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		<title>By: vladsinger</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2007/10/30/ion-cooler-30-return-of-inventgeek/comment-page-1/#comment-29251</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vladsinger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 04:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey, is that an Arctic Freezer 7 Pro? I have one of those. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, is that an Arctic Freezer 7 Pro? I have one of those. :)</p>
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		<title>By: MRE</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2007/10/30/ion-cooler-30-return-of-inventgeek/comment-page-1/#comment-29250</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MRE]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 19:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jared..  wow.. 24C...  quite a chunk of change..&lt;br&gt;and more usefull data than that &#039;4 pennies soldered to a copper pipe jammed through the case&#039; job I saw about 4 or 5 months ago.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jared..  wow.. 24C&#8230;  quite a chunk of change..<br />and more usefull data than that &#8217;4 pennies soldered to a copper pipe jammed through the case&#8217; job I saw about 4 or 5 months ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Jared Bouck</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2007/10/30/ion-cooler-30-return-of-inventgeek/comment-page-1/#comment-29249</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jared Bouck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 07:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[MRE:&lt;br&gt;58 - Idle&lt;br&gt;76 - Load, System shut its self down, no final result...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MRE:<br />58 &#8211; Idle<br />76 &#8211; Load, System shut its self down, no final result&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: paragraph</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2007/10/30/ion-cooler-30-return-of-inventgeek/comment-page-1/#comment-29248</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 19:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Umm... didn;t he say in 2.0 that he was concerned about the ramifications of pumping positively charged ions into a computer, and therefore reversed the airflow from intake to exhaust? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m no engineer, but charged anything + electronics = short in my mind.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Anyone got good science to back up how safe this is? I was thinking about making one as an exhaust, but never bothered because i didn&#039;t like how far it had to protrude off of my case just to work :\&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;anywho, benchmarks plz?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Umm&#8230; didn;t he say in 2.0 that he was concerned about the ramifications of pumping positively charged ions into a computer, and therefore reversed the airflow from intake to exhaust? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m no engineer, but charged anything + electronics = short in my mind.</p>
<p>Anyone got good science to back up how safe this is? I was thinking about making one as an exhaust, but never bothered because i didn&#8217;t like how far it had to protrude off of my case just to work :\</p>
<p>anywho, benchmarks plz?</p>
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		<title>By: MRE</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2007/10/30/ion-cooler-30-return-of-inventgeek/comment-page-1/#comment-29247</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MRE]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 17:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[damn.. what really irks me about every single heatsink mod I have seen on h.a.d. or anywhere else for that matter is temperature claims, when no proper baseline is established.&lt;br&gt;with the original heatsink and original fan &quot;...The system idled at about 29C and we peaked at 41C...&quot;&lt;br&gt;With our new fangled better technology &#039;cause we made it in or garage cooling system &quot;...The system idled at about 34C and we peaked at 48C ...  ...While these are warmer than say a gaming enthusiast would prefer this falls well within the standard users system needs.&quot;&lt;br&gt;This data tells us absolutely nothing, unless you also state the temperature set with only the heatsink, no fan, no ion machine.&lt;br&gt;How do I know the heatsink by itself doesn&#039;t perform around 34 to 48C?   For that matter, what was the room temperature?!&lt;br&gt;I know were all hackers, but scientific method people!&lt;br&gt;The cooling effect of a fan or other device can only be quantified when compared to the lack of said device.&lt;br&gt;The only value that matters is &quot;my device lowered the temperature by xx degrees.&quot;&lt;br&gt;effectiveness of a cooling device is not a measured temperature, it is a measured **difference in temperature**]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>damn.. what really irks me about every single heatsink mod I have seen on h.a.d. or anywhere else for that matter is temperature claims, when no proper baseline is established.<br />with the original heatsink and original fan &#8220;&#8230;The system idled at about 29C and we peaked at 41C&#8230;&#8221;<br />With our new fangled better technology &#8217;cause we made it in or garage cooling system &#8220;&#8230;The system idled at about 34C and we peaked at 48C &#8230;  &#8230;While these are warmer than say a gaming enthusiast would prefer this falls well within the standard users system needs.&#8221;<br />This data tells us absolutely nothing, unless you also state the temperature set with only the heatsink, no fan, no ion machine.<br />How do I know the heatsink by itself doesn&#8217;t perform around 34 to 48C?   For that matter, what was the room temperature?!<br />I know were all hackers, but scientific method people!<br />The cooling effect of a fan or other device can only be quantified when compared to the lack of said device.<br />The only value that matters is &#8220;my device lowered the temperature by xx degrees.&#8221;<br />effectiveness of a cooling device is not a measured temperature, it is a measured **difference in temperature**</p>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[matt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 06:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This sounds stupid. I mean, making stuff is awesome, but I would hazard a guess that this thing puts out ozone and NOx, along with the ionized air. The ozone and NOx are bad for you. From the Wikipedia article &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_ioniser&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_ioniser&lt;/a&gt;: &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Even in relatively low concentrations, they can irritate lung tissues, cause chest pain, coughing, throat irritation, and can worsen the conditions of persons suffering from asthma.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sounds stupid. I mean, making stuff is awesome, but I would hazard a guess that this thing puts out ozone and NOx, along with the ionized air. The ozone and NOx are bad for you. From the Wikipedia article <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_ioniser" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_ioniser</a>: </p>
