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		<title>By: Ronnie</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2007/03/04/ground-up-diy-laptop/comment-page-2/#comment-82566</link>
		<dc:creator>Ronnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He made a version 2 with eye of the tiger theme song lager screen AND PONG!
chrisfenton.com/diy-laptop-v2</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He made a version 2 with eye of the tiger theme song lager screen AND PONG!<br />
chrisfenton.com/diy-laptop-v2</p>
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		<title>By: parallax-stamp-user</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2007/03/04/ground-up-diy-laptop/comment-page-2/#comment-72072</link>
		<dc:creator>parallax-stamp-user</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fANTASTIC project and job well done, a real accomplishment. Nice work on the box and use of materials at hand. I hope to see more from your DIY laptop and projects. I liked the web site too. Excellent, and give you an A++ overall.</description>
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		<title>By: Rohit Mahajan</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2007/03/04/ground-up-diy-laptop/comment-page-2/#comment-25244</link>
		<dc:creator>Rohit Mahajan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2007 19:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, steve, why don&#039;t you point us to one of your projects? Something 100x better than this &#039;crap&#039; as you call it. In case your &#039;ma&#039; didn&#039;t tell you, referring to someone&#039;s efforts with these derogatory terms is rude. Be sure, when, and &#039;IF&#039; you ever have the great honour of being mentioned on hackaday....you will have quite an audience. You&#039;ll be lucky if they are only ten times as nasty...&lt;br&gt;Chris, excellent, really excellent...what are you planning to use it for now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, steve, why don&#8217;t you point us to one of your projects? Something 100x better than this &#8216;crap&#8217; as you call it. In case your &#8216;ma&#8217; didn&#8217;t tell you, referring to someone&#8217;s efforts with these derogatory terms is rude. Be sure, when, and &#8216;IF&#8217; you ever have the great honour of being mentioned on hackaday&#8230;.you will have quite an audience. You&#8217;ll be lucky if they are only ten times as nasty&#8230;<br />Chris, excellent, really excellent&#8230;what are you planning to use it for now?</p>
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		<title>By: Forrest</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2007/03/04/ground-up-diy-laptop/comment-page-2/#comment-25243</link>
		<dc:creator>Forrest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2007 06:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great job - I&#039;m sure it wasn&#039;t easy writing your own language in Picaxe Basic. It would be helpful if you could post a simple schematic showing how it&#039;s connected - so we can build our own. Thanks&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;For your next project, you may want to take a look at the Parallax Propeller - a 32 bit, 8 core microcontroller that can drive composite video, VGA, keyboard and mouse using nothing more than a handful of resistors. More info here &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.parallax.com/propeller/index.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.parallax.com/propeller/index.asp&lt;/a&gt; and here&#039;s a message thread discussing FemtoBasic - an interpreted Basic that uses most of those devices listed above and can read/write from a SD card &lt;a href=&quot;http://forums.parallax.com/forums/default.aspx?f=25&amp;m=173975&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://forums.parallax.com/forums/default.aspx?f=25&amp;m=173975&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great job &#8211; I&#8217;m sure it wasn&#8217;t easy writing your own language in Picaxe Basic. It would be helpful if you could post a simple schematic showing how it&#8217;s connected &#8211; so we can build our own. Thanks</p>
<p>For your next project, you may want to take a look at the Parallax Propeller &#8211; a 32 bit, 8 core microcontroller that can drive composite video, VGA, keyboard and mouse using nothing more than a handful of resistors. More info here <a href="http://www.parallax.com/propeller/index.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.parallax.com/propeller/index.asp</a> and here&#8217;s a message thread discussing FemtoBasic &#8211; an interpreted Basic that uses most of those devices listed above and can read/write from a SD card <a href="http://forums.parallax.com/forums/default.aspx?f=25&#038;m=173975" rel="nofollow">http://forums.parallax.com/forums/default.aspx?f=25&#038;m=173975</a></p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2007/03/04/ground-up-diy-laptop/comment-page-2/#comment-25242</link>
		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 17:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>come on guys this is utter rubbish and you all know it stop makeing excuses</description>
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		<title>By: MRE</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2007/03/04/ground-up-diy-laptop/comment-page-2/#comment-25241</link>
		<dc:creator>MRE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 09:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>anoter alternatve the ax would be he propeller chip. easy support for keyboard, mouse, sound, and analog video out (classic PS1 lcd mod)... with loads of processing power to spare.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The main point here that the non supporters miss is that it is not about making a pretty laptop. Its about writing your own compiler and having a system to test/practice on. The best way to learn a language is to write a compiler for it. &quot;i made my ds run twice as fast with just three parts.&quot; is not nearly as impressive on your ee-resume as &quot;i built a micro-controller circuit, added keyboard and display functionality, then wrote my own language compiler for it that runs directly on the hardware with file editer/loader/saver tools.  Here is example code for pong written in chris+ ...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anoter alternatve the ax would be he propeller chip. easy support for keyboard, mouse, sound, and analog video out (classic PS1 lcd mod)&#8230; with loads of processing power to spare.</p>
