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		<title>By: Marc Schlesinger</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/10/14/microcontroller-powered-missile-launch-controller/comment-page-2/#comment-75521</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc Schlesinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 22:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WOW,  I would love to buy one of these!  Any chance you are building them to sell?

Also would be nice to have a launch timer. Press the button and a countdown starts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW,  I would love to buy one of these!  Any chance you are building them to sell?</p>
<p>Also would be nice to have a launch timer. Press the button and a countdown starts.</p>
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		<title>By: Jahir Kamal</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/10/14/microcontroller-powered-missile-launch-controller/comment-page-2/#comment-71965</link>
		<dc:creator>Jahir Kamal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 13:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to such a make a missile launch controller. It&#039;s my dream. This blog help for me.

Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to such a make a missile launch controller. It&#8217;s my dream. This blog help for me.</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Opasina</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/10/14/microcontroller-powered-missile-launch-controller/comment-page-2/#comment-63284</link>
		<dc:creator>Opasina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 14:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i want to do something on rocket control but i have no circuit, pls help</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i want to do something on rocket control but i have no circuit, pls help</p>
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		<title>By: Opasina</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/10/14/microcontroller-powered-missile-launch-controller/comment-page-2/#comment-63120</link>
		<dc:creator>Opasina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 10:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pls i want to be part of this forum</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pls i want to be part of this forum</p>
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		<title>By: Desiredefx</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/10/14/microcontroller-powered-missile-launch-controller/comment-page-2/#comment-47545</link>
		<dc:creator>Desiredefx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 14:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I can just picture using one of these to turn on my computer, especially for my laptop while going through airport security, or while sitting on a plane and bringing out the box.  Time to make my own</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I can just picture using one of these to turn on my computer, especially for my laptop while going through airport security, or while sitting on a plane and bringing out the box.  Time to make my own</p>
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		<title>By: kurf</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/10/14/microcontroller-powered-missile-launch-controller/comment-page-1/#comment-46120</link>
		<dc:creator>kurf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 03:34:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To make this project a little more interesting I would add a keypad, to enter in launch codes of course. I think I missed something about the output of the box, what type of signal is required to launch the rocket?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To make this project a little more interesting I would add a keypad, to enter in launch codes of course. I think I missed something about the output of the box, what type of signal is required to launch the rocket?</p>
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		<title>By: Josef Jahn</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/10/14/microcontroller-powered-missile-launch-controller/comment-page-1/#comment-45864</link>
		<dc:creator>Josef Jahn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 07:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@joer: As I said above, the first main switch removes all power. You can drop it as much as you like, you can short-circuit the relay, as long as you don&#039;t switch on the first safety switch nothing will happen.

For the box to launch prematurely, you have to have TWO failing components: The relay AND the first safety switch. So there&#039;s no single point of failure.

Also, I think you guys should keep things in perspective: This box is meant for model rockets. What if water gets into your &quot;Estes&quot; ignition trigger and shorts the contacts? What if you drop that &quot;Aerotech&quot; launch box, it falls apart (which it does quite easily) and the right pieces of metal come together?  There&#039;s definitely an end to what you can prevent. The idea is to not have a single point of failure, i.e. don&#039;t rely solely on a relay, don&#039;t rely entirely on software, always require at least two different actions to be taken for a launch to happen (i.e. not just one single pushbutton)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@joer: As I said above, the first main switch removes all power. You can drop it as much as you like, you can short-circuit the relay, as long as you don&#8217;t switch on the first safety switch nothing will happen.</p>
<p>For the box to launch prematurely, you have to have TWO failing components: The relay AND the first safety switch. So there&#8217;s no single point of failure.</p>
<p>Also, I think you guys should keep things in perspective: This box is meant for model rockets. What if water gets into your &#8220;Estes&#8221; ignition trigger and shorts the contacts? What if you drop that &#8220;Aerotech&#8221; launch box, it falls apart (which it does quite easily) and the right pieces of metal come together?  There&#8217;s definitely an end to what you can prevent. The idea is to not have a single point of failure, i.e. don&#8217;t rely solely on a relay, don&#8217;t rely entirely on software, always require at least two different actions to be taken for a launch to happen (i.e. not just one single pushbutton)</p>
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		<title>By: joer</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/10/14/microcontroller-powered-missile-launch-controller/comment-page-1/#comment-45832</link>
		<dc:creator>joer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 01:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree in part with sparky. If you dropped the device the relay may (although nearly impossible) trigger. However this could easily be overcome by using Solid State Relays.

I know this would never happen but i was just wondering, is there any safety device in place in case the device did develop a fault? I mean if for example water got in the unit and shorted the relay contacts making it activate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree in part with sparky. If you dropped the device the relay may (although nearly impossible) trigger. However this could easily be overcome by using Solid State Relays.</p>
<p>I know this would never happen but i was just wondering, is there any safety device in place in case the device did develop a fault? I mean if for example water got in the unit and shorted the relay contacts making it activate?</p>
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		<title>By: Josef Jahn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josef Jahn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@bearsinthesea:

I&#039;ve posted the sourcecode, along with answers to your questions, here: http://www.playspoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=33</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@bearsinthesea:</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve posted the sourcecode, along with answers to your questions, here: <a href="http://www.playspoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=33" rel="nofollow">http://www.playspoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=33</a></p>
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		<title>By: bearsinthesea</title>
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		<dc:creator>bearsinthesea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>excellent looking interface! I can integrate this into a project i have now.

Could you possibly add some extra info?
- post the software
- list the sources/part #s for the switches, covers, and button
- what were the considerations in picking the PLED? Was it easy to use? 

