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		<title>By: deev</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/12/20/netbooks-slow-thanks-to-microsoft/comment-page-2/#comment-89466</link>
		<dc:creator>deev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 22:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My 5 years old Fujitsu P7010 still screams at 512 MB RAM under Debian and I have absolutely no need to upgrade it. If one needs more than 1 GB on a netbook he must blame the ubiquituous use of crappy platforms such as Java or .NET where C and C++ or other native languages should be used instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My 5 years old Fujitsu P7010 still screams at 512 MB RAM under Debian and I have absolutely no need to upgrade it. If one needs more than 1 GB on a netbook he must blame the ubiquituous use of crappy platforms such as Java or .NET where C and C++ or other native languages should be used instead.</p>
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		<title>By: fortillian</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/12/20/netbooks-slow-thanks-to-microsoft/comment-page-2/#comment-86104</link>
		<dc:creator>fortillian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@MS HATERS

You guys need to take everything for what it is. Micro$oft is trying to make money. Im sure if any of you built an OS with the intentions to sell millions of copies and make tons of money you would do the same thing. Linux being a free alternative OS although very power, it lacks in useability, point and click ease and user interface for the GENERAL PUBLIC users. If your here on Hackaday talking about putting linux on your netbook to upgrade ram and blah blah then you are more then like a NOT GENERAL PUBLIC user. Get over it and stop hating on MS. Take it for what it is, and if you choose not to use it then keep your mouth shut because you more then likely have to real idea on the who, what, where, when and why of microsofts actions and business decision. Give it a rest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@MS HATERS</p>
<p>You guys need to take everything for what it is. Micro$oft is trying to make money. Im sure if any of you built an OS with the intentions to sell millions of copies and make tons of money you would do the same thing. Linux being a free alternative OS although very power, it lacks in useability, point and click ease and user interface for the GENERAL PUBLIC users. If your here on Hackaday talking about putting linux on your netbook to upgrade ram and blah blah then you are more then like a NOT GENERAL PUBLIC user. Get over it and stop hating on MS. Take it for what it is, and if you choose not to use it then keep your mouth shut because you more then likely have to real idea on the who, what, where, when and why of microsofts actions and business decision. Give it a rest.</p>
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		<title>By: Spuffler</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/12/20/netbooks-slow-thanks-to-microsoft/comment-page-2/#comment-84676</link>
		<dc:creator>Spuffler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 15:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I definitely bought the EeePC900A from BB, it definitely did not have XP on it, I definitely have only 1G.

So, I&#039;m confused by your statement: &quot;These rules are why you can’t buy a netbook with more that 1GB of RAM.&quot; makes no sense: Microsoft is not affecting hardware makers who do NOT use XP.

The statement about not being able to buy a netbook with more than 1 GB cannot be based on M$.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I definitely bought the EeePC900A from BB, it definitely did not have XP on it, I definitely have only 1G.</p>
<p>So, I&#8217;m confused by your statement: &#8220;These rules are why you can’t buy a netbook with more that 1GB of RAM.&#8221; makes no sense: Microsoft is not affecting hardware makers who do NOT use XP.</p>
<p>The statement about not being able to buy a netbook with more than 1 GB cannot be based on M$.</p>
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		<title>By: Cupman</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/12/20/netbooks-slow-thanks-to-microsoft/comment-page-2/#comment-79254</link>
		<dc:creator>Cupman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most netbook processors that are out today primarily atoms only address up to 2GB of RAM.  Yes the licensing that MS has provided limits the OEM&#039;s availability to install xp os sold have only 1GB of RAM but I don&#039;t see MS as the true obstacle.  If you think about it though the most RAM you can get with the Microsoft Windows XP OS provided is 4GB.  

These systems aren&#039;t meant to be power packed.  However new intel architecture will provide for much slimmer full function notebook pc&#039;s that can be as small as netbooks.  

