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		<title>By: Insteon software</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2007/12/19/silent-x10-mod-cheap-ssr/comment-page-1/#comment-115286</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Insteon software]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 02:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I got into the HA space a while ago and just recently started playing around with the pro software available.  It&#039;s pretty cool stuff and a world better than I could do with scripts like this...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got into the HA space a while ago and just recently started playing around with the pro software available.  It&#8217;s pretty cool stuff and a world better than I could do with scripts like this&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: martin</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2007/12/19/silent-x10-mod-cheap-ssr/comment-page-1/#comment-30420</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[martin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 23:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i want very fast  hacker security for website plz  info for me   tanks martin .w]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i want very fast  hacker security for website plz  info for me   tanks martin .w</p>
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		<title>By: Boyd</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2007/12/19/silent-x10-mod-cheap-ssr/comment-page-1/#comment-30419</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Boyd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 21:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The (outdated) article discuss the multiple types of switches X10 makes including the wall switch, which use the same electronics. I have 480 W of lighting on a single switch in my living room. It&#039;s normal in a lot of houses to have a high load on a single switch. It&#039;s not just a plug-in module they have all sorts of hard wired units. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The updated version of the website that started the blog states that there is a 300W maximum load on this mod. They are using 5 amp SSR&#039;s in many of their mods except the hot water heater mod, where he used a 50 amp. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;ll keep my UL rated relays that control my 480W of incandescent recessed lighting and my 600W transformer (9 amp draw). At least we didn&#039;t start talking about dimmer loads too.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Here&#039;s the updated site for X-10 mods.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://idobartana.com/hakb/index.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://idobartana.com/hakb/index.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The (outdated) article discuss the multiple types of switches X10 makes including the wall switch, which use the same electronics. I have 480 W of lighting on a single switch in my living room. It&#8217;s normal in a lot of houses to have a high load on a single switch. It&#8217;s not just a plug-in module they have all sorts of hard wired units. </p>
<p>The updated version of the website that started the blog states that there is a 300W maximum load on this mod. They are using 5 amp SSR&#8217;s in many of their mods except the hot water heater mod, where he used a 50 amp. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll keep my UL rated relays that control my 480W of incandescent recessed lighting and my 600W transformer (9 amp draw). At least we didn&#8217;t start talking about dimmer loads too.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the updated site for X-10 mods.</p>
<p><a href="http://idobartana.com/hakb/index.htm" rel="nofollow">http://idobartana.com/hakb/index.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: rj</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2007/12/19/silent-x10-mod-cheap-ssr/comment-page-1/#comment-30418</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rj]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 19:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[He&#039;s using a 15 amp TRIAC, with fairly large heat sink. If something fails, it&#039;s not going to be because he plugged in 700W of anything. He&#039;s even using what Teccor calls a &quot;snubberless&quot; triac, which means it deals pretty well with reactive loads. He&#039;s also using a zero-crossing-detecting optoisolator, i.e. what he&#039;s built is _identical_ to a commercial SSR -- just not potted in lots of epoxy.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Furthermore, unlike conventional relays, SSRs won&#039;t fail after N switchings (due to mechanical wear and that it arcs inside the relay every single time you switch with a load). It&#039;s pretty clear to me that the X10 guys used conventional relays because they cost 1/10th as much (and 1/3rd as much as the home-built SSR here), nothing more.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s using a 15 amp TRIAC, with fairly large heat sink. If something fails, it&#8217;s not going to be because he plugged in 700W of anything. He&#8217;s even using what Teccor calls a &#8220;snubberless&#8221; triac, which means it deals pretty well with reactive loads. He&#8217;s also using a zero-crossing-detecting optoisolator, i.e. what he&#8217;s built is _identical_ to a commercial SSR &#8212; just not potted in lots of epoxy.</p>
<p>Furthermore, unlike conventional relays, SSRs won&#8217;t fail after N switchings (due to mechanical wear and that it arcs inside the relay every single time you switch with a load). It&#8217;s pretty clear to me that the X10 guys used conventional relays because they cost 1/10th as much (and 1/3rd as much as the home-built SSR here), nothing more.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucas</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2007/12/19/silent-x10-mod-cheap-ssr/comment-page-1/#comment-30417</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lucas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Solemn article. It make me lost in thoughts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Solemn article. It make me lost in thoughts.</p>
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		<title>By: Chupa</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2007/12/19/silent-x10-mod-cheap-ssr/comment-page-1/#comment-30416</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chupa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 06:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@14,15&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;the X10 modules are for outlets. I dont play with x10 at all so maybe they make some for hardwiring, but I dont know. My questions is what kind of light with a standard plug on it would require 600w, as the article shows how to modify a x10 module for a standard electrical outlet.]]></description>
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<p>the X10 modules are for outlets. I dont play with x10 at all so maybe they make some for hardwiring, but I dont know. My questions is what kind of light with a standard plug on it would require 600w, as the article shows how to modify a x10 module for a standard electrical outlet.</p>