Harnessing the power of the internet, does any other reader have a reliable source for PLED displays? Do they all take a lot of power? I need a day-time readable output.

Thanks for the great write-up. Slick project!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>excellent looking interface! I can integrate this into a project i have now.</p>
<p>Could you possibly add some extra info?<br />
- post the software<br />
- list the sources/part #s for the switches, covers, and button<br />
- what were the considerations in picking the PLED? Was it easy to use? </p>
<p>Harnessing the power of the internet, does any other reader have a reliable source for PLED displays? Do they all take a lot of power? I need a day-time readable output.</p>
<p>Thanks for the great write-up. Slick project!</p>
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		<title>By: snide</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is kindof cute. I think if I were to build something like this I&#039;d have added a keypad to enter a password (PIN), and a microphone to check the voice print.

Keys as mentioned above are a great idea, but like modern cars, don&#039;t forget to add some kind of passive RFID system (different from the one from TI that was cracked a few years ago).

And one more thing - a local destruct mechanism to punish those who misuse the device. Poison gas, perhaps; we don&#039;t want to harm the device.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is kindof cute. I think if I were to build something like this I&#8217;d have added a keypad to enter a password (PIN), and a microphone to check the voice print.</p>
<p>Keys as mentioned above are a great idea, but like modern cars, don&#8217;t forget to add some kind of passive RFID system (different from the one from TI that was cracked a few years ago).</p>
<p>And one more thing &#8211; a local destruct mechanism to punish those who misuse the device. Poison gas, perhaps; we don&#8217;t want to harm the device.</p>
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		<title>By: Emanuel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emanuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would be nice if it needed two keys to be used on it simultaneously just for the thing to turn on. Then use the three switches or 2, and make the two keys turn it on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would be nice if it needed two keys to be used on it simultaneously just for the thing to turn on. Then use the three switches or 2, and make the two keys turn it on.</p>
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		<title>By: Josef Jahn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josef Jahn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@fartface:

Quote from http://www.osddisplays.com/pled.php

&quot;Recently several of the world&#039;s largest PLED panel manufacturers have announced their withdrawal from PLED production because of financial reasons. The withdrawal of these suppliers will have a direct effect on the availability of critical components that sustain OSD&#039;s PLED module production.&quot;



Quote from http://www.lcdforums.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=17963

&quot;Due to our PLED (Polymeric Light Emitting Diode) supplier announcing that they are no longer going
to be manufacturing this technology, we, Matrix Orbital, hereby submit this letter to inform you that we
must discontinue all of our products that use PLED technology. 
...
Please note that PLED technology will be discontinued throughout the entire industry. It does not only
affect Matrix Orbital.&quot;




If you have any links to places where I can get monochrome PLED (not OLED) character and/or graphical displays, please do post them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@fartface:</p>
<p>Quote from <a href="http://www.osddisplays.com/pled.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.osddisplays.com/pled.php</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Recently several of the world&#8217;s largest PLED panel manufacturers have announced their withdrawal from PLED production because of financial reasons. The withdrawal of these suppliers will have a direct effect on the availability of critical components that sustain OSD&#8217;s PLED module production.&#8221;</p>
<p>Quote from <a href="http://www.lcdforums.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=17963" rel="nofollow">http://www.lcdforums.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=17963</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Due to our PLED (Polymeric Light Emitting Diode) supplier announcing that they are no longer going<br />
to be manufacturing this technology, we, Matrix Orbital, hereby submit this letter to inform you that we<br />
must discontinue all of our products that use PLED technology.<br />
&#8230;<br />
Please note that PLED technology will be discontinued throughout the entire industry. It does not only<br />
affect Matrix Orbital.&#8221;</p>
<p>If you have any links to places where I can get monochrome PLED (not OLED) character and/or graphical displays, please do post them!</p>
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		<title>By: fartface</title>
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		<dc:creator>fartface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rare PLED display?  Huh?

I can buy them from several places.  how the hell is something that is readily available rare?

I have some rare ardunio kits I&#039;d like to sell for top dollar!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rare PLED display?  Huh?</p>
<p>I can buy them from several places.  how the hell is something that is readily available rare?</p>
<p>I have some rare ardunio kits I&#8217;d like to sell for top dollar!</p>
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		<title>By: Josef Jahn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josef Jahn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sparky: There&#039;s a very simple and foolproof way of ensuring that neither a sticky relay contact nor any software problem can cause a premature launch:

Switch 1 removes all power from the device. It is a safety switch that you will have a hard time toggling by accident - and even if you can do that, you still have to have a software failure and/or a problem with the relay *at the same time*.

So really, I see no problem there. Of course you could use a second port of the controller to switch a second relay. But the most important safety feature is the ability to physically remove power and thus override any individual software or relay problem.

As it is now, you should only enable switch 1 if you are ready to launch, just as you disable the safety of a gun only when you&#039;re about to fire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sparky: There&#8217;s a very simple and foolproof way of ensuring that neither a sticky relay contact nor any software problem can cause a premature launch:</p>
<p>Switch 1 removes all power from the device. It is a safety switch that you will have a hard time toggling by accident &#8211; and even if you can do that, you still have to have a software failure and/or a problem with the relay *at the same time*.</p>
<p>So really, I see no problem there. Of course you could use a second port of the controller to switch a second relay. But the most important safety feature is the ability to physically remove power and thus override any individual software or relay problem.</p>
<p>As it is now, you should only enable switch 1 if you are ready to launch, just as you disable the safety of a gun only when you&#8217;re about to fire.</p>
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