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	<title>Comments on: Spread Spectrum Freq hopping USB RF modem</title>
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		<title>By: howard stern</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2007/11/17/spread-spectrum-freq-hopping-usb-rf-modem/comment-page-1/#comment-29822</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[howard stern]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 06:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[can you help me find out how to open a cell phone to monitor all the freqs it is using unmute it like a scanner,1900mhz etc,thanks]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>can you help me find out how to open a cell phone to monitor all the freqs it is using unmute it like a scanner,1900mhz etc,thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Zoran</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2007/11/17/spread-spectrum-freq-hopping-usb-rf-modem/comment-page-1/#comment-29821</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Zoran]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The project uses the frequency hopping type of spread spectrum, which means that the transmitter and receiver hop from frequency to frequency after short intervals( 200ms in this project ).  The idea is that if inteference happens, it only happens for short periods of time.  The other advantage is that a fixed frequency isn&#039;t used so many of the same device can be in close proximity.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Wikipedia has an article on the technology:&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency-hopping_spread_spectrum&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency-hopping_spread_spectrum&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The project uses the frequency hopping type of spread spectrum, which means that the transmitter and receiver hop from frequency to frequency after short intervals( 200ms in this project ).  The idea is that if inteference happens, it only happens for short periods of time.  The other advantage is that a fixed frequency isn&#8217;t used so many of the same device can be in close proximity.  </p>
<p>Wikipedia has an article on the technology:<br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency-hopping_spread_spectrum" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency-hopping_spread_spectrum</a></p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2007/11/17/spread-spectrum-freq-hopping-usb-rf-modem/comment-page-1/#comment-29820</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What type of Spread Spectrum technology is this project using?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What type of Spread Spectrum technology is this project using?</p>
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		<title>By: tony</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2007/11/17/spread-spectrum-freq-hopping-usb-rf-modem/comment-page-1/#comment-29819</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tony]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 17:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[how about linux implementation]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how about linux implementation</p>
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		<title>By: Ziggit</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2007/11/17/spread-spectrum-freq-hopping-usb-rf-modem/comment-page-1/#comment-29818</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ziggit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 00:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#7 true, I suppose I was thinking of the store bought ones.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;after some google, it seems that some people built theirs like a Yagi(well a bastard child of a yagi and the circular wave guide), but most seem to be circular wave guides.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;on that note I found:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;a handy yagi calculator:&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.saunalahti.fi/elepal/antenna2calc.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.saunalahti.fi/elepal/antenna2calc.php&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;a circular wave guide calculator:&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.saunalahti.fi/elepal/antenna2.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.saunalahti.fi/elepal/antenna2.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;and then there&#039;s my personal favorite, the cubic quad:&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.softcom.net/users/kd6dks/quad.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.softcom.net/users/kd6dks/quad.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I actually hit a repeater about 30 miles away a cubic quad driven with my 1.5 watt ht.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#7 true, I suppose I was thinking of the store bought ones.  </p>
<p>after some google, it seems that some people built theirs like a Yagi(well a bastard child of a yagi and the circular wave guide), but most seem to be circular wave guides.  </p>
<p>on that note I found:</p>
<p>a handy yagi calculator:<br /><a href="http://www.saunalahti.fi/elepal/antenna2calc.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.saunalahti.fi/elepal/antenna2calc.php</a></p>
<p>a circular wave guide calculator:<br /><a href="http://www.saunalahti.fi/elepal/antenna2.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.saunalahti.fi/elepal/antenna2.html</a></p>
<p>and then there&#8217;s my personal favorite, the cubic quad:<br /><a href="http://www.softcom.net/users/kd6dks/quad.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.softcom.net/users/kd6dks/quad.html</a></p>
