Comments on: ATM skimmers with SMS

By: darkforum

darkforum — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 15:47:26 +0000

Yes, the SMS feature was a wonderfull development in the last 3 years in this business.
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Do not imagine that a real vendor is working from a free US email address….

By: daem0nsk33per

daem0nsk33per — Thu, 18 Dec 2008 08:51:07 +0000

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By: Vengeance is Mine

Vengeance is Mine — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:13:18 +0000

Thieves suck.

The murderer who hung on the cross next to Jesus repented and was saved.

The thief grumbled, blamed the world, and went to Hell.

The answer to these criminals is as follows:

Suppress all phone and radio waves within the area so only a land line works. Think Faraday Cage.

Build better ATM machines that sense when something touches their face and takes a picture. Then you have the baddy. Also disable the machine with a warning on the screen. I’ve been hacked, push off.

Sue the ATM and/or bank for not providing security such as cameras. They don’t mind snapping pics of US. Why not THEM? One the ATM companies whose fault this really is, have to start reimbursing victims for their cheesy product failing to protect the public trust, they will join the fight or perish from lack of it.

Good riddance to those who do not fight.

A cross awaits you thieves.

By: jonhnathon

jonhnathon — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 18:28:04 +0000

Man that to me is just amazing. I hate that peopl do it but to have a company that helps out criminals Is kinda new to me. But I was wondering where could I get one of those at.

By: jeb

jeb — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:24:14 +0000

I like the proximity sensor idea, combine that with a trap door that lets out a horde of feral badgers and you’ve got a win.

By: spiders88

spiders88 — Sun, 12 Oct 2008 15:49:16 +0000

in holland they’ve put a new part over the card-slot, don’t really “know” what it is, but i think its a procsimmity sensor (sorry for bad english), that way a atm simply stops working if anything is in front of the card-slot…

By: Emperor

Emperor — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:38:38 +0000

In South Africa, the banks have started installing JITTER, which makes it impossible for skimming devices to function properly. It makes the card slot vibrate at different frequencies each time. The vibration casues the card to move forward and backward, confusing the hell out of any skimming device and since JITTER uses random vibrating frequencies each time (and changes it every second, causing different vibrations in the same card), the skimmer is left with absolute crap.

By: spacecoyote

spacecoyote — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 03:12:04 +0000

Fight SMS with SMS. Have your bank SMS you whenever your balance changes (some banks do this already).

By: Chris

Chris — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 21:08:09 +0000

No, the lexan thing would work. If people knew that it had to be a smooth lexan sheet, then none of the superficial skimmers would work, it’s a whole different story if they have access to the internals, and skimmers are the least of your worries. Wait. If you had a skimmer that was an entire lexan sheet…. then the touchpad keypad wouldn’t work. I think that this actually is a solid answer. It won’t start until skimming goes huge, but its good to know there are options.

@stephen… not really. There have been skimmers on push-pull machines. All they have to do is have a secondary housing 1/2″ thicker around one spot. And camera’s aren’t all that much of a deterrent to this type of crime (gas station camera’s, atleast. Casino camera’s / eye in the sky can get a clear shot of the face, and you can’t walk into a casino wearing a mask.)

By: Stephen

Stephen — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 20:09:13 +0000

First off, I only go to my bank to use my atm card. Ours have a manual reader, push the card into and then pull it out. No place to place a skimmer. A lot of the major banks here are using that method now, as well as gas pump readers. Most of which also have cameras watching everything. Interesting reading though.

By: gor

gor — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 13:56:43 +0000

vigilance is the price of freedom from such forms of theft and fraud…

By: jaded

jaded — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 02:51:33 +0000

@circs: In the US, credit cards have a $50 liability (if you follow their rules regarding reporting, etc.) but debit cards offer no such protection. A thief could clean out your bank account with one of these and you would simply be poorer. Some banks will honor a sworn affidavit and repay your money, but they are under no legal obligation to do so. Other countries have other laws regarding limitations, of course. That’s why checks, check-cards, and debit cards are horrible financial instruments, and are worse in the hands of ignorant people.

And to everyone who thinks there is an easy technical solution to these problems (stripe encryption, Lexan, vertical swipe readers, chip and stripe, near-field-RF, etc.) you’re unfortunately wrong. There are a large number of security professionals attempting to find ways to stop these people, but none of the effective ways are “backwards compatible” with the people who have to use them. (That’s my polite way of saying too many people are too stupid to learn another way to use a credit card.) Many are too stupid to spot a skimmer glued to a glass plate, especially when that skimmer has a Wells Fargo logo with a “Swipe card here” sticker on it.

The problem is credit cards became “easy to use”, and anything that makes them “harder to use” will not be a commercial success. Unfortunately, that ease came without a single thought towards security.

By: Circs

Circs — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 01:06:34 +0000

@groeber: Bye, won’t miss you.

@gstar: You fail at forming a coherent thought.

@cde: nice find, figured they would exist.

Oi, this is a pretty interesting nut to crack.

I have to say I very easily could have been had by this sort of trickery and I’m fairly vigilant.

However I’m going to ask the obvious question: How come the banks aren’t keeping an eye on this? Let’s say you’re one of the banks with 0% fraud liability, that means the money they stole comes right out of your pocket.

Just a thought.

By: draeath

draeath — Wed, 08 Oct 2008 21:47:59 +0000

@skeat:
Whats a blue furry? Is it related to the other furries?

By: Morgan Storey

Morgan Storey — Wed, 08 Oct 2008 21:43:24 +0000

Even if it is PKI then the data on it can still be cloned as a mag strip can’t do a challenge response. So you just clone the key stored on the card and it is still yours. The lexen cover would kindda work, but you still need to stick your card somewhere and then they just put suction cups on the back of the reader and stick it to the outside of the lexen cover.
A screen like old ATM’s had would be better, that only opens when someone comes near, when the screen closes the atm could scan its surface for any anomolies from skimmers to number pad covers.