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		<title>By: Janardhanaya</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/08/27/testing-ir-camera-blocking/comment-page-1/#comment-84739</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Janardhanaya]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 23:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[excellent post]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>excellent post</p>
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		<title>By: ruder</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/08/27/testing-ir-camera-blocking/comment-page-1/#comment-47702</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ruder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 22:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[CCD-Arrays are a relatively high sensitivity in the IR range, but IR light generally degrades the image. Thus high quality industrial grade cameras are equipped with an IR filter directly placed before the sensor. 

The IR-LED approach works well with bright LEDs, but is naturally futile with cameras that filter their wavelength.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CCD-Arrays are a relatively high sensitivity in the IR range, but IR light generally degrades the image. Thus high quality industrial grade cameras are equipped with an IR filter directly placed before the sensor. </p>
<p>The IR-LED approach works well with bright LEDs, but is naturally futile with cameras that filter their wavelength.</p>
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		<title>By: d</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/08/27/testing-ir-camera-blocking/comment-page-1/#comment-45679</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Add a parabolic reflector to make the spread more Uni-Directional.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Add a parabolic reflector to make the spread more Uni-Directional.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Velazquez</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/08/27/testing-ir-camera-blocking/comment-page-1/#comment-45604</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Velazquez]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 03:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I tried to do that too  XP]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tried to do that too  XP</p>
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		<title>By: mr.radar</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/08/27/testing-ir-camera-blocking/comment-page-1/#comment-42437</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mr.radar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 22:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve thought about doing something like this but modulating the IR output with a wideband, psuedo-random sequence (which is super easy to generate with a few logic chips and a clock source). My thought is that this broadband optical noise might interfere with the camera&#039;s scan rate, or other processing it does (similar to what &#039;nitori&#039; described). 

Best case would be that the field of view of the camera would turn to &#039;snow&#039;, worst case, it would do nothing..

..and for everyone beating up on this guy for LED selection.. at least he tried something.. I give him props for making a reasonable effort in the first place...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve thought about doing something like this but modulating the IR output with a wideband, psuedo-random sequence (which is super easy to generate with a few logic chips and a clock source). My thought is that this broadband optical noise might interfere with the camera&#8217;s scan rate, or other processing it does (similar to what &#8216;nitori&#8217; described). </p>
<p>Best case would be that the field of view of the camera would turn to &#8216;snow&#8217;, worst case, it would do nothing..</p>
<p>..and for everyone beating up on this guy for LED selection.. at least he tried something.. I give him props for making a reasonable effort in the first place&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: MicronXD</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/08/27/testing-ir-camera-blocking/comment-page-1/#comment-41833</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MicronXD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 06:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[lol damn... well this dude just tried what I&#039;m sure many of us had planned on using in the event we wanted to obscure security cameras... maybe DIY IR laser pointer?

you could use a camera without an IR filter to help with the aiming...

better than a normal laser pointer, cuz no security personnel would know where the lights comin from...

