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	<title>Comments on: Infinite water</title>
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		<title>By: Spadefinger</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/07/04/infinite-water/comment-page-1/#comment-38371</link>
		<dc:creator>Spadefinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 23:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@20&lt;br&gt;That&#039;s just stupid. The whole point is to have it connected to the plumbing so you don&#039;t have to worry about it (provided you pay your water bill). I wouldn&#039;t use it, but that&#039;s because my cat will just drink from the toilet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@20<br />That&#8217;s just stupid. The whole point is to have it connected to the plumbing so you don&#8217;t have to worry about it (provided you pay your water bill). I wouldn&#8217;t use it, but that&#8217;s because my cat will just drink from the toilet.</p>
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		<title>By: Hasan Murtaza</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/07/04/infinite-water/comment-page-1/#comment-38370</link>
		<dc:creator>Hasan Murtaza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 21:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with siokaos, the whole is unnecessary.  Just place a large shallow reservoir of water in another room, and connect it to the pet&#039;s dish via a small hose.  Arrange it so that the large reservoir&#039;s water level is the same as the pet dishes.  As the pet drinks, hydrostatic pressure will force water from the reservoir into the dish until the levels are equal.  If the reservoir has M times the volume of the dish, the dish water level will fall M times slower than it would normally.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In essence, it&#039;s like connecting a small capacitor in parallel to a large one.  The small tube is one wire, the atmospheric pressure serves as the &quot;ground&quot; in the electrical case.  As the small cap drains, it is continually replenished by the large one.  Or, the capacitance is the sum of both capacitors.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with siokaos, the whole is unnecessary.  Just place a large shallow reservoir of water in another room, and connect it to the pet&#8217;s dish via a small hose.  Arrange it so that the large reservoir&#8217;s water level is the same as the pet dishes.  As the pet drinks, hydrostatic pressure will force water from the reservoir into the dish until the levels are equal.  If the reservoir has M times the volume of the dish, the dish water level will fall M times slower than it would normally.</p>
<p>In essence, it&#8217;s like connecting a small capacitor in parallel to a large one.  The small tube is one wire, the atmospheric pressure serves as the &#8220;ground&#8221; in the electrical case.  As the small cap drains, it is continually replenished by the large one.  Or, the capacitance is the sum of both capacitors.  </p>
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		<title>By: Magma</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/07/04/infinite-water/comment-page-1/#comment-38369</link>
		<dc:creator>Magma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 21:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the idea here was to have running water for very picky pets, particularly cats. Something in their genes I guess, about the fact that running water is generally more healthy. Most of cats I know will prefer to drink from a dropping tap or a fresh puddle that in their bowl.&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the idea here was to have running water for very picky pets, particularly cats. Something in their genes I guess, about the fact that running water is generally more healthy. Most of cats I know will prefer to drink from a dropping tap or a fresh puddle that in their bowl.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/07/04/infinite-water/comment-page-1/#comment-38368</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 19:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clearly it needs a GSM addon, so it can SMS you when it breaks.  You&#039;re a thousand miles away on vacation, so you can&#039;t do anything about it, but you at least know you&#039;re screwed =-)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Seriously, though, agree about putting the inlet below the water line (most pets hate surprises!) and switching to at least a solid-state sensor, if not a mechanical control/ballcock.  Maybe if you&#039;re going to have it be microcontroller-based anyway, you could set up an automated nightly &quot;flush&quot; system, and have a computer-controlled outlet valve that runs to a drain somewhere?  Open the drain, wait a few minutes, close it, run the water till it fills, open the drain, wait, close it, and refill.  Guaranteed fresh water daily.  Shouldn&#039;t even be hard/expensive to add the extra kit, though I guess people have a spare fresh-water hookup in more places than they have a spare sewage/drain line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly it needs a GSM addon, so it can SMS you when it breaks.  You&#8217;re a thousand miles away on vacation, so you can&#8217;t do anything about it, but you at least know you&#8217;re screwed =-)</p>
<p>Seriously, though, agree about putting the inlet below the water line (most pets hate surprises!) and switching to at least a solid-state sensor, if not a mechanical control/ballcock.  Maybe if you&#8217;re going to have it be microcontroller-based anyway, you could set up an automated nightly &#8220;flush&#8221; system, and have a computer-controlled outlet valve that runs to a drain somewhere?  Open the drain, wait a few minutes, close it, run the water till it fills, open the drain, wait, close it, and refill.  Guaranteed fresh water daily.  Shouldn&#8217;t even be hard/expensive to add the extra kit, though I guess people have a spare fresh-water hookup in more places than they have a spare sewage/drain line.</p>
