll bet MS tried to hide something in there to make it really really hard to install linux.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, yeah, vk, installing linux on the zune would be a bit like installing linux on PC that had windows&#8230;a lot better, faster, and more customizable. Plus you could send files via wi-fi and play them as much as you want. Plus maybe even a web browser or something&#8230; I dunno much about the hardware in these things, but I can imagine it MIGHT be possible to do some sort of browser. I&#8217;ll bet MS tried to hide something in there to make it really really hard to install linux.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2006/11/14/zune-gutted/comment-page-1/#comment-23187</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 04:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My wife and I both have Zunes with the &quot;all you can eat&quot; membership to the Zune Marketplace, and we love them.  They do most of the things that we want them to do.  For the recordâ¦ we donât squirt anything with our Zunes.  I canât defend that gem of miserable marketing.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I bought a Zune, but I donât hold any ill feelings toward the iPod.  The iPod is, and has been, a great device that has revolutionized the industry.  You just donât sell 100 million iPod&#039;s if they totally suck.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The fact of the matter is that there is a bandwagon of &quot;I hate Microsoft&quot; people that will hate everything that Microsoft creates.  That, along with racism, sexism, etc, will never change.  If the Zune was released with the ability to make you 6â 3â tall and bring back dead relatives, there would still be a group of people that would complain that they wanted to be 6â 4â tall or that they hate all there dead relatives and would never use that feature.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The Zune is Microsoftâs first attempt at a device that is in direct competition with the iPod.  I think they did a great job on the initial product, and I hope that they will continue to release firmware adding functionality that matters to me in the future (not holding my breath).  I am happy with the product I boughtâ¦ for now, but if I want a feature they don&#039;t add, I am not against going to Linux to get the features I want.  I long since did the same with most of the computers in my house.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wife and I both have Zunes with the &#8220;all you can eat&#8221; membership to the Zune Marketplace, and we love them.  They do most of the things that we want them to do.  For the recordâ¦ we donât squirt anything with our Zunes.  I canât defend that gem of miserable marketing.</p>
<p>I bought a Zune, but I donât hold any ill feelings toward the iPod.  The iPod is, and has been, a great device that has revolutionized the industry.  You just donât sell 100 million iPod&#8217;s if they totally suck.  </p>
<p>The fact of the matter is that there is a bandwagon of &#8220;I hate Microsoft&#8221; people that will hate everything that Microsoft creates.  That, along with racism, sexism, etc, will never change.  If the Zune was released with the ability to make you 6â 3â tall and bring back dead relatives, there would still be a group of people that would complain that they wanted to be 6â 4â tall or that they hate all there dead relatives and would never use that feature.</p>
<p>The Zune is Microsoftâs first attempt at a device that is in direct competition with the iPod.  I think they did a great job on the initial product, and I hope that they will continue to release firmware adding functionality that matters to me in the future (not holding my breath).  I am happy with the product I boughtâ¦ for now, but if I want a feature they don&#8217;t add, I am not against going to Linux to get the features I want.  I long since did the same with most of the computers in my house.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Smith</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2006/11/14/zune-gutted/comment-page-1/#comment-23186</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steven Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2007 13:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I love when I read how much people hate the Zune and favor the IPod or any other MP3 player over the Zune.  If anyone in the room can tell me one feature the IPod does over the Zune that is worth while (I don&#039;t count being able to play Tetris or watch a full length movie on a 2.5&quot; screen w/black widescreen bars a plus) then I will bow down to you.  I had a 30 gb Video IPod and sold it days before the Zune was released.  I love it, the ability to buy an mp3 player that doesn&#039;t feel like I need to rush out and immediately buy a case for it just so it has a chance to see its 1 month birthday.  The ability to fully customize the look and feel is expecially nice since I am both a photographer and graphic designer.  And the option to fill my MP3 player for $15 a month as oppposed to ITunes marvelous $.99 a song or $9.99 a cd.  So to all the neighsayers I would love to know why the IPod is &quot;the better choice&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love when I read how much people hate the Zune and favor the IPod or any other MP3 player over the Zune.  If anyone in the room can tell me one feature the IPod does over the Zune that is worth while (I don&#8217;t count being able to play Tetris or watch a full length movie on a 2.5&#8243; screen w/black widescreen bars a plus) then I will bow down to you.  I had a 30 gb Video IPod and sold it days before the Zune was released.  I love it, the ability to buy an mp3 player that doesn&#8217;t feel like I need to rush out and immediately buy a case for it just so it has a chance to see its 1 month birthday.  The ability to fully customize the look and feel is expecially nice since I am both a photographer and graphic designer.  And the option to fill my MP3 player for $15 a month as oppposed to ITunes marvelous $.99 a song or $9.99 a cd.  So to all the neighsayers I would love to know why the IPod is &#8220;the better choice&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: mskee</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2006/11/14/zune-gutted/comment-page-1/#comment-23185</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mskee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 07:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Please... Only someone who buys into the whole ipod marketing &#039;you aren&#039;t cool if you dont have one&#039; crap could say zune sucks.  I&#039;m no fan of ms windows, but they actually did a good job with this mp3 player. Anyone who knows anything about hardware or software design knows Zune is superior to ipod in almost every way.  ipod sucks, and only people who buy into the marketing are dumb enough to buy one.&lt;br&gt;  I would however be curious to see a linux hack on Zune, if done properly theres alot of potential.&lt;br&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please&#8230; Only someone who buys into the whole ipod marketing &#8216;you aren&#8217;t cool if you dont have one&#8217; crap could say zune sucks.  I&#8217;m no fan of ms windows, but they actually did a good job with this mp3 player. Anyone who knows anything about hardware or software design knows Zune is superior to ipod in almost every way.  ipod sucks, and only people who buy into the marketing are dumb enough to buy one.<br />  I would however be curious to see a linux hack on Zune, if done properly theres alot of potential.</p>
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		<title>By: larry mcsandals</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2006/11/14/zune-gutted/comment-page-1/#comment-23184</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[larry mcsandals]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 07:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[welll its a lot uglier with the cover on so i say they should have clear plastic shells.&lt;br&gt;whos with me?&lt;br&gt;OH and also, if it could be modded to put an ipod like clickwheel interface with its linux software that dosnt have a crappy drmatized 3 day 3 play bs, SOLD]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>welll its a lot uglier with the cover on so i say they should have clear plastic shells.<br />whos with me?<br />OH and also, if it could be modded to put an ipod like clickwheel interface with its linux software that dosnt have a crappy drmatized 3 day 3 play bs, SOLD</p>
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		<title>By: Manzoor</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2006/11/14/zune-gutted/comment-page-1/#comment-23183</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Manzoor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Dec 2006 01:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[GREEEEATTT!!Cant wait to see LINUX FOR ZUNE!!!&lt;br&gt;    GOO FOR IT&lt;br&gt;KEEEP UP DA GOOD WORK]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GREEEEATTT!!Cant wait to see LINUX FOR ZUNE!!!<br />    GOO FOR IT<br />KEEEP UP DA GOOD WORK</p>
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		<title>By: julian</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2006/11/14/zune-gutted/comment-page-1/#comment-23182</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[julian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Dec 2006 19:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[someone figure out how to make zune play protected music... or get pass that fucking 3 by 3 rule or whatever it is!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>someone figure out how to make zune play protected music&#8230; or get pass that fucking 3 by 3 rule or whatever it is!</p>
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