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		<title>By: ferm</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/10/23/open-up-and-say-eureka/comment-page-2/#comment-47832</link>
		<dc:creator>ferm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>for some reason i keep coming back here, looking at it, thinking it&#039;s a skin ball w/ a screen. kind of like a nut.</description>
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		<title>By: pt</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/10/23/open-up-and-say-eureka/comment-page-2/#comment-47778</link>
		<dc:creator>pt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 21:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@eliot - my previous comment is now showing up, all good!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@eliot &#8211; my previous comment is now showing up, all good!</p>
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		<title>By: Haku</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/10/23/open-up-and-say-eureka/comment-page-1/#comment-47716</link>
		<dc:creator>Haku</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 00:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I meant by &quot;killer app&quot; for the Chumby was that I didn&#039;t see any one or two widgets that would give that &quot;I must have a Chumby so I can use that/those widget(s)&quot;, the kind of widget that would draw users in and then they discover a bunch of other widgets they like immensely. Maybe I&#039;m not the target audience for a Chumby *shrug*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I meant by &#8220;killer app&#8221; for the Chumby was that I didn&#8217;t see any one or two widgets that would give that &#8220;I must have a Chumby so I can use that/those widget(s)&#8221;, the kind of widget that would draw users in and then they discover a bunch of other widgets they like immensely. Maybe I&#8217;m not the target audience for a Chumby *shrug*</p>
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		<title>By: Eliot Phillips</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/10/23/open-up-and-say-eureka/comment-page-1/#comment-47695</link>
		<dc:creator>Eliot Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 20:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@pt are you talking about the 4th comment above that&#039;s yours or was there another link list you put together? Akismet holds multi-URL comments for approval and I approve them as soon as I see them. Is there a missing comment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@pt are you talking about the 4th comment above that&#8217;s yours or was there another link list you put together? Akismet holds multi-URL comments for approval and I approve them as soon as I see them. Is there a missing comment?</p>
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		<title>By: pt</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/10/23/open-up-and-say-eureka/comment-page-1/#comment-47598</link>
		<dc:creator>pt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 22:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@hooooooooorj - the link to make here goes to mahalo instead of MAKE, and the MAKE magazine page at mahalo has a &quot;myspace page&quot; that goes to some company/person that has nothing to do with MAKE. 

most of the links in the post about open source hardware here go to mahalo which isn&#039;t really helpful, for example why link to chumby, but send people to mahalo and not the open source information on chumby on their site?

a commenter here asked for a list of projects and my post was never published (maybe it had too many links).

i think most would agree that it’s probably good for the health of the web and specifically this example to have the open source hardware links and resources go to the proper places, but if there is some type of requirement on the authors to only link to mahalo since hack-a-day is part of mahalo, if that&#039;s true it&#039;s fine but a little disclosure would be nice (my disclosure, i founded hackaday, i&#039;m senior editor at make and we are also going to do an advertising campaign with hackaday soon). i&#039;d like to see the site be the best possible resource and support it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@hooooooooorj &#8211; the link to make here goes to mahalo instead of MAKE, and the MAKE magazine page at mahalo has a &#8220;myspace page&#8221; that goes to some company/person that has nothing to do with MAKE. </p>
<p>most of the links in the post about open source hardware here go to mahalo which isn&#8217;t really helpful, for example why link to chumby, but send people to mahalo and not the open source information on chumby on their site?</p>
<p>a commenter here asked for a list of projects and my post was never published (maybe it had too many links).</p>
<p>i think most would agree that it’s probably good for the health of the web and specifically this example to have the open source hardware links and resources go to the proper places, but if there is some type of requirement on the authors to only link to mahalo since hack-a-day is part of mahalo, if that&#8217;s true it&#8217;s fine but a little disclosure would be nice (my disclosure, i founded hackaday, i&#8217;m senior editor at make and we are also going to do an advertising campaign with hackaday soon). i&#8217;d like to see the site be the best possible resource and support it.</p>
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		<title>By: CalcProgrammer1</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/10/23/open-up-and-say-eureka/comment-page-1/#comment-47583</link>
		<dc:creator>CalcProgrammer1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 20:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Coderer

Wii is now the most open of the consoles, homebrew SDK&#039;s have full hardware access, unlike xna or the PS3&#039;s alternate OS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Coderer</p>
<p>Wii is now the most open of the consoles, homebrew SDK&#8217;s have full hardware access, unlike xna or the PS3&#8217;s alternate OS.</p>
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		<title>By: hooooooooorj</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/10/23/open-up-and-say-eureka/comment-page-1/#comment-47579</link>
		<dc:creator>hooooooooorj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 20:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@pt

When I clicked their link, the Mahalo site had a &quot;Mahalo Top 7&quot;. The official site is 1 (with links also pointing to the magazine, the projects, CRAFT, and subscription info).

