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		<title>By: panasonickx</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 23:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: intasop</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 21:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: PKM</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2007/03/01/diy-dvorak-keyboards/comment-page-1/#comment-25145</link>
		<dc:creator>PKM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@25: i would be careful with claiming qwerty slows modern typists down- there&#039;s some truth to it but it&#039;s not the full story.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;qwerty was designed to keep pair of letters frequently typed in succession (digraphs) apart, because this did reduce jamming on the typewriter, but it wasn&#039;t intended to slow typists down.  pre-qwerty, typewriters had alphabetic layouts, which were pretty bad from a frequency-compensation point of view.  as it turns out, qwerty isn&#039;t that bad because it is possible to type more quickly when frequently alternating hands than it is when using one hand for a number of letters in succession (all else being equal).  the high rate of hand alternation using qwerty means it is actually significantly better than a random key layout.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;opinion is divided on whether the dvorak is much better than qwerty. the general consensus is it allows a moderate improvement in speed when fully trained, and significantly reduces finger movement with the associated decrease in rsi/uld, but some studies have found qwerty to be so entrenched that users take a very long time to equal their qwerty typing speed on dvorak even after extensive training.  the increase in speed is generally not thought to be worth the trouble of retraining staff, as few computer workers spend a large portion of their time typing prose at maximum speed.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;(my comp sci dissertation is on keyboards, I&#039;ve spent more time than most people would want to reading about this stuff)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@25: i would be careful with claiming qwerty slows modern typists down- there&#8217;s some truth to it but it&#8217;s not the full story.</p>
<p>qwerty was designed to keep pair of letters frequently typed in succession (digraphs) apart, because this did reduce jamming on the typewriter, but it wasn&#8217;t intended to slow typists down.  pre-qwerty, typewriters had alphabetic layouts, which were pretty bad from a frequency-compensation point of view.  as it turns out, qwerty isn&#8217;t that bad because it is possible to type more quickly when frequently alternating hands than it is when using one hand for a number of letters in succession (all else being equal).  the high rate of hand alternation using qwerty means it is actually significantly better than a random key layout.  </p>
<p>opinion is divided on whether the dvorak is much better than qwerty. the general consensus is it allows a moderate improvement in speed when fully trained, and significantly reduces finger movement with the associated decrease in rsi/uld, but some studies have found qwerty to be so entrenched that users take a very long time to equal their qwerty typing speed on dvorak even after extensive training.  the increase in speed is generally not thought to be worth the trouble of retraining staff, as few computer workers spend a large portion of their time typing prose at maximum speed.</p>
<p>(my comp sci dissertation is on keyboards, I&#8217;ve spent more time than most people would want to reading about this stuff)</p>
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		<title>By: nex</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2007/03/01/diy-dvorak-keyboards/comment-page-1/#comment-25144</link>
		<dc:creator>nex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2007 22:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the qwerty keyboard was created to slow down typing - because old typewriters jammed too easily.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is bullshit. Mechanical typewriters do indeed jam easily, and they jam most easily when two keys in close proximity are pressed in quick succession. Therefore, one of the foremost considerations that determined the QWERTY layout was to place keys that are often used in sequence as far apart as possible. Other considerations that have an impact on typing speed were given lower priorities. Therefore, the QWERTY layout is not exactly conductive to quick typing on machines that don&#039;t have the jamming problem.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So, this layout was created in a way that slows modern typists down. BUT it was not specifically made with the goal to slow down typists -- big difference. It was made to speed typing up, because on a mechanical typewriter, even though you&#039;re not super-fast with QWERTY, you would be even slower if you got jams all the time, or if you had to be extra-extra careful to avoid jams.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the qwerty keyboard was created to slow down typing &#8211; because old typewriters jammed too easily.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is bullshit. Mechanical typewriters do indeed jam easily, and they jam most easily when two keys in close proximity are pressed in quick succession. Therefore, one of the foremost considerations that determined the QWERTY layout was to place keys that are often used in sequence as far apart as possible. Other considerations that have an impact on typing speed were given lower priorities. Therefore, the QWERTY layout is not exactly conductive to quick typing on machines that don&#8217;t have the jamming problem.</p>
<p>So, this layout was created in a way that slows modern typists down. BUT it was not specifically made with the goal to slow down typists &#8212; big difference. It was made to speed typing up, because on a mechanical typewriter, even though you&#8217;re not super-fast with QWERTY, you would be even slower if you got jams all the time, or if you had to be extra-extra careful to avoid jams.</p>
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		<title>By: blag</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2007/03/01/diy-dvorak-keyboards/comment-page-1/#comment-25143</link>
