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	<title>Comments on: How-to: Thermite hard drive destruction</title>
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		<title>By: PiNG</title>
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		<dc:creator>PiNG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 03:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Aaron
Your right...this was done on the broken years ago. Only they used a laptop.
http://revision3.com/thebroken/ep3</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Aaron<br />
Your right&#8230;this was done on the broken years ago. Only they used a laptop.<br />
<a href="http://revision3.com/thebroken/ep3" rel="nofollow">http://revision3.com/thebroken/ep3</a></p>
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		<title>By: ak77</title>
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		<dc:creator>ak77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 00:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to the examples above: Flowerpot (mostly) pwns Thermite. Although I did see a couple of cracked examples, the leakage is generally through the hole in the bottom.

Perhaps put HDD in a long planter pot (like a window box), to contain the reaction?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to the examples above: Flowerpot (mostly) pwns Thermite. Although I did see a couple of cracked examples, the leakage is generally through the hole in the bottom.</p>
<p>Perhaps put HDD in a long planter pot (like a window box), to contain the reaction?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Fruzzetti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Fruzzetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 05:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@threepointone dude whoah hold on... you mix a huge block of ice with a sealed fire box or whatever and you get a massive bomb complete with shrapnel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@threepointone dude whoah hold on&#8230; you mix a huge block of ice with a sealed fire box or whatever and you get a massive bomb complete with shrapnel.</p>
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		<title>By: mastermac</title>
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		<dc:creator>mastermac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>excellent experiment. several points in response to comments:

1. aluminum and aluminum oxide are toxic to humans. don&#039;t breathe it. don&#039;t eat it. that said, using thermite to destroy an HD presents less toxic materials into the environment than the process of making the PC and chassis to begin with, so get a grip, get a life, and don&#039;t buy any more computers if you&#039;re so worried about it.

2. thermite itself is not considered an explosive although it will sputter molten metal in a semi-explosive manner. however, thermite in combination with sulphur, copper and/or magnesium can be used as an explosive. further, the explosive bolts NASA uses for decoupling rocket stages are thermite. further, thermate is explosive, and nano-thermate is highly explosive.

3. the military and intel dispose of HDs in two ways: strong magnetic fields (strong enough to actually warp the platters) and incinerators. acid might be used too, idk.

4. of course it was an inside job, see &quot;The Ghost in the Machines: Evidence of Foreknowledge in the WTC Hard Drive Recoveries&quot; http://journalof911studies.com/volume/2008/GhostWTC.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>excellent experiment. several points in response to comments:</p>
<p>1. aluminum and aluminum oxide are toxic to humans. don&#8217;t breathe it. don&#8217;t eat it. that said, using thermite to destroy an HD presents less toxic materials into the environment than the process of making the PC and chassis to begin with, so get a grip, get a life, and don&#8217;t buy any more computers if you&#8217;re so worried about it.</p>
<p>2. thermite itself is not considered an explosive although it will sputter molten metal in a semi-explosive manner. however, thermite in combination with sulphur, copper and/or magnesium can be used as an explosive. further, the explosive bolts NASA uses for decoupling rocket stages are thermite. further, thermate is explosive, and nano-thermate is highly explosive.</p>
<p>3. the military and intel dispose of HDs in two ways: strong magnetic fields (strong enough to actually warp the platters) and incinerators. acid might be used too, idk.</p>
<p>4. of course it was an inside job, see &#8220;The Ghost in the Machines: Evidence of Foreknowledge in the WTC Hard Drive Recoveries&#8221; <a href="http://journalof911studies.com/volume/2008/GhostWTC.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://journalof911studies.com/volume/2008/GhostWTC.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: owlland</title>
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		<dc:creator>owlland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i am not sure how well this  would work but why not have a container of Acid above HDs . break container when needed  to destroy HD. ?????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i am not sure how well this  would work but why not have a container of Acid above HDs . break container when needed  to destroy HD. ?????</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 02:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of you people are fucking stupid.

The rest of you, I admire your intelligence and cunning originality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of you people are fucking stupid.</p>
<p>The rest of you, I admire your intelligence and cunning originality.</p>
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		<title>By: NOdaddy.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>NOdaddy.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 03:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>toss HD into deep spot in ocean: drive unrecoverable and data destroyed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>toss HD into deep spot in ocean: drive unrecoverable and data destroyed</p>
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		<title>By: greenman</title>
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		<dc:creator>greenman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey! thermite = heat = GLOBAL WARMING!!  (duh)</description>
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		<title>By: Aura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 02:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with PacoBell, anyone here who believes the thermite creates toxic crap should go back to school... seriously I learned this stuff at 14. No by-products are produced into the air through this. The intense heat however could pose a problem with the metal, but in all honesty, its negligable.

On the data recovery side, I&#039;ve done some data recovery, I&#039;ve written encryptions, I&#039;ve read up on the history of data recovery/encryption/etc, I&#039;ve put a lot of effort into researching forensics of computers as this was at one point what I wanted to do for a career. So, taking that all into consideration, I know a fair bit about recovery methods ;) First off, formatting or any software methods for that matter are utterly useless, given enough time you could easily get data back, the only encryption that can perfectly secure data is a One Time Pad, however its just dumb to even consider using one (Wikipedia it if you want to know why)... drilling/sawing/smashing a hard drive into tiny peices is as useful as handing a passworded drive to a PC geek. On a 500GB HDD, a square cm of HDD would give you many gigabytes of data... Degaussing is a good method (which someone mentioned), basically destroying the magnetic field via heat or intense magnetic radiation, there is no logical or theoretical method for recovering data in these cases, so a lot of places do this. Finally, the government and &quot;secret&quot; organisations generally prefer total destruction of a hard drive by using similar things to thermite, purely because whilst no theoretical method exists for degaussed data recovery, its possible someone could find a way some day (and then theres those paranoid people who believe the government can do it but won&#039;t admit it). You&#039;ll also need to completely destroy the RAM, as its been proven that data can be recovered from RAM under certain condition (I believe they extracted data from RAM some 50 hours after the PC was powered off).