<p>The main point here that the non supporters miss is that it is not about making a pretty laptop. Its about writing your own compiler and having a system to test/practice on. The best way to learn a language is to write a compiler for it. &#8220;i made my ds run twice as fast with just three parts.&#8221; is not nearly as impressive on your ee-resume as &#8220;i built a micro-controller circuit, added keyboard and display functionality, then wrote my own language compiler for it that runs directly on the hardware with file editer/loader/saver tools.  Here is example code for pong written in chris+ &#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2007/03/04/ground-up-diy-laptop/comment-page-2/#comment-25240</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 05:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good job Chris.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Christopher Fenton</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2007/03/04/ground-up-diy-laptop/comment-page-2/#comment-25239</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Fenton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 09:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Using a real board like a Gumstix or something kind of takes the fun out of it. I&#039;d like to stick to microcontrollers, or possibly an FPGA with a custom processor. My main constraints really were monetary on this one, though, as I actually had the Picaxe and memory lying around my apartment already. Most microcontrollers need expensive programmers and things, and this one only needed 3 wires going to a serial port, so the slowness was acceptable for most things I use these for. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It really would be fun to have kids build something like this for an intro computer architecture class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Using a real board like a Gumstix or something kind of takes the fun out of it. I&#8217;d like to stick to microcontrollers, or possibly an FPGA with a custom processor. My main constraints really were monetary on this one, though, as I actually had the Picaxe and memory lying around my apartment already. Most microcontrollers need expensive programmers and things, and this one only needed 3 wires going to a serial port, so the slowness was acceptable for most things I use these for. </p>
<p>It really would be fun to have kids build something like this for an intro computer architecture class.</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2007/03/04/ground-up-diy-laptop/comment-page-2/#comment-25238</link>
		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 03:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>at least it will not need an anti-virus</description>
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		<title>By: silic0re</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2007/03/04/ground-up-diy-laptop/comment-page-2/#comment-25237</link>
		<dc:creator>silic0re</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 23:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i completely agree with everyone&#039;s comments that this is a really interesting project, and wish the creator good luck in continuing it!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;going along the lines of the above comment, i know that one of the goals of this project was to be low-cost -- but if you could ever get your hands on a gumstix, or, potentially a SNAP ( http:/www.imsys.se ), then you could have something with a huge improvement in functionality and interfaces that you could expand on.  I don&#039;t think either the gumstix or SNAP have a straight-forward LCD or keyboard interface, and you could surely add an SD/MMC card without too much trouble.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That being said, I think I like this project far more than just using one of those off-the-shelf solutions for &#039;functionality&#039;.  There&#039;s something really to be said about building your own system at the board level, and using microcontrollers to do it at that!  If anything, maybe you should just set aside all the suggestions for &#039;making it more functional&#039; and start to &quot;downgrade&quot;.  Make your own 3-bit CPU out of 74xx&#039;s on a big project board, and add a ton of led&#039;s on the bus.  That would be too cool!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i completely agree with everyone&#8217;s comments that this is a really interesting project, and wish the creator good luck in continuing it!</p>
<p>going along the lines of the above comment, i know that one of the goals of this project was to be low-cost &#8212; but if you could ever get your hands on a gumstix, or, potentially a SNAP ( http:/www.imsys.se ), then you could have something with a huge improvement in functionality and interfaces that you could expand on.  I don&#8217;t think either the gumstix or SNAP have a straight-forward LCD or keyboard interface, and you could surely add an SD/MMC card without too much trouble.</p>
<p>That being said, I think I like this project far more than just using one of those off-the-shelf solutions for &#8216;functionality&#8217;.  There&#8217;s something really to be said about building your own system at the board level, and using microcontrollers to do it at that!  If anything, maybe you should just set aside all the suggestions for &#8216;making it more functional&#8217; and start to &#8220;downgrade&#8221;.  Make your own 3-bit CPU out of 74xx&#8217;s on a big project board, and add a ton of led&#8217;s on the bus.  That would be too cool!</p>
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		<title>By: THE PAGAN WOLF</title>
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		<dc:creator>THE PAGAN WOLF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 16:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do have some recommendations for those who want to go into that direction. These are not just for the creator of that DIY laptop but also for companies and right about anyone who wants to give it a go. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I find that what was done in that project comes close to what I would want to see in a laptop that one could do from the ground up let me tell you what I see that I like;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1) It&#039;s low cost.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;2) It&#039;s low-power consumption and the batteries are generic (No ridiculously expensive batteries. When are laptop companies going to learn that?)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;3) It&#039;s got the basics input-output. Crude, but no different than say some of the earlier electronic word processors that Radio Shack used to have.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now, here are my suggestions to IMPROVE it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1) Get something that&#039;s a little more powerful than the current micro-controller. There are many embedded systems out-there that carry more bang for your buck&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Just three examples...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jkmicro.com/products/v25.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.jkmicro.com/products/v25.