Bottom line is you get what you pay for.  Cheap is cheap and less feature packed and not as powerful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most netbook processors that are out today primarily atoms only address up to 2GB of RAM.  Yes the licensing that MS has provided limits the OEM&#8217;s availability to install xp os sold have only 1GB of RAM but I don&#8217;t see MS as the true obstacle.  If you think about it though the most RAM you can get with the Microsoft Windows XP OS provided is 4GB.  </p>
<p>These systems aren&#8217;t meant to be power packed.  However new intel architecture will provide for much slimmer full function notebook pc&#8217;s that can be as small as netbooks.  </p>
<p>Bottom line is you get what you pay for.  Cheap is cheap and less feature packed and not as powerful.</p>
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		<title>By: glob30</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/12/20/netbooks-slow-thanks-to-microsoft/comment-page-2/#comment-76340</link>
		<dc:creator>glob30</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 01:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>microsoft hack http://multiboss.cn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>microsoft hack <a href="http://multiboss.cn" rel="nofollow">http://multiboss.cn</a></p>
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		<title>By: SoundwaveHi</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/12/20/netbooks-slow-thanks-to-microsoft/comment-page-2/#comment-62886</link>
		<dc:creator>SoundwaveHi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 22:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wtf does it matter...most of us dont do shit besides write comments on hackaday, don&#039;t be a tool about how fast your computer is, or what operating system you have, just be happy your shit works...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wtf does it matter&#8230;most of us dont do shit besides write comments on hackaday, don&#8217;t be a tool about how fast your computer is, or what operating system you have, just be happy your shit works&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Renegade666</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/12/20/netbooks-slow-thanks-to-microsoft/comment-page-2/#comment-61052</link>
		<dc:creator>Renegade666</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 11:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To update I looked into the N270 Proc, and it&#039;s a single-core hyper-threading execution core which reads as two logical CPU&#039;s with shared resources, still not too shabby...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To update I looked into the N270 Proc, and it&#8217;s a single-core hyper-threading execution core which reads as two logical CPU&#8217;s with shared resources, still not too shabby&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Renegade666</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/12/20/netbooks-slow-thanks-to-microsoft/comment-page-2/#comment-61048</link>
		<dc:creator>Renegade666</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 09:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>K, just to interject a little on you folks slaggin&#039; the netbook....

I recently laid hands on an Acer Aspire One. This is a pretty decent machine from what I can tell. Now I&#039;ve been around computers all my life, I was writing basic on a Vic 20 when I was 6, so I&#039;m by no means uninformed when it comes to computers. 

The aspire one I now own comes with Winblows XP and 1gb ram. Here comes the technical bull:

N270 Atom Proc @ 1.6ghz
1gb ram
160gb HD
Intel internal video 8-256mb onboard 

now, yes 1 gb is a little lacking, and windows wouldn&#039;t be a first choice for a lot of people, but the netbook market was never really intended for the hardcore DIY techie who&#039;s fingers are permanently solder-burned and speaks in Linux. This is a small affordable PC for people who need a little less bulk and a little more mobility, it&#039;s a niche market and it works. If Microstunned decided they wanted to hinder their OS&#039;s performance for the tech-savvy among us, sucks to be them, but in the market these systems were designed for not many folks are honestly going to be popping the backs off to upgrade stuff, and frankly for it&#039;s intended purpose 1gb is more than adequate. I haven&#039;t seen this thing slow down all that much, and i run software on it that chokes my desktop (which coincedentally has a numerically faster cpu, and the same amount of ram which doesn&#039;t feed into video cards). Then there&#039;s the N270 Atom Processor. Everything I&#039;ve read says this is a single core proc, however the cpu usage monitor in the task mangler *yes the typo is intentional* splits into 2 sections as would a dual core system, getting into the device manager reveals drivers for an &quot;ACPI Multiprocessor PC&quot;, and checking system information in other software I find two logical CPU&#039;s listed. Hmm. Dual-core performance in a netbook? Short point of fact is yes, and it works. Although it may not *be* a true dual-core (i haven&#039;t had the time to go digging further, since my job and sleep preclude me from having a lot of free time to waste), it tasks just like one, and speedwise is pretty well on par or faster with my Single-core 2.8ghz desktop proc. 

Yes Windows sucks, but at least it&#039;s integrated well, the machine is more-or-less plug and play right out of the box(push power button, it does everything else till you enter your info in winblows setup)  

Overall, this thing is a pretty slammin&#039; value for the money. Yes these little toys might be a little on the limited side, but then again not everyone needs the starship enterprise computer in their faux-leather bag. My little toy was $500cdn taxes in with a 3 year warranty, I spent that much on a MB, ram, and proc for my desktop a few years ago, and that was without a warranty because i built the system myself. In spite of a few minor flaws, which are only apparent to those of us who think in binary and eat circuit boards like corn flakes, these things really are pretty impressive...  

Just my 2 cents....

