aweson, this shit is sooo funny!!!

@joey y:

The motorcycle doesn’t work because of loop sensitivity and loop design. Good loop systems support up to 5 loops… federal apd does not.

@nirgal:

The activation loop you are talking about is called a “Presence Loop” or Loop B. The “Safety/Closing” Loop is called Loop C. In more advanced scenarios (like those supported by Magnetic Automation Gates), a Loop A is used or Backout Loop.

@nirgal: The reason it doesn’t work is because the loops are designed wrong and you are using Federal APD equipment. It sucks. Magnetic Automation Supports this.. and Federal APD uses Magnetic Automation gates FYI. Their posidrive gate is a copy of a MIB30.

@jason: Speed has nothing to do with it.. physics are faster than that motorcycle buddy.

@enigma: I don’t want parking system the parking garage uses but this is considered a “stolen” or “backout” ticket and if it is a truly online system, the ticket will come up invalid when used.

OR just stick a larger magnet on the underside of your frame…

With our equipment (Federal APD) it has two loops – one before the gate and one afterward. The one before the gate is there to activae some type of software trigger: either allow the “push for ticket” button to do something, the card readers to do something when a card is in proximity, or to open the gate at the exit lane. The loop after the gate is there so the system knows when the car is past so it can drop the gate.

So as I said before, yes a piece of metal could open the gate up, but you’d risk a head-on collision with someone driving down at you at around 20mph.

@deathwombat:
Well that might work in some places, especially those with people that don’t speak english very well. At the place I’m at, this wouldn’t work. Any contractors working on the building itself get special slips of paper signed by the building management that authorize the free parking, or they receive access cards that are given out for the time span they work. Also, the building management alerts the parking management to any contractors working. Everyone else has to pay. Even if you did manage to sneak in somehow, you’d need to have a ticket when you left, or you’d pay the lost ticket fee, which is slightly more than one full day of parking. Also, cars left in the ramp for more than a couple days w/o seeing parking management are towed out and then you pay a $350 fee to a towing company. And we frequently get people trying to scam us out of prepay rates, so we’re accustom to people making crap up. It’s easy to spot when they are vague, don’t know anyone’s name, and certainly don’t know any of our procedures they WOULD know if they were entitled to the free parking.

@Joey Y
Well at my work, motorcycles have a problem too. That’s why we generally don’t allow them in. Basically, you don’t have enough metal on the motorcycle to keep the loop “activated”. In other words, you bike isn’t long enough. For the few motorcycles we do or are forced to take in, we have them drive around the gates so they aren’t injured.

BUT the main reason is you are not moving fast enough directly over the sensor, notice how he was winging that can and phone around? The sensor needs to see a change. You could park an entire car on there not moving at all and it would not trip. It is all relative are car does not need to move as much as a motorcycle, and the smaller the object the fast and closer it needs to be.

Jason

I frequently cannot even get into the parking lots that I have access to if I am in anything smaller than a car…

Because of this common type of sensing method the metal does not have to be ferrous, and is why aluminum works.

I know this will not work in a lot of situations. but for some especially private gates :)