<p>I actually hit a repeater about 30 miles away a cubic quad driven with my 1.5 watt ht.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Zoran</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2007/11/17/spread-spectrum-freq-hopping-usb-rf-modem/comment-page-1/#comment-29817</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Zoran]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 23:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi.  This is actually my project.   I was surprised this morning by a huge increase in my website&#039;s traffic.  I thought I was being hacked, untill I realized hackaday was real.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;To answer some questions:&lt;br&gt;1.  The transmitter power is 15dBm which is comparable to off the shelf WiFi components so the range is very comparible.  I&#039;ve seen broadband amplifiers at Digikey for a few dollars that can do up to the limit of 1Watt but they are all very tiny SMT components and I am not advanced enough in my soldering skills for that.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;2. The DP1205 is a dropin module for the XE1205.  At the time I built this this was a regular stocked item at Digikey. Apparently, the sales volume has been low so now it is only a backorder item and minimums apply.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The documentation for the module is here:&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.semtech.com/pc/downloadDocument.do?id=1796&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.semtech.com/pc/downloadDocument.do?id=1796&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The documentation for the XE1205 chipset is here:&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.semtech.com/products/xe1205/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.semtech.com/products/xe1205/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;ll add more links to the website.  As I say on the website, the modules do not contain a protocol layer. That is all done in C on the PIC.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi.  This is actually my project.   I was surprised this morning by a huge increase in my website&#8217;s traffic.  I thought I was being hacked, untill I realized hackaday was real.</p>
<p>To answer some questions:<br />1.  The transmitter power is 15dBm which is comparable to off the shelf WiFi components so the range is very comparible.  I&#8217;ve seen broadband amplifiers at Digikey for a few dollars that can do up to the limit of 1Watt but they are all very tiny SMT components and I am not advanced enough in my soldering skills for that.</p>
<p>2. The DP1205 is a dropin module for the XE1205.  At the time I built this this was a regular stocked item at Digikey. Apparently, the sales volume has been low so now it is only a backorder item and minimums apply.</p>
<p>The documentation for the module is here:<br /><a href="http://www.semtech.com/pc/downloadDocument.do?id=1796" rel="nofollow">http://www.semtech.com/pc/downloadDocument.do?id=1796</a></p>
<p>The documentation for the XE1205 chipset is here:<br /><a href="http://www.semtech.com/products/xe1205/" rel="nofollow">http://www.semtech.com/products/xe1205/</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;ll add more links to the website.  As I say on the website, the modules do not contain a protocol layer. That is all done in C on the PIC.</p>
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		<title>By: alex</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2007/11/17/spread-spectrum-freq-hopping-usb-rf-modem/comment-page-1/#comment-29816</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[alex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 15:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ #5, ziggit&lt;br&gt; very informative! thank you&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Can anyone find the RF module he is using? he says its a &quot;Semtec DP1205 RF module&quot; that uses a Semtec XE1205 transceiver, but i can only find info on the XE1205 chip, not the DP1205 module.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ #5, ziggit<br /> very informative! thank you</p>
<p>Can anyone find the RF module he is using? he says its a &#8220;Semtec DP1205 RF module&#8221; that uses a Semtec XE1205 transceiver, but i can only find info on the XE1205 chip, not the DP1205 module.</p>
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		<title>By: TheKhakinator</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2007/11/17/spread-spectrum-freq-hopping-usb-rf-modem/comment-page-1/#comment-29815</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TheKhakinator]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 13:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@6: You can tune a cantenna to various wavelengths; it&#039;s just the idea of a Cantenna propagated with WiFi so they are generally tuned for 2.4GHz.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@6: You can tune a cantenna to various wavelengths; it&#8217;s just the idea of a Cantenna propagated with WiFi so they are generally tuned for 2.4GHz.</p>
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		<title>By: Ziggit</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2007/11/17/spread-spectrum-freq-hopping-usb-rf-modem/comment-page-1/#comment-29814</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ziggit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 12:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The same applies to the cantenna, which is tuned to around 2.4 GHZ, or 2400 mhz using an antenna at about 1.17 inches.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The same applies to the cantenna, which is tuned to around 2.4 GHZ, or 2400 mhz using an antenna at about 1.17 inches.</p>
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		<title>By: Ziggit</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2007/11/17/spread-spectrum-freq-hopping-usb-rf-modem/comment-page-1/#comment-29813</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ziggit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 11:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#3, that might work for receiving, where any random length of wire can be used for an antenna, but sadly, thsts just not the case for transmitting antennas.  Transmitting antennas must be designed for a specific frequency.  For example a common equation equation for calculating antenna length for your average quarter wave dipole antenna (think rabbit ears) is 234/(freq in mhz)*12= length of antenna in inches.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So once you put that cb antenna on there you would have a horrible swr because a cb antenna is tuned for around 30 mhz and thus would be 93.6 inches long while this project works on the 900 mhz band which wants an antenna at 3.12 inches.  As you can see, that antenna would be considerably too long, and you would run the risk of burning out your transmitter.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;A better method would be to build a directional antenna such as a yagi (like your tv antenna on your roof) or cubic quad.  