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		<title>By: Crash Override</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/06/07/consumer-hmd-comparison/comment-page-1/#comment-108797</link>
		<dc:creator>Crash Override</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fiber optic cable carrying the image reflecting onto an opaque mirror that acts as an HMD monocle would be the best option for high resolution in a head mounted display.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fiber optic cable carrying the image reflecting onto an opaque mirror that acts as an HMD monocle would be the best option for high resolution in a head mounted display.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/06/07/consumer-hmd-comparison/comment-page-1/#comment-45049</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 23:30:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thought I should add to this, even though its a bit old. A company called Sensics now makes 1080p modules for HMD&#039;s better yet they have a 85degrees field of view, which is more then double most HMD&#039;s. Here are some links with more info, but I cant find a unit that uses them yet.
http://sensics.com/products/HDSight/HDsight_overview.php
http://athloneglobalsecurity.com/PDF/sensics.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thought I should add to this, even though its a bit old. A company called Sensics now makes 1080p modules for HMD&#8217;s better yet they have a 85degrees field of view, which is more then double most HMD&#8217;s. Here are some links with more info, but I cant find a unit that uses them yet.<br />
<a href="http://sensics.com/products/HDSight/HDsight_overview.php" rel="nofollow">http://sensics.com/products/HDSight/HDsight_overview.php</a><br />
<a href="http://athloneglobalsecurity.com/PDF/sensics.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://athloneglobalsecurity.com/PDF/sensics.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: tnt</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/06/07/consumer-hmd-comparison/comment-page-1/#comment-36465</link>
		<dc:creator>tnt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 03:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have come across some kopin bdm-230k modules shown here - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kopin.com/bdm-230k/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.kopin.com/bdm-230k/&lt;/a&gt; - I will be using them for testing I am doing with tracking hardware. They are similar to the spy car kit but have two color displays. I will be getting rid of the extras for very cheap so if anyone has interest in them just comment below.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have come across some kopin bdm-230k modules shown here &#8211; <a href="http://www.kopin.com/bdm-230k/" rel="nofollow">http://www.kopin.com/bdm-230k/</a> &#8211; I will be using them for testing I am doing with tracking hardware. They are similar to the spy car kit but have two color displays. I will be getting rid of the extras for very cheap so if anyone has interest in them just comment below.</p>
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		<title>By: DataPhreak</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/06/07/consumer-hmd-comparison/comment-page-1/#comment-36464</link>
		<dc:creator>DataPhreak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 03:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s not forget &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.vuzix.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.vuzix.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;ve got one. Why don&#039;t you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s not forget <a href="http://www.vuzix.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.vuzix.com</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got one. Why don&#8217;t you?</p>
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		<title>By: sagron</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/06/07/consumer-hmd-comparison/comment-page-1/#comment-36463</link>
		<dc:creator>sagron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 23:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I\&#039;m just waiting for a pair of sunglasses with an OLED substrate on em... way higher resolution can make em transparent OR opaque, no backlighting needed, better on power, and hopefully cheaper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I\&#8217;m just waiting for a pair of sunglasses with an OLED substrate on em&#8230; way higher resolution can make em transparent OR opaque, no backlighting needed, better on power, and hopefully cheaper.</p>
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		<title>By: Louis</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/06/07/consumer-hmd-comparison/comment-page-1/#comment-36462</link>
		<dc:creator>Louis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 12:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How is this DIY or hacked or... well... related to this site at all?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is this DIY or hacked or&#8230; well&#8230; related to this site at all?</p>
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		<title>By: recombinator</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/06/07/consumer-hmd-comparison/comment-page-1/#comment-36461</link>