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		<title>By: Louis II</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/07/04/infinite-water/comment-page-1/#comment-38367</link>
		<dc:creator>Louis II</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 05:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Decent DIY advice for the uninformed.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Just one thought... pets eat poop and drink urine... do we really need to change their water?&lt;br&gt;;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Decent DIY advice for the uninformed.</p>
<p>Just one thought&#8230; pets eat poop and drink urine&#8230; do we really need to change their water?<br />;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Widdershins</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/07/04/infinite-water/comment-page-1/#comment-38366</link>
		<dc:creator>Widdershins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 02:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh snap, that would be a REALLY BAD THING if the dumb animal knocked the bowl out from under it. It&#039;d flood your house.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh snap, that would be a REALLY BAD THING if the dumb animal knocked the bowl out from under it. It&#8217;d flood your house.</p>
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		<title>By: Frollard</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/07/04/infinite-water/comment-page-1/#comment-38365</link>
		<dc:creator>Frollard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 23:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, so, as stated above, a ballcock would make a LOT more sense&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Add a UV light to kill bacteria...tada, safe&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;the automated empty/fill pump is a good idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, so, as stated above, a ballcock would make a LOT more sense</p>
<p>Add a UV light to kill bacteria&#8230;tada, safe</p>
<p>the automated empty/fill pump is a good idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Taylor Alexander</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/07/04/infinite-water/comment-page-1/#comment-38364</link>
		<dc:creator>Taylor Alexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 21:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well, this is interesting, but heres how i would improve it:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;use a tube to fill the tub from the bottom, rather than pouring it in from the top, possibly with a diffuser over the end of the tube, to minimize the sound and motion that might scare a cat away&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If you do that, restrict the flow to something extremely low, to further reduce the disturbance in the water. your cat likely will not be drinking large amounts of water quickly, so you don&#039;t need a huge inrush of water to fill it back up.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That should sufficiently reduce the cat scaring qualities of the thing.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As far as all the other stuff about making it double-redundant etc, that seems like overkill. Just use a Normally closed valve and a robust sensor and i think you&#039;d be fine, though you may want to put this in a place where overflow will cause the least amount of damage, just in case.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;-Taylor</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, this is interesting, but heres how i would improve it:</p>
<p>use a tube to fill the tub from the bottom, rather than pouring it in from the top, possibly with a diffuser over the end of the tube, to minimize the sound and motion that might scare a cat away</p>
<p>If you do that, restrict the flow to something extremely low, to further reduce the disturbance in the water. your cat likely will not be drinking large amounts of water quickly, so you don&#8217;t need a huge inrush of water to fill it back up.</p>
<p>That should sufficiently reduce the cat scaring qualities of the thing.</p>
<p>As far as all the other stuff about making it double-redundant etc, that seems like overkill. Just use a Normally closed valve and a robust sensor and i think you&#8217;d be fine, though you may want to put this in a place where overflow will cause the least amount of damage, just in case.</p>
<p>-Taylor</p>
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		<title>By: siokaos</title>
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		<dc:creator>siokaos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 18:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is ridiculous. first of all, the entire aparatus can be replaced with an entirely passive system due to a property of gravity and pressure.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;the real problem lies in the fact that when your animal drinks, the bacteria from their mouth is left in the water. if you keep adding water and never replace it, the bacteria stays and grows. take a few minutes and leave fresh water for your animal!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is ridiculous. first of all, the entire aparatus can be replaced with an entirely passive system due to a property of gravity and pressure.</p>
<p>the real problem lies in the fact that when your animal drinks, the bacteria from their mouth is left in the water. if you keep adding water and never replace it, the bacteria stays and grows. take a few minutes and leave fresh water for your animal!</p>