The Renegade 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>K, just to interject a little on you folks slaggin&#8217; the netbook&#8230;.</p>
<p>I recently laid hands on an Acer Aspire One. This is a pretty decent machine from what I can tell. Now I&#8217;ve been around computers all my life, I was writing basic on a Vic 20 when I was 6, so I&#8217;m by no means uninformed when it comes to computers. </p>
<p>The aspire one I now own comes with Winblows XP and 1gb ram. Here comes the technical bull:</p>
<p>N270 Atom Proc @ 1.6ghz<br />
1gb ram<br />
160gb HD<br />
Intel internal video 8-256mb onboard </p>
<p>now, yes 1 gb is a little lacking, and windows wouldn&#8217;t be a first choice for a lot of people, but the netbook market was never really intended for the hardcore DIY techie who&#8217;s fingers are permanently solder-burned and speaks in Linux. This is a small affordable PC for people who need a little less bulk and a little more mobility, it&#8217;s a niche market and it works. If Microstunned decided they wanted to hinder their OS&#8217;s performance for the tech-savvy among us, sucks to be them, but in the market these systems were designed for not many folks are honestly going to be popping the backs off to upgrade stuff, and frankly for it&#8217;s intended purpose 1gb is more than adequate. I haven&#8217;t seen this thing slow down all that much, and i run software on it that chokes my desktop (which coincedentally has a numerically faster cpu, and the same amount of ram which doesn&#8217;t feed into video cards). Then there&#8217;s the N270 Atom Processor. Everything I&#8217;ve read says this is a single core proc, however the cpu usage monitor in the task mangler *yes the typo is intentional* splits into 2 sections as would a dual core system, getting into the device manager reveals drivers for an &#8220;ACPI Multiprocessor PC&#8221;, and checking system information in other software I find two logical CPU&#8217;s listed. Hmm. Dual-core performance in a netbook? Short point of fact is yes, and it works. Although it may not *be* a true dual-core (i haven&#8217;t had the time to go digging further, since my job and sleep preclude me from having a lot of free time to waste), it tasks just like one, and speedwise is pretty well on par or faster with my Single-core 2.8ghz desktop proc. </p>
<p>Yes Windows sucks, but at least it&#8217;s integrated well, the machine is more-or-less plug and play right out of the box(push power button, it does everything else till you enter your info in winblows setup)  </p>
<p>Overall, this thing is a pretty slammin&#8217; value for the money. Yes these little toys might be a little on the limited side, but then again not everyone needs the starship enterprise computer in their faux-leather bag. My little toy was $500cdn taxes in with a 3 year warranty, I spent that much on a MB, ram, and proc for my desktop a few years ago, and that was without a warranty because i built the system myself. In spite of a few minor flaws, which are only apparent to those of us who think in binary and eat circuit boards like corn flakes, these things really are pretty impressive&#8230;  </p>
<p>Just my 2 cents&#8230;.</p>
<p>The Renegade<br />
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		<title>By: Steel</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/12/20/netbooks-slow-thanks-to-microsoft/comment-page-2/#comment-59673</link>
		<dc:creator>Steel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 23:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s like dell support telling me the mini 9 only can work 1G anything more will &quot;fry&quot; it... and it never even gave me a choice of operating system it was like xp and 1G your done...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s like dell support telling me the mini 9 only can work 1G anything more will &#8220;fry&#8221; it&#8230; and it never even gave me a choice of operating system it was like xp and 1G your done&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: zm</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/12/20/netbooks-slow-thanks-to-microsoft/comment-page-2/#comment-58453</link>
		<dc:creator>zm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 17:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d prefer having a notebook lasting more than 1hr on battery.</description>
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		<title>By: Shams.priy</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/12/20/netbooks-slow-thanks-to-microsoft/comment-page-2/#comment-58183</link>
		<dc:creator>Shams.priy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 14:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazing Site I like it. It Was Quite Interesting NiceWork I appreciate the information you provided. Good day</description>
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		<title>By: Huufarted</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/12/20/netbooks-slow-thanks-to-microsoft/comment-page-2/#comment-57692</link>
		<dc:creator>Huufarted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 21:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is a very poignant piece.  I&#039;m looking at getting a netbook (holding to see what Asus releases at CES2009, first) for my wife.  She is a school teacher on her first year of teaching.  Bottom rung of the ladder for new stuff like SmartBoards.  Her school district also locks down their PCs more then Iran does its citizens.  She can&#039;t even install something like a bluetooth receiver driver AT ALL.  They won&#039;t allow it.  I&#039;d planned on getting her a small netbook so it&#039;s easily ported to school with her.  I had intended to get Windows on it (and will still do so myself) because that&#039;s what she uses and needs.  She carries enough crap to school with her, so she doesn&#039;t need a 7 pound laptop on top of that with a huge case.  With a netbook, it solves every issue I had and is plenty powerful for her to run.  HOWEVER, Microsoft is preventing me from giving my wife 2 Gigs of RAM out of the box.  Some of the netbooks even indicate that 1GB is the MAX for them running Windows as though it were being imposed by the chipset.  I will also be buying myself a netbook that will run Ubuntu, but as for my wife, she NEEDS to have WindowsXP on it for her job.  Because she works with pictures a lot (she&#039;s a photographer as well), the more RAM the merrier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is a very poignant piece.  I&#8217;m looking at getting a netbook (holding to see what Asus releases at CES2009, first) for my wife.  She is a school teacher on her first year of teaching.  Bottom rung of the ladder for new stuff like SmartBoards.  Her school district also locks down their PCs more then Iran does its citizens.  She can&#8217;t even install something like a bluetooth receiver driver AT ALL.  They won&#8217;t allow it.  I&#8217;d planned on getting her a small netbook so it&#8217;s easily ported to school with her.  I had intended to get Windows on it (and will still do so myself) because that&#8217;s what she uses and needs.  She carries enough crap to school with her, so she doesn&#8217;t need a 7 pound laptop on top of that with a huge case.  With a netbook, it solves every issue I had and is plenty powerful for her to run.  HOWEVER, Microsoft is preventing me from giving my wife 2 Gigs of RAM out of the box.  Some of the netbooks even indicate that 1GB is the MAX for them running Windows as though it were being imposed by the chipset.  I will also be buying myself a netbook that will run Ubuntu, but as for my wife, she NEEDS to have WindowsXP on it for her job.  Because she works with pictures a lot (she&#8217;s a photographer as well), the more RAM the merrier.</p>
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		<title>By: Luc_Besson</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/12/20/netbooks-slow-thanks-to-microsoft/comment-page-2/#comment-57683</link>
		<dc:creator>Luc_Besson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 19:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what are u all doing with eeepc&#039;s anyway? anyone who was really tech obsessed enough to upgrade to 2gb ram would surely have started with a decent netbook?