At the end of the day, the simple rule of thumb is don&#039;t be a dumbass, stay out of trouble... don&#039;t get caught ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with PacoBell, anyone here who believes the thermite creates toxic crap should go back to school&#8230; seriously I learned this stuff at 14. No by-products are produced into the air through this. The intense heat however could pose a problem with the metal, but in all honesty, its negligable.</p>
<p>On the data recovery side, I&#8217;ve done some data recovery, I&#8217;ve written encryptions, I&#8217;ve read up on the history of data recovery/encryption/etc, I&#8217;ve put a lot of effort into researching forensics of computers as this was at one point what I wanted to do for a career. So, taking that all into consideration, I know a fair bit about recovery methods ;) First off, formatting or any software methods for that matter are utterly useless, given enough time you could easily get data back, the only encryption that can perfectly secure data is a One Time Pad, however its just dumb to even consider using one (Wikipedia it if you want to know why)&#8230; drilling/sawing/smashing a hard drive into tiny peices is as useful as handing a passworded drive to a PC geek. On a 500GB HDD, a square cm of HDD would give you many gigabytes of data&#8230; Degaussing is a good method (which someone mentioned), basically destroying the magnetic field via heat or intense magnetic radiation, there is no logical or theoretical method for recovering data in these cases, so a lot of places do this. Finally, the government and &#8220;secret&#8221; organisations generally prefer total destruction of a hard drive by using similar things to thermite, purely because whilst no theoretical method exists for degaussed data recovery, its possible someone could find a way some day (and then theres those paranoid people who believe the government can do it but won&#8217;t admit it). You&#8217;ll also need to completely destroy the RAM, as its been proven that data can be recovered from RAM under certain condition (I believe they extracted data from RAM some 50 hours after the PC was powered off).</p>
<p>At the end of the day, the simple rule of thumb is don&#8217;t be a dumbass, stay out of trouble&#8230; don&#8217;t get caught ;)</p>
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		<title>By: PacoBell</title>
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		<dc:creator>PacoBell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 19:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gawd! The number of would-be amateur woodchuck chemists/enviro-wackos here decrying the deplorable emission of mythical vapors here is truly deserving of a facepalm for the whole human race. For the last time, the thermite reaction itself produces no harmful offgassing, be it formaldehyde, lead, arsenic, etc. By the laws of science, you can&#039;t spontaneously generate elements that aren&#039;t part of the reaction. Now, if the entire destruction apparatus was enclosed in an appropriate ceramic crucible and isolated from the rest of the components, the peripheral components (i.e. drive controller PCB) may not even produce significant detrimental byproducts. And who&#039;s to say that even those gasses/particulates won&#039;t be sequestered within the molten metal?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gawd! The number of would-be amateur woodchuck chemists/enviro-wackos here decrying the deplorable emission of mythical vapors here is truly deserving of a facepalm for the whole human race. For the last time, the thermite reaction itself produces no harmful offgassing, be it formaldehyde, lead, arsenic, etc. By the laws of science, you can&#8217;t spontaneously generate elements that aren&#8217;t part of the reaction. Now, if the entire destruction apparatus was enclosed in an appropriate ceramic crucible and isolated from the rest of the components, the peripheral components (i.e. drive controller PCB) may not even produce significant detrimental byproducts. And who&#8217;s to say that even those gasses/particulates won&#8217;t be sequestered within the molten metal?</p>
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		<title>By: ModZilla</title>
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		<dc:creator>ModZilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>with any combustion there are gases, although they are not inert, they are stored not in a green house but in the ambient airflow, particulate matter is more of a threat to air quality within the danger zone, unless you live in LA or Denver; as a direct product of such combustion-the main threat is the byproduct of any combustable which is H20, being that its not pure and may have traces of formaldehyde, heavy mtls such as lead, white metal and a little arsenic which is everywhere these days, not good! Why spread it around?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>with any combustion there are gases, although they are not inert, they are stored not in a green house but in the ambient airflow, particulate matter is more of a threat to air quality within the danger zone, unless you live in LA or Denver; as a direct product of such combustion-the main threat is the byproduct of any combustable which is H20, being that its not pure and may have traces of formaldehyde, heavy mtls such as lead, white metal and a little arsenic which is everywhere these days, not good! Why spread it around?</p>
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		<title>By: ModZilla</title>
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		<dc:creator>ModZilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>workaround for spewing all this fire and brimstone just to fry a disk platter is: a nice five and half pound sledge, using the wedge end of course, be sure to invert the drive before stiking! Try it =&gt; go green...:)MZ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>workaround for spewing all this fire and brimstone just to fry a disk platter is: a nice five and half pound sledge, using the wedge end of course, be sure to invert the drive before stiking! Try it =&gt; go green&#8230;:)MZ</p>
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		<title>By: jimbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>jimbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 04:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will this void the hd warranty?</description>
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		<title>By: Tubbo &#38; Dubba Tubba</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tubbo &#38; Dubba Tubba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 00:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THAT.  IS.  AMAZING.  (Insert sarcasm here.)</description>
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		<title>By: sigh</title>
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		<dc:creator>sigh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 11:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheers mate. Hopefully that shuts people up</description>
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