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		<title>By: jk</title>
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		<dc:creator>jk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 18:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A dehumidifier as water source would be even more hacktastic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A dehumidifier as water source would be even more hacktastic.</p>
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		<title>By: rasz</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/07/04/infinite-water/comment-page-1/#comment-38361</link>
		<dc:creator>rasz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 14:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; the float switch&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;my cat would just sit on it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>> the float switch</p>
<p>my cat would just sit on it</p>
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		<title>By: Joey Y</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/07/04/infinite-water/comment-page-1/#comment-38360</link>
		<dc:creator>Joey Y</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 08:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if you were crazy, or did not really like your pets, you could rig a hard shutoff (to keep from flooding the house) by putting a hot wire and a ground wire (shielded from the pets&#039; curious appendages) so if the water reached the top of the container, it would bridge the hot and ground, which would promptly pop the gfci.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;but a microcontroller timers and capacitance sensors are probably safer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if you were crazy, or did not really like your pets, you could rig a hard shutoff (to keep from flooding the house) by putting a hot wire and a ground wire (shielded from the pets&#8217; curious appendages) so if the water reached the top of the container, it would bridge the hot and ground, which would promptly pop the gfci.</p>
<p>but a microcontroller timers and capacitance sensors are probably safer.</p>
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		<title>By: buddy</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/07/04/infinite-water/comment-page-1/#comment-38359</link>
		<dc:creator>buddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 06:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is very similar to a fish tank auto top off unit.  Just google auto-topoff and you will find a million builds that are virtually identical.  Cool though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is very similar to a fish tank auto top off unit.  Just google auto-topoff and you will find a million builds that are virtually identical.  Cool though.</p>
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		<title>By: BlizzardDemon</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/07/04/infinite-water/comment-page-1/#comment-38358</link>
		<dc:creator>BlizzardDemon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 05:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@jc Couldn&#039;t you also use a weight sensor at the bottom of the Tupperware container? I mean you&#039;d just set the weight of full to the switch for the the pump. If water is lost, weight is lost. You could also add this as a redundancy to the float switch should the float switch fail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@jc Couldn&#8217;t you also use a weight sensor at the bottom of the Tupperware container? I mean you&#8217;d just set the weight of full to the switch for the the pump. If water is lost, weight is lost. You could also add this as a redundancy to the float switch should the float switch fail.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Pollack</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/07/04/infinite-water/comment-page-1/#comment-38357</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Pollack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 05:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Needs a couple of mods.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;First, there should be two tanks of water, at the same level, connected with a tube. This will allow you to fill the secondary one while keeping it a few feet away, and protected in a box to prevent the float being displaced or the animal being frightened.  A small second float switch set a bit higher could easily cut off the flow if the first ended up stuck open.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Second, another tube off the drinking bowl should go to pump (a fish tank pump would work) also stored in the hidden box.  Periodically (once per day?) the pump should engage (a cheap timer switch would do) for long enough to empty the contents of the drinking bowl -- changing the water.&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Needs a couple of mods.</p>
<p>First, there should be two tanks of water, at the same level, connected with a tube. This will allow you to fill the secondary one while keeping it a few feet away, and protected in a box to prevent the float being displaced or the animal being frightened.  A small second float switch set a bit higher could easily cut off the flow if the first ended up stuck open.</p>
<p>Second, another tube off the drinking bowl should go to pump (a fish tank pump would work) also stored in the hidden box.  Periodically (once per day?) the pump should engage (a cheap timer switch would do) for long enough to empty the contents of the drinking bowl &#8212; changing the water.</p>
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