		<dc:creator>recombinator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 06:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have the Headplay. It works pretty well and supports 1024x768 input (though resolution is still 800x600) Honestly the real issue is not resolution but field of view. The Headplay is a good compromise, and certainly a lot better than most of the &quot;iPod airplane&quot; goggles, but it&#039;s not like the huge 20lb 1980&#039;s style hmds with near total immersion.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I got it after realizing making my own hmd was prohibitively expensive, and most of the other commercially available products were seriously lacking in one area or another (resolution vs f.o.v. vs price vs size vs reliable reviews.) &lt;br&gt;The headplay was a good compromise (for me) though I had to implement my own motion tracking using a ps3 controller. Currently dismantling it for a ben heck inspired virtual boy casemod. Will submit in about a month.&lt;br&gt;If you are looking to make your own hmd though I suggest you start with the work of Steve Mann...&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://genesis.eecg.toronto.edu/head-mounted-displays.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://genesis.eecg.toronto.edu/head-mounted-displays.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;Severely dated, but incredibly, incredibly brilliant.&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have the Headplay. It works pretty well and supports 1024&#215;768 input (though resolution is still 800&#215;600) Honestly the real issue is not resolution but field of view. The Headplay is a good compromise, and certainly a lot better than most of the &#8220;iPod airplane&#8221; goggles, but it&#8217;s not like the huge 20lb 1980&#8217;s style hmds with near total immersion.</p>
<p>I got it after realizing making my own hmd was prohibitively expensive, and most of the other commercially available products were seriously lacking in one area or another (resolution vs f.o.v. vs price vs size vs reliable reviews.) <br />The headplay was a good compromise (for me) though I had to implement my own motion tracking using a ps3 controller. Currently dismantling it for a ben heck inspired virtual boy casemod. Will submit in about a month.<br />If you are looking to make your own hmd though I suggest you start with the work of Steve Mann&#8230;<br /><a href="http://genesis.eecg.toronto.edu/head-mounted-displays.html" rel="nofollow">http://genesis.eecg.toronto.edu/head-mounted-displays.html</a><br />Severely dated, but incredibly, incredibly brilliant.</p>
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		<title>By: treefrog</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/06/07/consumer-hmd-comparison/comment-page-1/#comment-36460</link>
		<dc:creator>treefrog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 04:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found one on www.DealExtreme.com for about $180. It says it&#039;s the equivalent of a 38&quot; screen. I don&#039;t know the resolution, but you can check it out. It&#039;s a cheap thing, but better than nothing if you want to toy with one.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.6087&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.6087&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found one on <a href="http://www.DealExtreme.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.DealExtreme.com</a> for about $180. It says it&#8217;s the equivalent of a 38&#8243; screen. I don&#8217;t know the resolution, but you can check it out. It&#8217;s a cheap thing, but better than nothing if you want to toy with one.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.6087" rel="nofollow">http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.6087</a></p>
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		<title>By: astebbin</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/06/07/consumer-hmd-comparison/comment-page-1/#comment-36459</link>
		<dc:creator>astebbin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 20:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>let&#039;s not forget about this great hack:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.hackaday.com/2007/10/07/25-head-mounted-display/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.hackaday.com/2007/10/07/25-head-mounted-display/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;sadly, the hmd is no longer available from the manufacturer&#039;s site as a replacement part for $25, but you can still get the whole &quot;spy car&quot; kit off ebay for a little over double that. the hmd takes composite input from a headphone-sized plug that can easily be wired up to the jack for a standard RCA cable.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;as the proud owner of one of these (admittedly lo-res) hmds, I&#039;ve got a question for the hackaday crowd: how can I get my laptop (compaq presario 2200, ubuntu hardy) to provide this 320x240 hmd with graphical input? the hmd is connected to the laptop via a rca-vga convertor, and stuff occasionally pops up on the hmd when I change the laptop&#039;s display mode, but telling the laptop to display stuff on the hmd via ubuntu&#039;s screen resolution doesn&#039;t seem to have any lasting effect. any suggestions?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;(my goal is to have my laptop take input from a camera mounted on top of the hmd, run that input through my homebrew facial recognition software, and display the output on the hmd.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>let&#8217;s not forget about this great hack:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.hackaday.com/2007/10/07/25-head-mounted-display/" rel="nofollow">http://www.hackaday.com/2007/10/07/25-head-mounted-display/</a></p>
<p>sadly, the hmd is no longer available from the manufacturer&#8217;s site as a replacement part for $25, but you can still get the whole &#8220;spy car&#8221; kit off ebay for a little over double that. the hmd takes composite input from a headphone-sized plug that can easily be wired up to the jack for a standard RCA cable.</p>
<p>as the proud owner of one of these (admittedly lo-res) hmds, I&#8217;ve got a question for the hackaday crowd: how can I get my laptop (compaq presario 2200, ubuntu hardy) to provide this 320&#215;240 hmd with graphical input? the hmd is connected to the laptop via a rca-vga convertor, and stuff occasionally pops up on the hmd when I change the laptop&#8217;s display mode, but telling the laptop to display stuff on the hmd via ubuntu&#8217;s screen resolution doesn&#8217;t seem to have any lasting effect. any suggestions?</p>