Although, if I remember correctly, the FCC doesn&#039;t actually care about the transmitter power, but more the effective radiated power, so if you have a 1 watt transmitter, and an antenna with 12db gain (remember: power doubles every 3 db) so thus you would have:   &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1 watt * (2)^(12/3) = 16 watts&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;so basically, you would be out of compliance with the FCC.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;well, just my 2 cents.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;73&#039;s &lt;br&gt;KE5GQS]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#3, that might work for receiving, where any random length of wire can be used for an antenna, but sadly, thsts just not the case for transmitting antennas.  Transmitting antennas must be designed for a specific frequency.  For example a common equation equation for calculating antenna length for your average quarter wave dipole antenna (think rabbit ears) is 234/(freq in mhz)*12= length of antenna in inches.</p>
<p>So once you put that cb antenna on there you would have a horrible swr because a cb antenna is tuned for around 30 mhz and thus would be 93.6 inches long while this project works on the 900 mhz band which wants an antenna at 3.12 inches.  As you can see, that antenna would be considerably too long, and you would run the risk of burning out your transmitter.</p>
<p>A better method would be to build a directional antenna such as a yagi (like your tv antenna on your roof) or cubic quad.  Although, if I remember correctly, the FCC doesn&#8217;t actually care about the transmitter power, but more the effective radiated power, so if you have a 1 watt transmitter, and an antenna with 12db gain (remember: power doubles every 3 db) so thus you would have:   </p>
<p>1 watt * (2)^(12/3) = 16 watts</p>
<p>so basically, you would be out of compliance with the FCC.  </p>
<p>well, just my 2 cents.</p>
<p>73&#8242;s <br />KE5GQS</p>
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		<title>By: tyler</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tyler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 09:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[hmm this looks like just what i&#039;m looking for to use for my computer-controlled lasertag project i&#039;m working on...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;thanks hack-a-day (and mainly to whomever came up with this excellent writeup)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmm this looks like just what i&#8217;m looking for to use for my computer-controlled lasertag project i&#8217;m working on&#8230;</p>
<p>thanks hack-a-day (and mainly to whomever came up with this excellent writeup)</p>
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		<title>By: doc</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[doc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 08:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[there are a few companies that sell really nice antennas specifically for the 900/915mhz ism band one of them is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.hyperlinktech.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.hyperlinktech.com&lt;/a&gt;, another is &lt;a href=&quot;http://shop.defactowireless.com/s.nl/sc.2/category.251/.f&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://shop.defactowireless.com/s.nl/sc.2/category.251/.f&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m sure theres more but heres a few]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there are a few companies that sell really nice antennas specifically for the 900/915mhz ism band one of them is <a href="http://www.hyperlinktech.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.hyperlinktech.com</a>, another is <a href="http://shop.defactowireless.com/s.nl/sc.2/category.251/.f" rel="nofollow">http://shop.defactowireless.com/s.nl/sc.2/category.251/.f</a><br />I&#8217;m sure theres more but heres a few</p>
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		<title>By: chance</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chance]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 08:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[the range on this could be enormous if you only add a off the shelf CB antenna &lt;br&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the range on this could be enormous if you only add a off the shelf CB antenna </p>
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		<title>By: Urza</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2007/11/17/spread-spectrum-freq-hopping-usb-rf-modem/comment-page-1/#comment-29809</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Urza]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 08:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wanna know what the range is on that baby. I&#039;ve actually got a great use in mind if it&#039;s far enough. But it&#039;d have to be better than directional wifi, and I&#039;ve seen claims that a cantenna can give a good 1 mile range.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wanna know what the range is on that baby. I&#8217;ve actually got a great use in mind if it&#8217;s far enough. But it&#8217;d have to be better than directional wifi, and I&#8217;ve seen claims that a cantenna can give a good 1 mile range.</p>
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		<title>By: doc</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2007/11/17/spread-spectrum-freq-hopping-usb-rf-modem/comment-page-1/#comment-29808</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[doc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 07:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve been looking for something like this, great article, however I&#039;d really like to see one that uses OFDM simply for the bandwidth and other benefits it provides. 100kbps is a decent data rate for a diy project, however I&#039;m fairly certain that it could be improved.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been looking for something like this, great article, however I&#8217;d really like to see one that uses OFDM simply for the bandwidth and other benefits it provides. 100kbps is a decent data rate for a diy project, however I&#8217;m fairly certain that it could be improved.</p>
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