(I&#039;m tired as hell... This all probably sounds retarded)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol damn&#8230; well this dude just tried what I&#8217;m sure many of us had planned on using in the event we wanted to obscure security cameras&#8230; maybe DIY IR laser pointer?</p>
<p>you could use a camera without an IR filter to help with the aiming&#8230;</p>
<p>better than a normal laser pointer, cuz no security personnel would know where the lights comin from&#8230;</p>
<p>(I&#8217;m tired as hell&#8230; This all probably sounds retarded)</p>
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		<title>By: TheKhakinator</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/08/27/testing-ir-camera-blocking/comment-page-1/#comment-41301</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TheKhakinator]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anyone thought of pointing the LEDs at your face rather then at the camera? That way if you&#039;re sideways to the camera the IR will still bounce off your face towards the camera - directed LEDs would be pointing off the same direction you&#039;re looking and your profile could be visible to the camera. Harder to achieve though.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And use high power LEDs, kids.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone thought of pointing the LEDs at your face rather then at the camera? That way if you&#8217;re sideways to the camera the IR will still bounce off your face towards the camera &#8211; directed LEDs would be pointing off the same direction you&#8217;re looking and your profile could be visible to the camera. Harder to achieve though.</p>
<p>And use high power LEDs, kids.</p>
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		<title>By: Nitori</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nitori]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 20:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[He didn&#039;t use high brightness LEDs in pulse mode.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If he used a luxeon IR LED the results would have been different.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Also an IR laser out of a CD burner might work well too but this is dangerous since a near infrared laser powerful enough to kill a camera also can fry someone&#039;s retinas.&lt;br&gt;BTW cameras in theory should have a second weakness they do tend to be scanned like tvs the analog kind anyway so maybe transmitting an RF pulse that looks like a sync signal could mess it up.&lt;br&gt;The digital kind maybe try and make the pulse looks like the signal encoding for USB or ethernet.&lt;br&gt; 802.11 wireless cams would be far easier to jam then any wireless cameras you wouldn&#039;t even have to bother with LEDs just 3 watts worth of white noise on the 2.4GHz ISM band should do the job.&lt;br&gt;Other frequencies of interest 2.45GHz and 900mhz for analog wireless cameras.&lt;br&gt;I also wonder if near UV also could be used instead of IR though this would make many materials fluoresce.&lt;br&gt;BTW this kinda reminds me of the optical jamming used in the tv show Phantom 2040.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He didn&#8217;t use high brightness LEDs in pulse mode.</p>
<p>If he used a luxeon IR LED the results would have been different.</p>
<p>Also an IR laser out of a CD burner might work well too but this is dangerous since a near infrared laser powerful enough to kill a camera also can fry someone&#8217;s retinas.<br />BTW cameras in theory should have a second weakness they do tend to be scanned like tvs the analog kind anyway so maybe transmitting an RF pulse that looks like a sync signal could mess it up.<br />The digital kind maybe try and make the pulse looks like the signal encoding for USB or ethernet.<br /> 802.11 wireless cams would be far easier to jam then any wireless cameras you wouldn&#8217;t even have to bother with LEDs just 3 watts worth of white noise on the 2.4GHz ISM band should do the job.<br />Other frequencies of interest 2.45GHz and 900mhz for analog wireless cameras.<br />I also wonder if near UV also could be used instead of IR though this would make many materials fluoresce.<br />BTW this kinda reminds me of the optical jamming used in the tv show Phantom 2040.</p>
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		<title>By: Haku</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/08/27/testing-ir-camera-blocking/comment-page-1/#comment-41299</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Haku]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 03:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ok, so I put 12 high intensity 5mm IR LEDs on some breadboard (had more LEDs but 12 seemed reasonable), got a few of my CCD cameras out, held the breadboard to my forehead and made this 1 minute video:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2y3HWR3NMDQ&amp;fmt=18&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2y3HWR3NMDQ&amp;fmt=18&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Filmed in low light conditions (that&#039;s a streetlight in the window).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The first camera is a colour Sony 0.5 LUX CCD bullet camera, with it&#039;s standard IR filter.&lt;br&gt;The second camera is an identical bullet camera but I removed the IR filter from the CCD.&lt;br&gt;The third camera iw a black/white 0.04 LUX camera just thrown in out of curiosity.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As for hiding your face from cameras with IR filters? I&#039;d hazard a guess that is&#039;s possible but you&#039;d probably need a significant amount of high intensity wide angle IR LEDs surrounding your face. I could have a stab at the &#039;problem&#039; further but I&#039;d rather spend time sticking the IR LEDs and a camera to my Sony LCD glasses - instant nightvision goggles!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, so I put 12 high intensity 5mm IR LEDs on some breadboard (had more LEDs but 12 seemed reasonable), got a few of my CCD cameras out, held the breadboard to my forehead and made this 1 minute video:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2y3HWR3NMDQ&#038;fmt=18" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2y3HWR3NMDQ&#038;fmt=18</a></p>
<p>Filmed in low light conditions (that&#8217;s a streetlight in the window).</p>
<p>The first camera is a colour Sony 0.5 LUX CCD bullet camera, with it&#8217;s standard IR filter.<br />The second camera is an identical bullet camera but I removed the IR filter from the CCD.<br />The third camera iw a black/white 0.04 LUX camera just thrown in out of curiosity.</p>
<p>As for hiding your face from cameras with IR filters? I&#8217;d hazard a guess that is&#8217;s possible but you&#8217;d probably need a significant amount of high intensity wide angle IR LEDs surrounding your face. I could have a stab at the &#8216;problem&#8217; further but I&#8217;d rather spend time sticking the IR LEDs and a camera to my Sony LCD glasses &#8211; instant nightvision goggles!</p>
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		<title>By: therian</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[therian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 06:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[he should bend LEDs in different directions]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>he should bend LEDs in different directions</p>
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		<title>By: charlie</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/08/27/testing-ir-camera-blocking/comment-page-1/#comment-41297</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[charlie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 05:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[wtf!!??  my post was here for a minute and then gone.  try again:&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/charliefreck/ir2.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/charliefreck/ir2.jpg&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/charliefreck/ir1.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/charliefreck/ir1.jpg&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wtf!!??  my post was here for a minute and then gone.  try again:<br /><a href="http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/charliefreck/ir2.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/charliefreck/ir2.jpg</a><br /><a href="http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/charliefreck/ir1.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/charliefreck/ir1.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: charlie</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/08/27/testing-ir-camera-blocking/comment-page-1/#comment-41296</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[charlie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 05:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[this guy is an idiot.  and this is how it&#039;s done:&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/charliefreck/ir2.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/charliefreck/ir2.jpg&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/charliefreck/ir1.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/charliefreck/ir1.jpg&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;two standard 5mm ir leds.  digikey part #475-1112-ND.  they are running at like half the rated amperage.(of 100ma)  i taped one on each side of my glasses.  picture taken with security camera in nightvision mode from like 100 feet away.  :p]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this guy is an idiot.  and this is how it&#8217;s done:<br /><a href="http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/charliefreck/ir2.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/charliefreck/ir2.jpg</a><br /><a href="http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/charliefreck/ir1.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/charliefreck/ir1.jpg</a><br />two standard 5mm ir leds.  digikey part #475-1112-ND.  they are running at like half the rated amperage.(of 100ma)  i taped one on each side of my glasses.  picture taken with security camera in nightvision mode from like 100 feet away.  :p</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 03:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Using an IR camera in nightmode and non-reflective materials will hide your face.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Using an IR camera in nightmode and non-reflective materials will hide your face.</p>
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		<title>By: bubba</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 03:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well the people calling this guy an idiot should really show us how its done.... please.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well the people calling this guy an idiot should really show us how its done&#8230;. please.</p>
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		<title>By: BigD145</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BigD145]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 22:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[anyone that says the camera is at fault, is seriously not thinking in the right direction. As a hacker, you do not have control over the camera used. with that said, he definitely has no idea how to find quality IR LED&#039;s. the ones he&#039;s using are inefficient at outputting the maximum ir spectrum.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anyone that says the camera is at fault, is seriously not thinking in the right direction. As a hacker, you do not have control over the camera used. with that said, he definitely has no idea how to find quality IR LED&#8217;s. the ones he&#8217;s using are inefficient at outputting the maximum ir spectrum.</p>
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