I don&#039;t understand your issue.</description>
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<p>When I clicked their link, the Mahalo site had a &#8220;Mahalo Top 7&#8243;. The official site is 1 (with links also pointing to the magazine, the projects, CRAFT, and subscription info).</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand your issue.</p>
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		<title>By: nubie</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/10/23/open-up-and-say-eureka/comment-page-1/#comment-47555</link>
		<dc:creator>nubie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@coderer, Sorry, SD is the only flash I recognize, and Sony memsticks are usually much more expensive (I guess the general drop in flash prices is making this less important, but are there 32GB Memsticks for a reasonable price?)

I don&#039;t know about SMS, it seems to have been abused into a means of creating a generation of socially inept, obsessive compulsive, near autistic young people.  Argue it any way you like, but I think it is a feature that should go away.  It is becoming the only means of communication for millions of young people.  (sure I agree it is up to parents to regulate this, but they don&#039;t seem to be able to.)  As far as sms/chat goes I think that cellphones and &quot;mobile&quot; PDA&#039;s need to get a standard &quot;communication&quot; module and then we don&#039;t pay $500 over and over again for less functionality than a 4 year old laptop.

@Peter, the Openpandora is not &quot;open hardware&quot;, this is true.  But the developer (Micheal Weston, a Canadian), is active in the user forums and has stated his desire to document all connections and has brought out as many of the unused BGA connections on traces as he can.

As for &quot;open&quot; hardware, I think that is pretty much all you can hope for, it is mostly just a Ti OMAP, power/buffering circuitry, and a Wifi/BT chip anyway, not much to document.

They even have it designed to boot off of SD cards if the flash fails (anybody else doing that in their handhelds?)

@Chumby, your control scheme is weird, you cost too much (honestly people, buy a beagleboard and any HDMI/DVI/S-video/Composite screen, it can decode 720p for crying out loud, and has USB for interfacing with controls/sensors/video capture devices/etc.).

I guess it might be interesting to hack, but I can&#039;t stand the way it looks, if it is for hackers all they need is a bare PCB, they don&#039;t pay for fabric and glue wrapped around their hardware.

I may be confusing hardware hacking with the software hacking that chumbo here is designed for, but who cares, it isn&#039;t really a great platform anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@coderer, Sorry, SD is the only flash I recognize, and Sony memsticks are usually much more expensive (I guess the general drop in flash prices is making this less important, but are there 32GB Memsticks for a reasonable price?)</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about SMS, it seems to have been abused into a means of creating a generation of socially inept, obsessive compulsive, near autistic young people.  Argue it any way you like, but I think it is a feature that should go away.  It is becoming the only means of communication for millions of young people.  (sure I agree it is up to parents to regulate this, but they don&#8217;t seem to be able to.)  As far as sms/chat goes I think that cellphones and &#8220;mobile&#8221; PDA&#8217;s need to get a standard &#8220;communication&#8221; module and then we don&#8217;t pay $500 over and over again for less functionality than a 4 year old laptop.</p>
<p>@Peter, the Openpandora is not &#8220;open hardware&#8221;, this is true.  But the developer (Micheal Weston, a Canadian), is active in the user forums and has stated his desire to document all connections and has brought out as many of the unused BGA connections on traces as he can.</p>
<p>As for &#8220;open&#8221; hardware, I think that is pretty much all you can hope for, it is mostly just a Ti OMAP, power/buffering circuitry, and a Wifi/BT chip anyway, not much to document.</p>
<p>They even have it designed to boot off of SD cards if the flash fails (anybody else doing that in their handhelds?)</p>
<p>@Chumby, your control scheme is weird, you cost too much (honestly people, buy a beagleboard and any HDMI/DVI/S-video/Composite screen, it can decode 720p for crying out loud, and has USB for interfacing with controls/sensors/video capture devices/etc.).</p>
<p>I guess it might be interesting to hack, but I can&#8217;t stand the way it looks, if it is for hackers all they need is a bare PCB, they don&#8217;t pay for fabric and glue wrapped around their hardware.</p>
<p>I may be confusing hardware hacking with the software hacking that chumbo here is designed for, but who cares, it isn&#8217;t really a great platform anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Gail</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Come on guys!  Who else out these is coming up with tesla wonders?
Gail  







































































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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come on guys!  Who else out these is coming up with tesla wonders?<br />
Gail  </p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 15:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Openpandora runs open source software, but the hardware itself is not (entirely anyway) open source.</description>
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		<title>By: Coderer</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/10/23/open-up-and-say-eureka/comment-page-1/#comment-47542</link>
		<dc:creator>Coderer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 14:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@nubie: the PSP has a flash card (granted, not SD sadly, but MSPD isn&#039;t *that* much more expensive), and both of the other major home consoles have USB Mass Storage support in one form or another.  Wii is actually the most &quot;closed&quot; system -- Microsoft has XNA and Sony lets you install a guest OS, even if they don&#039;t grant access to all the processing units.  Want to develop for Wii?  Buy a devkit, or learn Flash 7.

