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	<title>Comments on: Parts: 133MHz-16.2kHz programmable oscillator (DS1077)</title>
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		<title>By: ben nguyen</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/11/28/parts-133mhz-162khz-programmable-oscillator-ds1077/comment-page-1/#comment-109267</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ben nguyen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 01:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In case you can&#039;t get the 3.3v &quot;(L)&quot; type..

The 5v ds1077 *might* work with a 3.3v i2c bus... the datasheet says the minimum for logic high is .7 of vcc, and minimum for vcc is 4.75, so the minimum for logic high would be 3.325 if you were to supply vcc at 4.75.   

Of course you&#039;d want to make sure whatever you&#039;re connecting to it can tolerate 5v inputs.

Maxim has the DS1070K / DS3900K kits that could be useful in evaluating these chips:
http://datasheets.maxim-ic.com/en/ds/DS1070K.pdf

And according to this nice comparison sheet, the freq step size,  at a minimum is 5khz.  Which is kinda high if you&#039;re looking for fine tuning low frequencies:
http://pdfserv.maxim-ic.com/en/an/AN230.pdf]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In case you can&#8217;t get the 3.3v &#8220;(L)&#8221; type..</p>
<p>The 5v ds1077 *might* work with a 3.3v i2c bus&#8230; the datasheet says the minimum for logic high is .7 of vcc, and minimum for vcc is 4.75, so the minimum for logic high would be 3.325 if you were to supply vcc at 4.75.   </p>
<p>Of course you&#8217;d want to make sure whatever you&#8217;re connecting to it can tolerate 5v inputs.</p>
<p>Maxim has the DS1070K / DS3900K kits that could be useful in evaluating these chips:<br />
<a href="http://datasheets.maxim-ic.com/en/ds/DS1070K.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://datasheets.maxim-ic.com/en/ds/DS1070K.pdf</a></p>
<p>And according to this nice comparison sheet, the freq step size,  at a minimum is 5khz.  Which is kinda high if you&#8217;re looking for fine tuning low frequencies:<br />
<a href="http://pdfserv.maxim-ic.com/en/an/AN230.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://pdfserv.maxim-ic.com/en/an/AN230.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: tmac</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/11/28/parts-133mhz-162khz-programmable-oscillator-ds1077/comment-page-1/#comment-106373</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tmac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 22:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe it is elementary, but, can someone tell me what the resolution is on this chip. I saw where another similar chip had a 10kc resolution, but did not see resolution for this one.  Im going to try to get mine working with basic stamp first and then switch to pic chip using C.  If anyone already has this worked out for either platform would appreciate shared code.
Tom -WA4FYN]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe it is elementary, but, can someone tell me what the resolution is on this chip. I saw where another similar chip had a 10kc resolution, but did not see resolution for this one.  Im going to try to get mine working with basic stamp first and then switch to pic chip using C.  If anyone already has this worked out for either platform would appreciate shared code.<br />
Tom -WA4FYN</p>
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		<title>By: Dove</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/11/28/parts-133mhz-162khz-programmable-oscillator-ds1077/comment-page-1/#comment-72087</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dove]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 19:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We offer programmables from multiple vendors. Request a free sample today. Not too sure if they will let me post a link so just go to google and type in dove programmable oscillators...good luck guys!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We offer programmables from multiple vendors. Request a free sample today. Not too sure if they will let me post a link so just go to google and type in dove programmable oscillators&#8230;good luck guys!</p>
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		<title>By: nuerobyte</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/11/28/parts-133mhz-162khz-programmable-oscillator-ds1077/comment-page-1/#comment-56885</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nuerobyte]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 15:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[maxim? they have a realy good sampling policy, $2 may be good but FREE is better.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>maxim? they have a realy good sampling policy, $2 may be good but FREE is better.</p>
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		<title>By: Odin84gk</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Odin84gk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Stupid question maybe?

