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		<title>By: Joel</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2006/12/11/diy-russian-el-display/comment-page-1/#comment-23770</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Dec 2006 09:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Okay, the radium stuff is just to show the luminescence in a simplified setting.  Notice, he doesn&#039;t talk about putting radium into his screen, only the &quot;luminophor&quot;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;By the way, the danger from radium isn&#039;t penetrating radiation (the author is correct, alpha particles don&#039;t even penetrate the dead layer of your skin), it&#039;s the fact that your bones treat radium like calcium, and lock it away for later use; alpha particles then bombard your bone marrow from one cell away.  Any dust you ingest (mucus with trapped, inhaled particles usually gets swallowed) will be very unhealthy.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The salts of cobalt, cadmium and osmium produce light at different frequencies; he isn&#039;t thinking about them for radioactivity.  The first two are toxic, and the third is exorbitantly expensive (pricier than platinum!), which might be the difficulty he&#039;s having.  The first two aren&#039;t hard to get at all: Ni-Cd batteries have metallic Cd (at least, when fully charged...), and Li-ion batteries have cobalt oxide (with varying quantities of intercalated lithium...it&#039;s purer, again, when the battery is fully charged).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, the radium stuff is just to show the luminescence in a simplified setting.  Notice, he doesn&#8217;t talk about putting radium into his screen, only the &#8220;luminophor&#8221;.</p>
<p>By the way, the danger from radium isn&#8217;t penetrating radiation (the author is correct, alpha particles don&#8217;t even penetrate the dead layer of your skin), it&#8217;s the fact that your bones treat radium like calcium, and lock it away for later use; alpha particles then bombard your bone marrow from one cell away.  Any dust you ingest (mucus with trapped, inhaled particles usually gets swallowed) will be very unhealthy.</p>
<p>The salts of cobalt, cadmium and osmium produce light at different frequencies; he isn&#8217;t thinking about them for radioactivity.  The first two are toxic, and the third is exorbitantly expensive (pricier than platinum!), which might be the difficulty he&#8217;s having.  The first two aren&#8217;t hard to get at all: Ni-Cd batteries have metallic Cd (at least, when fully charged&#8230;), and Li-ion batteries have cobalt oxide (with varying quantities of intercalated lithium&#8230;it&#8217;s purer, again, when the battery is fully charged).</p>
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		<title>By: Elbarfo</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2006/12/11/diy-russian-el-display/comment-page-1/#comment-23769</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elbarfo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 05:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If this guy doesn&#039;t think radium is unhealthy, he should read a little about Marie Curie...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That being said, it&#039;s amazing what people can come up with using limited resources.  Interesting project, for sure.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this guy doesn&#8217;t think radium is unhealthy, he should read a little about Marie Curie&#8230;</p>
<p>That being said, it&#8217;s amazing what people can come up with using limited resources.  Interesting project, for sure.</p>
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		<title>By: neoxide</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2006/12/11/diy-russian-el-display/comment-page-1/#comment-23768</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neoxide]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 23:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So it&#039;s a handbuilt ZX80 clone.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I have a ZX80, boxed with manuals, in my computer shed. It was sent to my dad by Clive Sinclair himself when he wrote a letter to the company asking for a free one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So it&#8217;s a handbuilt ZX80 clone.</p>
<p>I have a ZX80, boxed with manuals, in my computer shed. It was sent to my dad by Clive Sinclair himself when he wrote a letter to the company asking for a free one.</p>
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		<title>By: kwijibo</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2006/12/11/diy-russian-el-display/comment-page-1/#comment-23767</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kwijibo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 14:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[sorry, it is a homemade sinclair. it is probably closer to a zx80 or zx81 than a spectrum though, as the zx80 was designed with standard ttl stuff, the spectrum and &#039;81 had custom ics. Spectrum had a colour display too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry, it is a homemade sinclair. it is probably closer to a zx80 or zx81 than a spectrum though, as the zx80 was designed with standard ttl stuff, the spectrum and &#8217;81 had custom ics. Spectrum had a colour display too.</p>