		<dc:creator>blag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 18:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: 22:  I think the hack aspect of this is just having the audacity to pop off your keycaps and rearrange them to suit your new charmap.  Nothing particularly challenging, but it&#039;s cool from a &quot;hey, this guy really likes his charmap&quot; P.O.V.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Topical bit:  I&#039;m typing this on my PowerBook, which uses the Dvorak layout.  I popped my keys off and rearranged them to suit.  It makes it really amusing when people want to borrow my computer.  I credit Dvorak with getting rid of the wrist pain I used to have typing (I&#039;m a programmer, so my ability to type is part of my stock in trade).  On the downside, it did take me months to get good at it (I used no tutor program), and going back to a Dvorak layout isn&#039;t particularly easy.  I&#039;m not a really natural typist, though, so YMMV.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: 22:  I think the hack aspect of this is just having the audacity to pop off your keycaps and rearrange them to suit your new charmap.  Nothing particularly challenging, but it&#8217;s cool from a &#8220;hey, this guy really likes his charmap&#8221; P.O.V.</p>
<p>Topical bit:  I&#8217;m typing this on my PowerBook, which uses the Dvorak layout.  I popped my keys off and rearranged them to suit.  It makes it really amusing when people want to borrow my computer.  I credit Dvorak with getting rid of the wrist pain I used to have typing (I&#8217;m a programmer, so my ability to type is part of my stock in trade).  On the downside, it did take me months to get good at it (I used no tutor program), and going back to a Dvorak layout isn&#8217;t particularly easy.  I&#8217;m not a really natural typist, though, so YMMV.</p>
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		<title>By: srilyk</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2007/03/01/diy-dvorak-keyboards/comment-page-1/#comment-25142</link>
		<dc:creator>srilyk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 04:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@17 - Heck, let&#039;s just get a bill passed that says we&#039;ll switch to metric, pioneer the dvorak, and completely switch to electric transportation by the year 2010...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Actually, the US is the loser when it comes to metric - they tried, at first, around when Canada made the swap... but gave up. My dad was growing up in Canada at the time, so he remembers the whole deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@17 &#8211; Heck, let&#8217;s just get a bill passed that says we&#8217;ll switch to metric, pioneer the dvorak, and completely switch to electric transportation by the year 2010&#8230;</p>
<p>Actually, the US is the loser when it comes to metric &#8211; they tried, at first, around when Canada made the swap&#8230; but gave up. My dad was growing up in Canada at the time, so he remembers the whole deal.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2007/03/01/diy-dvorak-keyboards/comment-page-1/#comment-25141</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 07:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a hack? This is more like a computer option i use a Dvorak everyday on my PB G4 and I use qwerty at school its not hard to use both kinds</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a hack? This is more like a computer option i use a Dvorak everyday on my PB G4 and I use qwerty at school its not hard to use both kinds</p>
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		<title>By: dr.sound</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2007/03/01/diy-dvorak-keyboards/comment-page-1/#comment-25140</link>
		<dc:creator>dr.sound</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 07:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Currently using dvorak, this is great.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Get stamina typing tutor to learn, it&#039;s free, took me about a week to be able to touch type it, a bit longer to start getting up to speed. I like it, you can just feel how more efficent it is, and i know no one is using my comuputer, since my keyboard still has qwerty keys. It&#039;s like another layer of security. Great find.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Currently using dvorak, this is great.</p>
<p>Get stamina typing tutor to learn, it&#8217;s free, took me about a week to be able to touch type it, a bit longer to start getting up to speed. I like it, you can just feel how more efficent it is, and i know no one is using my comuputer, since my keyboard still has qwerty keys. It&#8217;s like another layer of security. Great find.</p>
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		<title>By: Inventbot 5000</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2007/03/01/diy-dvorak-keyboards/comment-page-1/#comment-25139</link>
		<dc:creator>Inventbot 5000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 22:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read this and switched right then. It&#039;s been 2 days, still hard but easier than I thought. Should take me a couple of weeks tops.</description>
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		<title>By: pocketbrain</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2007/03/01/diy-dvorak-keyboards/comment-page-1/#comment-25138</link>
		<dc:creator>pocketbrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 03:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason Dvorak is so good to your hands is that your fingers do not travel nearly as much when you type with it.  Also, you are forced to stretch your pinky fingers unnaturally far less often.  This results in a much lower RSI and elevated comfort for the typist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason Dvorak is so good to your hands is that your fingers do not travel nearly as much when you type with it.  Also, you are forced to stretch your pinky fingers unnaturally far less often.  This results in a much lower RSI and elevated comfort for the typist.</p>
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		<title>By: bobdole</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2007/03/01/diy-dvorak-keyboards/comment-page-1/#comment-25137</link>