<p>&#8220;Even in relatively low concentrations, they can irritate lung tissues, cause chest pain, coughing, throat irritation, and can worsen the conditions of persons suffering from asthma.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Danny</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2007/10/30/ion-cooler-30-return-of-inventgeek/comment-page-1/#comment-29245</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Danny]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 23:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From wikipedia: &quot;Ionocrafts require many safety precautions due to the high voltage required for their operation and the risk of lung and throat cancer from long term inhalation of their ionised air product.&quot; This thing works by the same principle as the ionic cooler. I spend a lot of time by my computer and I believe that most of you people here do too :) Sounds like it&#039;s not to healthy to breathe the ionized air coming out of a PC using this cooler...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From wikipedia: &#8220;Ionocrafts require many safety precautions due to the high voltage required for their operation and the risk of lung and throat cancer from long term inhalation of their ionised air product.&#8221; This thing works by the same principle as the ionic cooler. I spend a lot of time by my computer and I believe that most of you people here do too :) Sounds like it&#8217;s not to healthy to breathe the ionized air coming out of a PC using this cooler&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ScrappyLaptop</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2007/10/30/ion-cooler-30-return-of-inventgeek/comment-page-1/#comment-29244</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ScrappyLaptop]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry, I meant number 18.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I meant number 18.</p>
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		<title>By: ScrappyLaptop</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ScrappyLaptop]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In reply to #11, yes, he would need to clean it afterwards, but it would definatively show the airflow going *in* and put to rest at least that question.  There would still be the question of how much cooling is actually provided by the ion flow, but that can be tested by cutting the high-v power and then resuming.  And, yes, I am going to build one to check this out and not just gripe and groan, but won&#039;t get it done before the thread gets stale.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to #11, yes, he would need to clean it afterwards, but it would definatively show the airflow going *in* and put to rest at least that question.  There would still be the question of how much cooling is actually provided by the ion flow, but that can be tested by cutting the high-v power and then resuming.  And, yes, I am going to build one to check this out and not just gripe and groan, but won&#8217;t get it done before the thread gets stale.</p>
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		<title>By: ivan256</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ivan256]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 18:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hmm... I think I might build one of these for a water-cooling rig. It seems to me though, that you should be able to use the radiator/heatsink itself as the grounding plate. This probably wouldn&#039;t be desirable when the heatsink is in contact with your CPU, but if it&#039;s not...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Also, does anybody know how dirty these things get, and how frequently you need to clean them? Every piece of dust and grime that goes through this thing is probably going to stick...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm&#8230; I think I might build one of these for a water-cooling rig. It seems to me though, that you should be able to use the radiator/heatsink itself as the grounding plate. This probably wouldn&#8217;t be desirable when the heatsink is in contact with your CPU, but if it&#8217;s not&#8230;</p>
<p>Also, does anybody know how dirty these things get, and how frequently you need to clean them? Every piece of dust and grime that goes through this thing is probably going to stick&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2007/10/30/ion-cooler-30-return-of-inventgeek/comment-page-1/#comment-29241</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 18:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you tried a video with smoke, wouldn&#039;t he smoke particles stick to the +ve electrode? isn&#039;t that how air purifiers work?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you tried a video with smoke, wouldn&#8217;t he smoke particles stick to the +ve electrode? isn&#8217;t that how air purifiers work?</p>
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		<title>By: strider_mt2k</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[strider_mt2k]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[you there, turn out your pockets!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;just as i suspected-ions!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You&#039;re fired!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you there, turn out your pockets!</p>
<p>just as i suspected-ions!</p>
<p>You&#8217;re fired!</p>
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		<title>By: Ross M</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ross M]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 12:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Humm, i love the hackaday geek factor of this, but thats about all. I think you would have to be mad to install this in a system that you might have just paid several thousand dollors for.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Humm, i love the hackaday geek factor of this, but thats about all. I think you would have to be mad to install this in a system that you might have just paid several thousand dollors for.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2007/10/30/ion-cooler-30-return-of-inventgeek/comment-page-1/#comment-29238</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 06:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[great idea, i really don&#039;t like the noise of my coolers... but also i&#039;m not confortable with the idea of having 10kvolts into my cpu. and i&#039;m not talking or afraid of short-circuits in the ion generator! is there any risk of electrostatic discharge, like when, e.g., accidentally i touch a motherboard without grounding my body?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;and YEAH! i wanna see a video with smoke, too ;)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;embraces from Brazil]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great idea, i really don&#8217;t like the noise of my coolers&#8230; but also i&#8217;m not confortable with the idea of having 10kvolts into my cpu. and i&#8217;m not talking or afraid of short-circuits in the ion generator! is there any risk of electrostatic discharge, like when, e.g., accidentally i touch a motherboard without grounding my body?</p>
<p>and YEAH! i wanna see a video with smoke, too ;)</p>
<p>embraces from Brazil</p>
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		<title>By: andrew</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2007/10/30/ion-cooler-30-return-of-inventgeek/comment-page-1/#comment-29237</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[andrew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 02:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Video! With smoke, so we can see the airflow! (pretty please?)&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I second that!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Video! With smoke, so we can see the airflow! (pretty please?)&#8221;</p>
<p>I second that!</p>
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