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		<title>By: Konstantin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Konstantin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 12:15:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[he used the z80 (CPU) and built a simple version of Sinclair (btw, the most popular variant is Spectrum, not zx80)&lt;br&gt;&quot;Although it&#039;s not a work of art, I can consider myself cooler than the creator of first Apple: not only have I put together a Sinclair, but a monitor for it as well&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;wonder if he&#039;ll build a tape deck to load games onto this bad boy :D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>he used the z80 (CPU) and built a simple version of Sinclair (btw, the most popular variant is Spectrum, not zx80)<br />&#8220;Although it&#8217;s not a work of art, I can consider myself cooler than the creator of first Apple: not only have I put together a Sinclair, but a monitor for it as well&#8221;</p>
<p>wonder if he&#8217;ll build a tape deck to load games onto this bad boy :D</p>
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		<title>By: neoxide</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neoxide]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 02:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It didn&#039;t look like anything like a ZX80, but my best friend says it&#039;s just hacked up with a russian keyboard.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Does anyone actually own one? ;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It didn&#8217;t look like anything like a ZX80, but my best friend says it&#8217;s just hacked up with a russian keyboard.</p>
<p>Does anyone actually own one? ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 01:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[you can obtain various radioactive materials on ebay the last time i checked, i&#039;ve even seen radium paint available, just ahve to watch it for a while. There are also pots and dishes and such stuff available in the US made in the 30&#039;s and 40&#039;s that have radium in them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you can obtain various radioactive materials on ebay the last time i checked, i&#8217;ve even seen radium paint available, just ahve to watch it for a while. There are also pots and dishes and such stuff available in the US made in the 30&#8242;s and 40&#8242;s that have radium in them.</p>
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		<title>By: Shadyman</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2006/12/11/diy-russian-el-display/comment-page-1/#comment-23763</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shadyman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Only problem is most North American street signs use a 3M product for the reflector, which uses tiny glass fragments. A little less glow in our day, I guess.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only problem is most North American street signs use a 3M product for the reflector, which uses tiny glass fragments. A little less glow in our day, I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: kwijibo</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2006/12/11/diy-russian-el-display/comment-page-1/#comment-23762</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kwijibo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[sinclair zx80, not z80 (but the zx80 did have a z80).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_ZX80&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_ZX80&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sinclair zx80, not z80 (but the zx80 did have a z80).</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_ZX80" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_ZX80</a></p>
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		<title>By: Konstantin</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2006/12/11/diy-russian-el-display/comment-page-1/#comment-23761</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Konstantin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Darkcobra:&lt;br&gt;1) like lonas said, this guy found a glo-in-the dark figurine &quot;from grandma&#039;s sideboard&quot;. Apparently those were popular back when people weren&#039;t afraid of radiation. I&#039;ve heard that you can find some of these &quot;tinted&quot; artefacts in US as well. He also says that some old handwatches with glowing background also have the same radioactive material. He mentions that the radiation is only alpha, not gamma, and these levels are easily blocked with glass behind which they&#039;re hidden.&lt;br&gt;2) &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroluminescence&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroluminescence&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;3) IIRC, those salts have color&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobalt_(color&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobalt_(color&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadmium_pigments&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadmium_pigments&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darkcobra:<br />1) like lonas said, this guy found a glo-in-the dark figurine &#8220;from grandma&#8217;s sideboard&#8221;. Apparently those were popular back when people weren&#8217;t afraid of radiation. I&#8217;ve heard that you can find some of these &#8220;tinted&#8221; artefacts in US as well. He also says that some old handwatches with glowing background also have the same radioactive material. He mentions that the radiation is only alpha, not gamma, and these levels are easily blocked with glass behind which they&#8217;re hidden.<br />2) <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroluminescence" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroluminescence</a></p>