As for Chumby -- I see nothing that this does that a Nokia &quot;internet tablet&quot; doesn&#039;t do twice as well, and cheaper.  Wake me up when it&#039;s 40 bucks at Sears.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@nubie: the PSP has a flash card (granted, not SD sadly, but MSPD isn&#8217;t *that* much more expensive), and both of the other major home consoles have USB Mass Storage support in one form or another.  Wii is actually the most &#8220;closed&#8221; system &#8212; Microsoft has XNA and Sony lets you install a guest OS, even if they don&#8217;t grant access to all the processing units.  Want to develop for Wii?  Buy a devkit, or learn Flash 7.</p>
<p>As for Chumby &#8212; I see nothing that this does that a Nokia &#8220;internet tablet&#8221; doesn&#8217;t do twice as well, and cheaper.  Wake me up when it&#8217;s 40 bucks at Sears.</p>
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		<title>By: midiwall</title>
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		<dc:creator>midiwall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 13:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@haku - there doesn’t seem to be any real killer app for it.

Umm, are you expecting a word processor or &quot;Metal Gear Solid: Chumby Fights Back&quot;? :)

Chumby is excellent for getting dynamic information to the user. Monitor a webcam, weather, server up time (with reboot ability!), &quot;Now Playing&quot; type info in a commercial music setting, eBay auctions, flight times, etc.

What are you thinking that you&#039;d like to see on it? There are plenty of Flash folks out there that could write it (if practical for the platform). Or, learn Flash - that&#039;s what I did for a couple of corporate applications.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@haku &#8211; there doesn’t seem to be any real killer app for it.</p>
<p>Umm, are you expecting a word processor or &#8220;Metal Gear Solid: Chumby Fights Back&#8221;? :)</p>
<p>Chumby is excellent for getting dynamic information to the user. Monitor a webcam, weather, server up time (with reboot ability!), &#8220;Now Playing&#8221; type info in a commercial music setting, eBay auctions, flight times, etc.</p>
<p>What are you thinking that you&#8217;d like to see on it? There are plenty of Flash folks out there that could write it (if practical for the platform). Or, learn Flash &#8211; that&#8217;s what I did for a couple of corporate applications.</p>
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		<title>By: pt</title>
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		<dc:creator>pt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 12:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@haku - you can run chumb off a battery, check out the dev forums.</description>
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		<title>By: Haku</title>
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		<dc:creator>Haku</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 12:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been lent a Chumby for a while now, to see what I think of it and what I can do with it, but because I&#039;m not some &quot;l33t linux h4x0r&quot; the only things I&#039;ve been able to do with it is play with the bank of widgets available for it, none of them are inspiring or make me think I want to permanently own a Chumby.
I feel it&#039;s still at a toy level, there doesn&#039;t seem to be any real killer app for it, especially since it&#039;s permanently tethered to the mains, no built-in battery to give it true portability (though there is a PP3 9v battery connector in it&#039;s base, I&#039;ve read it&#039;s all but useless because it just keeps the unit &#039;hibernated&#039; so when you move it somewhere it won&#039;t have to reboot)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been lent a Chumby for a while now, to see what I think of it and what I can do with it, but because I&#8217;m not some &#8220;l33t linux h4&#215;0r&#8221; the only things I&#8217;ve been able to do with it is play with the bank of widgets available for it, none of them are inspiring or make me think I want to permanently own a Chumby.<br />
I feel it&#8217;s still at a toy level, there doesn&#8217;t seem to be any real killer app for it, especially since it&#8217;s permanently tethered to the mains, no built-in battery to give it true portability (though there is a PP3 9v battery connector in it&#8217;s base, I&#8217;ve read it&#8217;s all but useless because it just keeps the unit &#8216;hibernated&#8217; so when you move it somewhere it won&#8217;t have to reboot)</p>
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		<title>By: pom</title>
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		<dc:creator>pom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 11:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ferm has the right of it. Too bad everybody ignores his wisdom :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ferm has the right of it. Too bad everybody ignores his wisdom :(</p>
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