<p>(my goal is to have my laptop take input from a camera mounted on top of the hmd, run that input through my homebrew facial recognition software, and display the output on the hmd.)</p>
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		<title>By: rasz</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/06/07/consumer-hmd-comparison/comment-page-1/#comment-36458</link>
		<dc:creator>rasz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 20:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks for the info Joe, so I guess you also have to buy the controller (another $90)&lt;br&gt;that makes the Myvu Crystal the best deal so far</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for the info Joe, so I guess you also have to buy the controller (another $90)<br />that makes the Myvu Crystal the best deal so far</p>
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		<title>By: SOI Sentinel</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/06/07/consumer-hmd-comparison/comment-page-1/#comment-36457</link>
		<dc:creator>SOI Sentinel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 20:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>myvu units aren&#039;t just contained modules, they have custom, smaller very specialized (plastic) optics than those standard modules.  I doubt the standard Kopin dual display would fit inside of the myvu frame.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s like the HMD monocles from the Spygear line, 320x240 B&amp;W kopin, but they went the other way, with cheaper and bulkier (I suspect) optics instead.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;ANother SVGA model is this:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.3dvisor.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.3dvisor.com/&lt;/a&gt;  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I forgot about headplay, technology looks interesting.  It appears that they may actually be running a &quot;true&quot; 800x600 display instead of (800x600)/3 of a typical color masked LCD.  It looks to use a projector type technology(LCOS), as it has 120Hz framerate, but 360 color fields per second, so each color gets its own full field.  Should be OK if they&#039;re using RGB LEDs like they should be (although hilarious if they had a spinning color wheel in there!).  This also explains why you MUST use their external box, it needs very special drivers.  They just had spare horses so they provided a mini media player inside.  Hmmm... technically, this technology should scale linearly with DLP projector prices and color capability.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;For daily use, however, I believe you either need a translucent display (Heads up Display) or a sidelook display (Heads Down Display).  If you can&#039;t operate with the HMD on, what&#039;s the point?  The myvu comes close, and will probably cause the least nausea.  They focused on making the framework around the display translucent so you don&#039;t get as disoriented as normal HMDs.  A lightweight sidelooker for the non-eyeglass crowd is the eyetop.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tekgear.com/index.cfm?pageID=90&amp;prodid=247&amp;section=83&amp;nodelist=1,83&amp;function=viewproducts&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.tekgear.com/index.cfm?pageID=90&amp;prodid=247&amp;section=83&amp;nodelist=1,83&amp;function=viewproducts&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>myvu units aren&#8217;t just contained modules, they have custom, smaller very specialized (plastic) optics than those standard modules.  I doubt the standard Kopin dual display would fit inside of the myvu frame.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s like the HMD monocles from the Spygear line, 320&#215;240 B&#038;W kopin, but they went the other way, with cheaper and bulkier (I suspect) optics instead.</p>
<p>ANother SVGA model is this:  <a href="http://www.3dvisor.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.3dvisor.com/</a>  </p>
<p>I forgot about headplay, technology looks interesting.  It appears that they may actually be running a &#8220;true&#8221; 800&#215;600 display instead of (800&#215;600)/3 of a typical color masked LCD.  It looks to use a projector type technology(LCOS), as it has 120Hz framerate, but 360 color fields per second, so each color gets its own full field.  Should be OK if they&#8217;re using RGB LEDs like they should be (although hilarious if they had a spinning color wheel in there!).  This also explains why you MUST use their external box, it needs very special drivers.  They just had spare horses so they provided a mini media player inside.  Hmmm&#8230; technically, this technology should scale linearly with DLP projector prices and color capability.  </p>
<p>For daily use, however, I believe you either need a translucent display (Heads up Display) or a sidelook display (Heads Down Display).  If you can&#8217;t operate with the HMD on, what&#8217;s the point?  The myvu comes close, and will probably cause the least nausea.  They focused on making the framework around the display translucent so you don&#8217;t get as disoriented as normal HMDs.  A lightweight sidelooker for the non-eyeglass crowd is the eyetop.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.tekgear.com/index.cfm?pageID=90&#038;prodid=247&#038;section=83&#038;nodelist=1,83&#038;function=viewproducts" rel="nofollow">http://www.tekgear.com/index.cfm?pageID=90&#038;prodid=247&#038;section=83&#038;nodelist=1,83&#038;function=viewproducts</a></p>
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		<title>By: giskard</title>