i have a samsung nc10 and would love to put 2gb ram in when i get the chance, not because i need to but just because im a young male and a product of consumerism here in the uk. say what u like, im not bothered.
and with a bit of driver modification u can play counter strike source on it =) which really should be the limit for a netbook. 
oh and the webcam works under ubuntu on the nc10.

email me any questions cuz i dont hang-out on my old posts :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what are u all doing with eeepc&#8217;s anyway? anyone who was really tech obsessed enough to upgrade to 2gb ram would surely have started with a decent netbook?</p>
<p>i have a samsung nc10 and would love to put 2gb ram in when i get the chance, not because i need to but just because im a young male and a product of consumerism here in the uk. say what u like, im not bothered.<br />
and with a bit of driver modification u can play counter strike source on it =) which really should be the limit for a netbook.<br />
oh and the webcam works under ubuntu on the nc10.</p>
<p>email me any questions cuz i dont hang-out on my old posts :P</p>
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		<title>By: moo</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/12/20/netbooks-slow-thanks-to-microsoft/comment-page-2/#comment-57629</link>
		<dc:creator>moo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 07:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didnt KDE  base its desktop environment on Windows? So users switching from Windows to Linux would be more comfortable?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didnt KDE  base its desktop environment on Windows? So users switching from Windows to Linux would be more comfortable?</p>
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		<title>By: IvanOtter</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2008/12/20/netbooks-slow-thanks-to-microsoft/comment-page-2/#comment-57423</link>
		<dc:creator>IvanOtter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh come on, this is conspiracy BS.

I have an EeePC 900.  It has Ubuntu on it.  Runs like CRAP.  even updated the ram, runs like crap.

the SDD is what slows it down mostly (i have had XP run quicker on a p3 700mhz laptop with 512 ram and a 20gb HDD).  The default mPCI-E SDD in this thing is the biggest peice of shite i have had.  But what did I expect for 300 bucks?  So I will be purchasing a RunCore (wish Intel would release a mPCI-E SSD with thier controller) 16 or 32GB SSD when I have the money.  It will likely drastically improve the performance.

Netbooks are a specialised thing.  They are designed for net browsing and some light work. 

To blame MS for it?  Oh dear lord...there is such thing as rabidly anti-MS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh come on, this is conspiracy BS.</p>
<p>I have an EeePC 900.  It has Ubuntu on it.  Runs like CRAP.  even updated the ram, runs like crap.</p>
<p>the SDD is what slows it down mostly (i have had XP run quicker on a p3 700mhz laptop with 512 ram and a 20gb HDD).  The default mPCI-E SDD in this thing is the biggest peice of shite i have had.  But what did I expect for 300 bucks?  So I will be purchasing a RunCore (wish Intel would release a mPCI-E SSD with thier controller) 16 or 32GB SSD when I have the money.  It will likely drastically improve the performance.</p>
<p>Netbooks are a specialised thing.  They are designed for net browsing and some light work. </p>
<p>To blame MS for it?  Oh dear lord&#8230;there is such thing as rabidly anti-MS</p>
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