What is the point of using 2 decoupling cap? one 0.1 and one 0.01?&quot;

This is a question I asked for a long time, and I never got a proper answer until I read the following app note:

http://www.intersil.com/data/an/an1325.pdf

to make a long story short, the inductance within a capacitor create resonant frequencies (well, frequencies that they are less likely to attenuate). You need two different capacitors along with two different package sizes to attenuate the most amount of noise. If you don&#039;t use different package sizes, you might as well not even bother. (See app note before replying please)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Stupid question maybe?</p>
<p>What is the point of using 2 decoupling cap? one 0.1 and one 0.01?&#8221;</p>
<p>This is a question I asked for a long time, and I never got a proper answer until I read the following app note:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.intersil.com/data/an/an1325.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.intersil.com/data/an/an1325.pdf</a></p>
<p>to make a long story short, the inductance within a capacitor create resonant frequencies (well, frequencies that they are less likely to attenuate). You need two different capacitors along with two different package sizes to attenuate the most amount of noise. If you don&#8217;t use different package sizes, you might as well not even bother. (See app note before replying please)</p>
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		<title>By: timour</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/11/28/parts-133mhz-162khz-programmable-oscillator-ds1077/comment-page-1/#comment-52915</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[timour]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 02:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[bad news for battery projects,
this chip is really power hungry.
it needs about 20ma to operate at 5V.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bad news for battery projects,<br />
this chip is really power hungry.<br />
it needs about 20ma to operate at 5V.</p>
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		<title>By: jimmys</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jimmys]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 00:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ok, so what might it be used for? a sweep generator for testing, wide band frequency hopping data, adjusting for unstable carriers.. what else?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, so what might it be used for? a sweep generator for testing, wide band frequency hopping data, adjusting for unstable carriers.. what else?</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/11/28/parts-133mhz-162khz-programmable-oscillator-ds1077/comment-page-1/#comment-52897</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 23:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[grr.  someone needs to lose the thing that squashes caps to lower case...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>grr.  someone needs to lose the thing that squashes caps to lower case&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 23:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To the guy who loves Maxim, they&#039;re great if you want one or two, but beware if you want to buy anything between that and 50000.  They&#039;ve been bad enough that we have a policy at work that nothing sole source from Maxim is allowed unless you can justify a reason to the VP.

P.S. 10^6 Hertz is abbreviated MHz not mhz, and 10^3 Hertz is kHz, not khz.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the guy who loves Maxim, they&#8217;re great if you want one or two, but beware if you want to buy anything between that and 50000.  They&#8217;ve been bad enough that we have a policy at work that nothing sole source from Maxim is allowed unless you can justify a reason to the VP.</p>
<p>P.S. 10^6 Hertz is abbreviated MHz not mhz, and 10^3 Hertz is kHz, not khz.</p>
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		<title>By: therian</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[therian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 19:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[that strange why large caps cant block high frequency, maybe because of internal inductance ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that strange why large caps cant block high frequency, maybe because of internal inductance ?</p>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[matt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 11:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are two different caps because higher value ones aren&#039;t good at blocking very high frequencies (though theoretically their high value would suggest they do) so you put a lower value one in parallel which, again theoretically, seems useless because contributes almost nothing to the total capacitance, but it can effectively block high frequencies.
It&#039;s not uncommon to see in well designed circuits power supply lines even 3 caps in parallel, for example one 10 uF, one 100nF and one 100pF, when there are high frequencies or high self oscillation risks involved (switching power supplies, audio amplifiers, rf circuit, etc).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are two different caps because higher value ones aren&#8217;t good at blocking very high frequencies (though theoretically their high value would suggest they do) so you put a lower value one in parallel which, again theoretically, seems useless because contributes almost nothing to the total capacitance, but it can effectively block high frequencies.<br />
It&#8217;s not uncommon to see in well designed circuits power supply lines even 3 caps in parallel, for example one 10 uF, one 100nF and one 100pF, when there are high frequencies or high self oscillation risks involved (switching power supplies, audio amplifiers, rf circuit, etc).</p>
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		<title>By: Jancans</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jancans]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 10:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stupid (incorect) answer maybe.
Smallest cap charge and discharge faster, so it smooth vcc]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stupid (incorect) answer maybe.<br />
Smallest cap charge and discharge faster, so it smooth vcc</p>
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		<title>By: sverre</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sverre]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 08:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stupid question maybe?

What is the point of using 2 decoupling cap? one 0.1 and one 0.01?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stupid question maybe?</p>
<p>What is the point of using 2 decoupling cap? one 0.1 and one 0.01?</p>
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		<title>By: ngth</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ngth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 21:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s also worth noting that there is a +3.3V version available.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s also worth noting that there is a +3.3V version available.</p>
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		<title>By: mmalluck</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mmalluck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 20:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like Maxim parts. They&#039;re very kind with the free samples too :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Maxim parts. They&#8217;re very kind with the free samples too :-)</p>
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