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		<dc:creator>giskard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 19:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>anybody interested in this kind of thing should take a look at &lt;a href=&quot;http://eyetap.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://eyetap.org/&lt;/a&gt;.  They&#039;ve been doing some serisouly cool things with wearable displays for many years now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anybody interested in this kind of thing should take a look at <a href="http://eyetap.org/" rel="nofollow">http://eyetap.org/</a>.  They&#8217;ve been doing some serisouly cool things with wearable displays for many years now.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/06/07/consumer-hmd-comparison/comment-page-1/#comment-36455</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 19:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Edit- the MODULE version as used in these is 400$, the singular displays only without the optics are 240$ each. My bad. So, it&#039;s up to you- you can pay as much as the more expensive ziess, but get the smallest form factor out of the box. It looks as though there are volume discounts, or these 2 HMD makers wouldn&#039;t make any profit...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If you want just a single HUD, the Kopin site is the best way to buy single displays of any rez. Otherwise, canabalize! (my motto).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edit- the MODULE version as used in these is 400$, the singular displays only without the optics are 240$ each. My bad. So, it&#8217;s up to you- you can pay as much as the more expensive ziess, but get the smallest form factor out of the box. It looks as though there are volume discounts, or these 2 HMD makers wouldn&#8217;t make any profit&#8230;</p>
<p>If you want just a single HUD, the Kopin site is the best way to buy single displays of any rez. Otherwise, canabalize! (my motto).</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/06/07/consumer-hmd-comparison/comment-page-1/#comment-36454</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 19:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The module versions are 2 displays mounted to an optics block/unit, all self contained, basically the working guts of the myvu and other such units. Think of it as the hacker&#039;s delight- I believe they are ready to plug and play, you can make your own custom mount for it (ie: : fit it to the inside of a mask, cover it with shapelock and make a custom molded frame to mount to your head that looks less &quot;jordie&quot; like, etc.)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Framed versus frameless- the framed versions have a plastic bezel around them to protect the edges and fill space to mount to camcorders/consumer gadets better, the frameless versions are the barebones glass-ended displays with no protection bezel- as big as the display itself is what you get on a ribbon cable.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Basically, yeah, the same 640x480 module unit is used in both of these HMDs in the review, and you can buy it for 240$ bare from Kopin, and make your own frame from stratch, via shapelock molding, lost wax casting, etc. Save money, and get the smallest possible form factor for hacking it into another device!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Hope that helps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The module versions are 2 displays mounted to an optics block/unit, all self contained, basically the working guts of the myvu and other such units. Think of it as the hacker&#8217;s delight- I believe they are ready to plug and play, you can make your own custom mount for it (ie: : fit it to the inside of a mask, cover it with shapelock and make a custom molded frame to mount to your head that looks less &#8220;jordie&#8221; like, etc.)</p>
<p>Framed versus frameless- the framed versions have a plastic bezel around them to protect the edges and fill space to mount to camcorders/consumer gadets better, the frameless versions are the barebones glass-ended displays with no protection bezel- as big as the display itself is what you get on a ribbon cable.</p>
<p>Basically, yeah, the same 640&#215;480 module unit is used in both of these HMDs in the review, and you can buy it for 240$ bare from Kopin, and make your own frame from stratch, via shapelock molding, lost wax casting, etc. Save money, and get the smallest possible form factor for hacking it into another device!</p>
<p>Hope that helps.</p>
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		<title>By: rasz</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/06/07/consumer-hmd-comparison/comment-page-1/#comment-36453</link>
		<dc:creator>rasz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 18:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks Joe&lt;br&gt;apparently Myvu Crystal is based on their modules&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kopin.com/commercial-picture-gallery/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.kopin.com/commercial-picture-gallery/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;they list it in the low volume ( i assume its one uinit too) as&lt;br&gt;VGA 	$240 KCD-VDCF-BA Framed&lt;br&gt;just dont know what they mean by &quot;Framed&quot;? does this mean you get the whole thing  just without the Myvu Crystal printed on the side? or the bare guts?&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks Joe<br />apparently Myvu Crystal is based on their modules<br /><a href="http://www.kopin.com/commercial-picture-gallery/" rel="nofollow">http://www.kopin.com/commercial-picture-gallery/</a></p>
<p>they list it in the low volume ( i assume its one uinit too) as<br />VGA 	$240 KCD-VDCF-BA Framed<br />just dont know what they mean by &#8220;Framed&#8221;? does this mean you get the whole thing  just without the Myvu Crystal printed on the side? or the bare guts?</p>
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