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		<title>By: the_fozz</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2007/12/19/silent-x10-mod-cheap-ssr/comment-page-1/#comment-30415</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[the_fozz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 03:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d hope that if you&#039;re messing with home electronics, and hacking them, no less, that you&#039;d know how to calculate total load and choose the appropriate SSD.  You  could also put a pair of SSD switches in to get the load needed if one wasn&#039;t enough.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d hope that if you&#8217;re messing with home electronics, and hacking them, no less, that you&#8217;d know how to calculate total load and choose the appropriate SSD.  You  could also put a pair of SSD switches in to get the load needed if one wasn&#8217;t enough.</p>
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		<title>By: O Mattos</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2007/12/19/silent-x10-mod-cheap-ssr/comment-page-1/#comment-30414</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[O Mattos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 02:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with boyd - those stylish indoor recessed lights or mini-spotlights for paintings etc. can be 50w each, and with 20 of them around a room you could easily end up with 1kW of lighting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with boyd &#8211; those stylish indoor recessed lights or mini-spotlights for paintings etc. can be 50w each, and with 20 of them around a room you could easily end up with 1kW of lighting.</p>
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		<title>By: Boyd</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2007/12/19/silent-x10-mod-cheap-ssr/comment-page-1/#comment-30413</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Boyd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 02:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;13. what kind of light would a normal household have thats 600w? i have a shop halogen light thats 500w. i couldn&#039;t imagine a single light in a house with a normal plug requiring 600w.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;e.g. Multiple recessed lighting like kitchens and living rooms have a cumulative load. Exterior house lighting like spot lights, two on each unit 2 to 4 units adds up.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s the same for dimmers. If you want to dim 6 recessed fixtures that have 100W bulbs you would need a 600W dimmer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;13. what kind of light would a normal household have thats 600w? i have a shop halogen light thats 500w. i couldn&#8217;t imagine a single light in a house with a normal plug requiring 600w.&#8221;</p>
<p>e.g. Multiple recessed lighting like kitchens and living rooms have a cumulative load. Exterior house lighting like spot lights, two on each unit 2 to 4 units adds up.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the same for dimmers. If you want to dim 6 recessed fixtures that have 100W bulbs you would need a 600W dimmer.</p>
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		<title>By: Chupa</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chupa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 02:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[what kind of light would a normal household have thats 600w? I have a shop halogen light thats 500w. I couldn&#039;t imagine a single light in a house with a normal plug requiring 600w. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As far as safety is concerned a solid state relay is a lot more safe in my opinion, given its rated to handle it load obviously. The spark a mechanical relay causes could lead to more problems than a SSR. Further more after extended use of a mech relay the contacts start to deteriorate(like welding). A SSR is only unsafe if not used properly, just like everything else in the world.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what kind of light would a normal household have thats 600w? I have a shop halogen light thats 500w. I couldn&#8217;t imagine a single light in a house with a normal plug requiring 600w. </p>
<p>As far as safety is concerned a solid state relay is a lot more safe in my opinion, given its rated to handle it load obviously. The spark a mechanical relay causes could lead to more problems than a SSR. Further more after extended use of a mech relay the contacts start to deteriorate(like welding). A SSR is only unsafe if not used properly, just like everything else in the world.</p>
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		<title>By: bobby</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2007/12/19/silent-x10-mod-cheap-ssr/comment-page-1/#comment-30411</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bobby]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 01:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[it&#039;s only no humans harmed assuming the other safety devices work correctly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s only no humans harmed assuming the other safety devices work correctly.</p>
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		<title>By: O Mattos</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2007/12/19/silent-x10-mod-cheap-ssr/comment-page-1/#comment-30410</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[O Mattos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 23:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[on the safety side, the worst that can happen is either it melts and shorts and blows the fuse, or it melts and stays open circuit.  Either way no humans harmed...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>on the safety side, the worst that can happen is either it melts and shorts and blows the fuse, or it melts and stays open circuit.  Either way no humans harmed&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Boyd</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2007/12/19/silent-x10-mod-cheap-ssr/comment-page-1/#comment-30409</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Boyd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My bad. 600W. Just wanted to point out that relays serve a purpose.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My bad. 600W. Just wanted to point out that relays serve a purpose.</p>
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		<title>By: Orv</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Orv]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I suspect he meant 600 watts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect he meant 600 watts.</p>
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		<title>By: Admiral Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Admiral Michael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[byod probably meant 600W or incandescent lights, not 600v.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>byod probably meant 600W or incandescent lights, not 600v.</p>
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