Infinite water


It’s Independence Day, so if you have pets and planned a trip, chances are you wrangled a pet sitter to keep your pet from starving or dehydrating to death. Next time, consider letting this infinite water dispenser help you instead.

The dispenser is made of a Tupperware tub, a fish tank water filter, a float switch, and a water solenoid valve. It works essentially the same way as any toilet: the solenoid valve lets water into the filter where it is dispensed to the Tupperware container. The float switch is activated when the water in the container reaches a certain level. When the water level drops due to evaporation or thirsty pets, the float switch goes down and triggers the solenoid to let in more water. The whole works are powered by a GFI outlet for safety since this project involved water, electricity and pets.

Comments

  1. Jinto Lin says:

    They use these with cattle and horses. My grandfather would check them, and if the water was green it was broken.

  2. biojae says:

    my cats are scared of these things, we once had a commercial one and only one cat would drink from it

  3. jc says:

    It’s a good idea, but float switches fail. What’s really needed is a small microcontroller that determines the water has been flowing for too long and does a hard shutdown.

    Ideally, I’d use two solenoids in series for redundancy, and a current sensor for determining the the duration the solenoid has been open. A flow meter would be even better, but more expensive. Then you can determine a failure prior to the first solenoid.

    If the water has been flowing too long, you shut down the solenoids, and if you continue to detect flow, you turn on an alarm.

    Or, since no device or program is complete until it can send email, send an SMS to your cellphone or crackberry.

  4. jc says:

    I was just thinking about what biojae (#2) said. Seems like adding a PIR motion sensor so that it would only fill when there was nothing in front of it would help.

    Conversely, one could pretty much assume that it will refill more often due to drinking rather than evaporation, so add a 2 minute timer between the float switch triggering a low water condition, and refilling.

  5. ocman says:

    i don’t know if you guys have taken apart toilets but what lets water into the tank is called a ballcock. they are a solid mechanical device that lasts for years. if overflow is a concern, this is something that could easily be piped to a condesate pump, basement etc. i think this is the easiest way about it and has no electricity plus water hazard

  6. chubs1646 says:

    Another Potential method would be to use Capacitive based sensors, they use them on air planes and other objects to determine how much fluid is within a container without having to come into direct contact with the fluid, use that sensor with a microcontroller and you would be able to actually see how much water is in the dish and control a solenoid from there.

  7. Needs a couple of mods.

    First, there should be two tanks of water, at the same level, connected with a tube. This will allow you to fill the secondary one while keeping it a few feet away, and protected in a box to prevent the float being displaced or the animal being frightened. A small second float switch set a bit higher could easily cut off the flow if the first ended up stuck open.

    Second, another tube off the drinking bowl should go to pump (a fish tank pump would work) also stored in the hidden box. Periodically (once per day?) the pump should engage (a cheap timer switch would do) for long enough to empty the contents of the drinking bowl — changing the water.

  8. BlizzardDemon says:

    @jc Couldn’t you also use a weight sensor at the bottom of the Tupperware container? I mean you’d just set the weight of full to the switch for the the pump. If water is lost, weight is lost. You could also add this as a redundancy to the float switch should the float switch fail.

  9. buddy says:

    This is very similar to a fish tank auto top off unit. Just google auto-topoff and you will find a million builds that are virtually identical. Cool though.

  10. Joey Y says:

    if you were crazy, or did not really like your pets, you could rig a hard shutoff (to keep from flooding the house) by putting a hot wire and a ground wire (shielded from the pets’ curious appendages) so if the water reached the top of the container, it would bridge the hot and ground, which would promptly pop the gfci.

    but a microcontroller timers and capacitance sensors are probably safer.

  11. rasz says:

    > the float switch

    my cat would just sit on it

  12. jk says:

    A dehumidifier as water source would be even more hacktastic.

  13. siokaos says:

    this is ridiculous. first of all, the entire aparatus can be replaced with an entirely passive system due to a property of gravity and pressure.

    the real problem lies in the fact that when your animal drinks, the bacteria from their mouth is left in the water. if you keep adding water and never replace it, the bacteria stays and grows. take a few minutes and leave fresh water for your animal!

  14. Taylor Alexander says:

    well, this is interesting, but heres how i would improve it:

    use a tube to fill the tub from the bottom, rather than pouring it in from the top, possibly with a diffuser over the end of the tube, to minimize the sound and motion that might scare a cat away

    If you do that, restrict the flow to something extremely low, to further reduce the disturbance in the water. your cat likely will not be drinking large amounts of water quickly, so you don’t need a huge inrush of water to fill it back up.

    That should sufficiently reduce the cat scaring qualities of the thing.

    As far as all the other stuff about making it double-redundant etc, that seems like overkill. Just use a Normally closed valve and a robust sensor and i think you’d be fine, though you may want to put this in a place where overflow will cause the least amount of damage, just in case.

    -Taylor

  15. Frollard says:

    Okay, so, as stated above, a ballcock would make a LOT more sense

    Add a UV light to kill bacteria…tada, safe

    the automated empty/fill pump is a good idea.

  16. Widdershins says:

    Oh snap, that would be a REALLY BAD THING if the dumb animal knocked the bowl out from under it. It’d flood your house.

  17. Louis II says:

    Decent DIY advice for the uninformed.

    Just one thought… pets eat poop and drink urine… do we really need to change their water?
    ;-)

  18. James says:

    Clearly it needs a GSM addon, so it can SMS you when it breaks. You’re a thousand miles away on vacation, so you can’t do anything about it, but you at least know you’re screwed =-)

    Seriously, though, agree about putting the inlet below the water line (most pets hate surprises!) and switching to at least a solid-state sensor, if not a mechanical control/ballcock. Maybe if you’re going to have it be microcontroller-based anyway, you could set up an automated nightly “flush” system, and have a computer-controlled outlet valve that runs to a drain somewhere? Open the drain, wait a few minutes, close it, run the water till it fills, open the drain, wait, close it, and refill. Guaranteed fresh water daily. Shouldn’t even be hard/expensive to add the extra kit, though I guess people have a spare fresh-water hookup in more places than they have a spare sewage/drain line.

  19. Magma says:

    I think the idea here was to have running water for very picky pets, particularly cats. Something in their genes I guess, about the fact that running water is generally more healthy. Most of cats I know will prefer to drink from a dropping tap or a fresh puddle that in their bowl.

  20. Hasan Murtaza says:

    I agree with siokaos, the whole is unnecessary. Just place a large shallow reservoir of water in another room, and connect it to the pet’s dish via a small hose. Arrange it so that the large reservoir’s water level is the same as the pet dishes. As the pet drinks, hydrostatic pressure will force water from the reservoir into the dish until the levels are equal. If the reservoir has M times the volume of the dish, the dish water level will fall M times slower than it would normally.

    In essence, it’s like connecting a small capacitor in parallel to a large one. The small tube is one wire, the atmospheric pressure serves as the “ground” in the electrical case. As the small cap drains, it is continually replenished by the large one. Or, the capacitance is the sum of both capacitors.

  21. Spadefinger says:

    @20
    That’s just stupid. The whole point is to have it connected to the plumbing so you don’t have to worry about it (provided you pay your water bill). I wouldn’t use it, but that’s because my cat will just drink from the toilet.

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