<p>3) IIRC, those salts have color<br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobalt_(color" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobalt_(color</a>)<br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadmium_pigments" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadmium_pigments</a></p>
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		<title>By: lonas</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lonas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 14:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From what i understand, he pulled the radium from a glowing &#039;sideboard toy&#039;, evidently in russia they have radioactive knick-knacks.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The radium excites the compound they pulled from the sign, which is some sort of &#039;glow-in-the-dark&#039; material rather than something just shiny.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From what i understand, he pulled the radium from a glowing &#8216;sideboard toy&#8217;, evidently in russia they have radioactive knick-knacks.</p>
<p>The radium excites the compound they pulled from the sign, which is some sort of &#8216;glow-in-the-dark&#8217; material rather than something just shiny.</p>
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		<title>By: Darkcobra</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Darkcobra]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 10:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s pretty wild - and the translation quite amusing. :)  But there are a few things I don&#039;t understand, if someone can explain:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1) After re-reading several times, it appears that the road sign is only a source of some luminescent compound, and doesn&#039;t actually contain radium.  The author just happened to have a vial of radium salts handy!  (The vial is shown in the original article, and the contents don&#039;t resemble the material extracted from the sign.)  So where the heck do you get that?  Do they just sell that kind of thing over-the-counter in Russia??&lt;br&gt;2) How does applying electricity to this paint cause it to glow brighter?  It can&#039;t make the radium *more* radioactive, can it?  Or does it directly stimulate the luminescent compound - in which case, why is the radium needed at all?&lt;br&gt;3) Mentioned is the possibility of making an RGB display from what I assume are radioactive &quot;salts of cobalt, cadmium or osmium&quot;.  But the radioactive material only charges the luminescent compound, so using a different radioactive material wouldn&#039;t change the color; you&#039;d need to change the luminescent compound instead.  I don&#039;t understand the need to steal road signs or obtain exotic nuclear materials, as luminescent powders are relatively cheap and freely available in a variety of colors.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s pretty wild &#8211; and the translation quite amusing. :)  But there are a few things I don&#8217;t understand, if someone can explain:</p>
<p>1) After re-reading several times, it appears that the road sign is only a source of some luminescent compound, and doesn&#8217;t actually contain radium.  The author just happened to have a vial of radium salts handy!  (The vial is shown in the original article, and the contents don&#8217;t resemble the material extracted from the sign.)  So where the heck do you get that?  Do they just sell that kind of thing over-the-counter in Russia??<br />2) How does applying electricity to this paint cause it to glow brighter?  It can&#8217;t make the radium *more* radioactive, can it?  Or does it directly stimulate the luminescent compound &#8211; in which case, why is the radium needed at all?<br />3) Mentioned is the possibility of making an RGB display from what I assume are radioactive &#8220;salts of cobalt, cadmium or osmium&#8221;.  But the radioactive material only charges the luminescent compound, so using a different radioactive material wouldn&#8217;t change the color; you&#8217;d need to change the luminescent compound instead.  I don&#8217;t understand the need to steal road signs or obtain exotic nuclear materials, as luminescent powders are relatively cheap and freely available in a variety of colors.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 09:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Half of those pictures look like they are from a &quot;How to Cook Crystal Meth&quot; book. LOL]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Half of those pictures look like they are from a &#8220;How to Cook Crystal Meth&#8221; book. LOL</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 07:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[neat, now whare do i keep my radioactive street signs, oh, here they are, under my desk!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>neat, now whare do i keep my radioactive street signs, oh, here they are, under my desk!</p>
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		<title>By: weirdguy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[weirdguy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 06:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Should&#039;ve used this as the main picture&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sheppard.ru/articles/fe/radiation/hcl-and-glass-reaction.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.sheppard.ru/articles/fe/radiation/hcl-and-glass-reaction.jpg&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should&#8217;ve used this as the main picture<br /><a href="http://www.sheppard.ru/articles/fe/radiation/hcl-and-glass-reaction.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.sheppard.ru/articles/fe/radiation/hcl-and-glass-reaction.jpg</a></p>
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