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rabbitsemiconductor.com/products/SingleBoards/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.rabbitsemiconductor.com/products/SingleBoards/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And last but not least...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://gumstix.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://gumstix.org/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;These will give you the extra &quot;oomph&quot; that you would seek and would carry support for a larger LCD and even include ethernet and audio.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;2) Stick to off-the-shelf components. You will save a bundle in prototyping and hours of head-aches in trying to figure out how to make it work.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;3) Use generic chipsets. That way it can be used with almost any of the major Operating Systems. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;4) Stick to a modular format. That way not only one can customize their lappy as they like, they also can also fix it themselves just by replacing a component.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Other than that? Use your imagination.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;TPW&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do have some recommendations for those who want to go into that direction. These are not just for the creator of that DIY laptop but also for companies and right about anyone who wants to give it a go. </p>
<p>I find that what was done in that project comes close to what I would want to see in a laptop that one could do from the ground up let me tell you what I see that I like;</p>
<p>1) It&#8217;s low cost.</p>
<p>2) It&#8217;s low-power consumption and the batteries are generic (No ridiculously expensive batteries. When are laptop companies going to learn that?)</p>
<p>3) It&#8217;s got the basics input-output. Crude, but no different than say some of the earlier electronic word processors that Radio Shack used to have.</p>
<p>Now, here are my suggestions to IMPROVE it.</p>
<p>1) Get something that&#8217;s a little more powerful than the current micro-controller. There are many embedded systems out-there that carry more bang for your buck</p>
<p>Just three examples&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.jkmicro.com/products/v25.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.jkmicro.com/products/v25.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.rabbitsemiconductor.com/products/SingleBoards/" rel="nofollow">http://www.rabbitsemiconductor.com/products/SingleBoards/</a></p>
<p>And last but not least&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://gumstix.org/" rel="nofollow">http://gumstix.org/</a></p>
<p>These will give you the extra &#8220;oomph&#8221; that you would seek and would carry support for a larger LCD and even include ethernet and audio.</p>
<p>2) Stick to off-the-shelf components. You will save a bundle in prototyping and hours of head-aches in trying to figure out how to make it work.</p>
<p>3) Use generic chipsets. That way it can be used with almost any of the major Operating Systems. </p>
<p>4) Stick to a modular format. That way not only one can customize their lappy as they like, they also can also fix it themselves just by replacing a component.</p>
<p>Other than that? Use your imagination.</p>
<p>TPW</p>
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		<title>By: PKM</title>
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		<dc:creator>PKM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 14:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is a brilliant hack, i&#039;m suitably impressed.  i&#039;ve considered stuff like this after having lectures on computer design, compiler construction, digital electronics etc.. did you write the compiler in picaxe machine code? because that sounds like a whole new level of hardcore :)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I guess it would make the interface more complex but i&#039;d love to see something like this with a dot matrix phone LCD like the missing competition entry had.  also, given the amount of empty space in the case at the moment, think you could fit the couple of circuit boards and LCD into an old psion case, or even a large mobile phone case?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is a brilliant hack, i&#8217;m suitably impressed.  i&#8217;ve considered stuff like this after having lectures on computer design, compiler construction, digital electronics etc.. did you write the compiler in picaxe machine code? because that sounds like a whole new level of hardcore :)</p>
<p>I guess it would make the interface more complex but i&#8217;d love to see something like this with a dot matrix phone LCD like the missing competition entry had.  also, given the amount of empty space in the case at the moment, think you could fit the couple of circuit boards and LCD into an old psion case, or even a large mobile phone case?</p>
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		<title>By: paul</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2007/03/04/ground-up-diy-laptop/comment-page-2/#comment-25234</link>
		<dc:creator>paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 08:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i cant wait to use my new laptop to get on line and oooohhh wait.</description>
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		<title>By: rmAdmin</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2007/03/04/ground-up-diy-laptop/comment-page-2/#comment-25233</link>
		<dc:creator>rmAdmin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 06:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.  Some people may not be impressed, but I love this stuff to death.  This is the kinda project I&#039;ve always wanted to do, but I lack all the required skills. :&#124; I totally dig this in a retro way though.  (Hence why I still drag my poor Toshiba P90 Laptop to the coffee shop even though I&#039;ve got a brand new dell and a blackberry)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;PS: 256 inst/sec? You rule. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  Some people may not be impressed, but I love this stuff to death.  This is the kinda project I&#8217;ve always wanted to do, but I lack all the required skills. :| I totally dig this in a retro way though.  (Hence why I still drag my poor Toshiba P90 Laptop to the coffee shop even though I&#8217;ve got a brand new dell and a blackberry)</p>
<p>PS: 256 inst/sec? You rule. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 05:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great job Chris.  Pay no attention to the idiots, they have never done anything close to that cool.</description>
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