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	<title>Comments on: Drive Slagging</title>
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		<title>By: carlsonmark</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/06/11/drive-slagging/comment-page-1/#comment-36718</link>
		<dc:creator>carlsonmark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 19:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anybody who wants hack-a-day &quot;classic&quot;, change your bookmark to:&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.hackaday.com/category/daily/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.hackaday.com/category/daily/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Or for the rss feed:&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.hackaday.com/category/daily/rss.xml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.hackaday.com/category/daily/rss.xml&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Yeah, I know it&#039;s not fun to have to change your personal habits, but it&#039;s way easier than trying to get hackaday to change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anybody who wants hack-a-day &#8220;classic&#8221;, change your bookmark to:<br /><a href="http://www.hackaday.com/category/daily/" rel="nofollow">http://www.hackaday.com/category/daily/</a></p>
<p>Or for the rss feed:<br /><a href="http://www.hackaday.com/category/daily/rss.xml" rel="nofollow">http://www.hackaday.com/category/daily/rss.xml</a></p>
<p>Yeah, I know it&#8217;s not fun to have to change your personal habits, but it&#8217;s way easier than trying to get hackaday to change.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnmc</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/06/11/drive-slagging/comment-page-1/#comment-36717</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnmc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 23:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man what a waste. They should have done a little tear down first. Like there are some kick ass magnets in there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man what a waste. They should have done a little tear down first. Like there are some kick ass magnets in there.</p>
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		<title>By: Cross_</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/06/11/drive-slagging/comment-page-1/#comment-36716</link>
		<dc:creator>Cross_</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 22:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slow news day, huh ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slow news day, huh ?</p>
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		<title>By: Nick H</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/06/11/drive-slagging/comment-page-1/#comment-36715</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having destroyed many hard drives in the past few weeks, I agree that overkill is fun, but not always necessary.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;All the boogie-man-exotic techniques (MFM, MSTM, etc) would rely on the attacker being able to access many areas of the platter with a device that effectively have a &quot;depth of field&quot; (a bit of a misnomer, but an apt analogy) on the order of nanometers. If the platter is flat and undamaged, it&#039;s feasable to mount the thing for easy analysis. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Beat the platter a few times, and it&#039;s too warped to effectively scan. And in my experience, many modern drives still use solid platters. IBM/Hitachi seems to be the main exception. If the platter isn&#039;t solid, it&#039;ll shatter... even better.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;An even better idea though: use Darkik&#039;s Boot &amp; Nuke (or similar) with a DoD-style wipe, and give the drive to a local charity. Organizations that reuse computers are often short on suitable hard drives due to paranoid nerds. Wipe/donate is even acceptable for many financial institutions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having destroyed many hard drives in the past few weeks, I agree that overkill is fun, but not always necessary.</p>
<p>All the boogie-man-exotic techniques (MFM, MSTM, etc) would rely on the attacker being able to access many areas of the platter with a device that effectively have a &#8220;depth of field&#8221; (a bit of a misnomer, but an apt analogy) on the order of nanometers. If the platter is flat and undamaged, it&#8217;s feasable to mount the thing for easy analysis. </p>
<p>Beat the platter a few times, and it&#8217;s too warped to effectively scan. And in my experience, many modern drives still use solid platters. IBM/Hitachi seems to be the main exception. If the platter isn&#8217;t solid, it&#8217;ll shatter&#8230; even better.</p>
<p>An even better idea though: use Darkik&#8217;s Boot &#038; Nuke (or similar) with a DoD-style wipe, and give the drive to a local charity. Organizations that reuse computers are often short on suitable hard drives due to paranoid nerds. Wipe/donate is even acceptable for many financial institutions.</p>
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		<title>By: HeBD</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/06/11/drive-slagging/comment-page-1/#comment-36714</link>
		<dc:creator>HeBD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wtf!!! dont do that! thats destroying evidence. any idea how long u can be locked away for that without even having done anything _else_ wrong? omg!! just dont do it!!!!! sell it to someone who can use it!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wtf!!! dont do that! thats destroying evidence. any idea how long u can be locked away for that without even having done anything _else_ wrong? omg!! just dont do it!!!!! sell it to someone who can use it!!!</p>
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		<title>By: killasmurf</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/06/11/drive-slagging/comment-page-1/#comment-36713</link>
		<dc:creator>killasmurf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hack?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hack?</p>
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		<title>By: herbicide</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/06/11/drive-slagging/comment-page-1/#comment-36712</link>
		<dc:creator>herbicide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 19:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just use them as mirrors or coasters.&lt;br&gt;Well, the aluminium ones also make nice first-surface mirrors, for playing^W experimenting with lasers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just use them as mirrors or coasters.<br />Well, the aluminium ones also make nice first-surface mirrors, for playing^W experimenting with lasers.</p>
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		<title>By: fartface</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/06/11/drive-slagging/comment-page-1/#comment-36711</link>
		<dc:creator>fartface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um platters are today not solid metal.  You can shatter them quite easy.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;a sledge hammer to a hard drive is incredibly effective.  nail it a few times and then shake out the pieces and throw them away randomly.&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um platters are today not solid metal.  You can shatter them quite easy.</p>
<p>a sledge hammer to a hard drive is incredibly effective.  nail it a few times and then shake out the pieces and throw them away randomly.</p>
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		<title>By: Man On Fire</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/06/11/drive-slagging/comment-page-1/#comment-36710</link>
		<dc:creator>Man On Fire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thermite in a flower pot is more fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thermite in a flower pot is more fun.</p>
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		<title>By: barry99705</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/06/11/drive-slagging/comment-page-1/#comment-36709</link>
		<dc:creator>barry99705</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s still cool though, after reading my comment, it came out wrong.  Any mixture of heat and metal hot enough to turn the metal liquid is cool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s still cool though, after reading my comment, it came out wrong.  Any mixture of heat and metal hot enough to turn the metal liquid is cool.</p>
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		<title>By: barry99705</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/06/11/drive-slagging/comment-page-1/#comment-36708</link>
		<dc:creator>barry99705</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mehh, been there done that.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://web.mac.com/barrywoods/Site/DOD_drive_wipe.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://web.mac.com/barrywoods/Site/DOD_drive_wipe.html&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mehh, been there done that.  <a href="http://web.mac.com/barrywoods/Site/DOD_drive_wipe.html" rel="nofollow">http://web.mac.com/barrywoods/Site/DOD_drive_wipe.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Hal Hockersmith</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/06/11/drive-slagging/comment-page-1/#comment-36707</link>
		<dc:creator>Hal Hockersmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the olden days we just used thermite. Not as fun but hella fast. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Oh and jaun: good try at redeeming yourself. The post is good (i&#039;ll let this one slide) but it not up to the old hardware hacks. Try finding more things to the hardware side. (And yes if _I_ find any I will tip you off to it.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the olden days we just used thermite. Not as fun but hella fast. </p>
<p>Oh and jaun: good try at redeeming yourself. The post is good (i&#8217;ll let this one slide) but it not up to the old hardware hacks. Try finding more things to the hardware side. (And yes if _I_ find any I will tip you off to it.)</p>
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