		<dc:creator>bobdole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 05:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really, the people with the most to gain from switching to dvorak are those who use the 3-finger-ninja-hunt-and-peck method... you&#039;ll pretty much be forced to touch-type in dvorak.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;debian systems have an optional package called dvorak-tutor (I think) in the games section of the free repository. after 3 or 4 sessions, I was able to slowly touch type.. within 1mo I was completely proficient... (keep in mind it took me well over a year to learn qwerty that well.)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;when I switched to dvorak almost 10 years ago I had no problem with the cut, copy, paste shortcuts... in every single windows app (and a lot of *nix and mac ones) shift-del, ctrl-ins, shift ins, still work for that.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s really worth trying, it&#039;s remarkably logical and easy to learn.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;on a side note, I really think we should have more model m hacks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really, the people with the most to gain from switching to dvorak are those who use the 3-finger-ninja-hunt-and-peck method&#8230; you&#8217;ll pretty much be forced to touch-type in dvorak.</p>
<p>debian systems have an optional package called dvorak-tutor (I think) in the games section of the free repository. after 3 or 4 sessions, I was able to slowly touch type.. within 1mo I was completely proficient&#8230; (keep in mind it took me well over a year to learn qwerty that well.)</p>
<p>when I switched to dvorak almost 10 years ago I had no problem with the cut, copy, paste shortcuts&#8230; in every single windows app (and a lot of *nix and mac ones) shift-del, ctrl-ins, shift ins, still work for that.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s really worth trying, it&#8217;s remarkably logical and easy to learn.</p>
<p>on a side note, I really think we should have more model m hacks.</p>
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		<title>By: Abbie Gonzalez</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2007/03/01/diy-dvorak-keyboards/comment-page-1/#comment-25136</link>
		<dc:creator>Abbie Gonzalez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 03:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I switched completely to dvorak last year(I relearned the shortcuts, no sense in keeping the qwerty eqiv.), and got 5 of my friends to do the same. They all love it! I know that all the mac models I have played with are easy to switch to dvorak (I have a dvorak ibook). You can search Flickr for some dvorak macs :).&lt;br&gt;I say that there is no sense in keeping the old shortcut locations, because they were designed with the qwerty in mind. ctrl+v has no attachment to paste, except that it was next to ctrl+c. &lt;br&gt;Windows does have problems switching layouts after an install: the login will remain qwerty. There are additional steps needed to change that.&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I switched completely to dvorak last year(I relearned the shortcuts, no sense in keeping the qwerty eqiv.), and got 5 of my friends to do the same. They all love it! I know that all the mac models I have played with are easy to switch to dvorak (I have a dvorak ibook). You can search Flickr for some dvorak macs :).<br />I say that there is no sense in keeping the old shortcut locations, because they were designed with the qwerty in mind. ctrl+v has no attachment to paste, except that it was next to ctrl+c. <br />Windows does have problems switching layouts after an install: the login will remain qwerty. There are additional steps needed to change that.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Broster</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2007/03/01/diy-dvorak-keyboards/comment-page-1/#comment-25135</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Broster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 02:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are also one-handed versions of the Dvorak layout, which are remarkably useful for two-handed people because it allows you to keep one hand on the mouse all the time. This makes the mouse into a *good* way of navigating (whereas conventionally, moving the hand to the mouse and back again is always a burden). &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Here&#039;s one I made earlier... &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.broster.co.uk/keyboard.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.broster.co.uk/keyboard.html&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are also one-handed versions of the Dvorak layout, which are remarkably useful for two-handed people because it allows you to keep one hand on the mouse all the time. This makes the mouse into a *good* way of navigating (whereas conventionally, moving the hand to the mouse and back again is always a burden). </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s one I made earlier&#8230; <a href="http://www.broster.co.uk/keyboard.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.broster.co.uk/keyboard.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: joelpt</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2007/03/01/diy-dvorak-keyboards/comment-page-1/#comment-25134</link>
		<dc:creator>joelpt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 00:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fry-kun: Check out the Colemak keyboard layout at &lt;a href=&quot;http://colemak.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://colemak.com&lt;/a&gt;. It improves upon QWERTY and Dvorak in a number of ways, including keeping the ZXCV keys in the QWERTY key positions for the very reasons you mention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fry-kun: Check out the Colemak keyboard layout at <a href="http://colemak.com" rel="nofollow">http://colemak.com</a>. It improves upon QWERTY and Dvorak in a number of ways, including keeping the ZXCV keys in the QWERTY key positions for the very reasons you mention.</p>
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		<title>By: hal hockersmith</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2007/03/01/diy-dvorak-keyboards/comment-page-1/#comment-25133</link>
		<dc:creator>hal hockersmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 00:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@9 Many places can be found to have the qwerty shortcuts when you do control but dovark for other purposes. Mac has this built in and windows has addons.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;try &lt;a href=&quot;http://send2adtc.googlepages.com/dvqwmod&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://send2adtc.googlepages.com/dvqwmod&lt;/a&gt; for a go at the combo mode.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@9 Many places can be found to have the qwerty shortcuts when you do control but dovark for other purposes. Mac has this built in and windows has addons.</p>
<p>try <a href="http://send2adtc.googlepages.com/dvqwmod" rel="nofollow">http://send2adtc.googlepages.com/dvqwmod</a> for a go at the combo mode.</p>
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