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		<title>By: matt</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/01/09/intel-4004-internals/comment-page-1/#comment-58660</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[matt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 21:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i&#039;m a faggot, fuck me!!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m a faggot, fuck me!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Doctor</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/01/09/intel-4004-internals/comment-page-1/#comment-58605</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Doctor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 13:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Мог бы долго с вами спорить на эту тему :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Мог бы долго с вами спорить на эту тему :)</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/01/09/intel-4004-internals/comment-page-1/#comment-58552</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 22:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The main  thing to realise is that those chips were made without any CAD gear - layers were laid out using different coloured transparent tape on a big table]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The main  thing to realise is that those chips were made without any CAD gear &#8211; layers were laid out using different coloured transparent tape on a big table</p>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/01/09/intel-4004-internals/comment-page-1/#comment-58548</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 21:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like pie.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like pie.</p>
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		<title>By: thenoz</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/01/09/intel-4004-internals/comment-page-1/#comment-58546</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thenoz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 20:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Twat did you say? &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thenoz.wordpress.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this site is full of Noz&#039;s...&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Twat did you say? <a href="http://www.thenoz.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">this site is full of Noz&#8217;s&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nubie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nubie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 18:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ C

Wow, I just got the strangest sense that Isaac Asimov predicted all of this in his early works, computer brains designing more intricate computer brains.

How long until a giant shiny globe is ruling the world?  (I bet never, but that was some good sci-fi (: )]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ C</p>
<p>Wow, I just got the strangest sense that Isaac Asimov predicted all of this in his early works, computer brains designing more intricate computer brains.</p>
<p>How long until a giant shiny globe is ruling the world?  (I bet never, but that was some good sci-fi (: )</p>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[matt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 18:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt;&gt; uhh, it’s not my site you idiot.

Matt here, disregard that, I suck cocks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt; uhh, it’s not my site you idiot.</p>
<p>Matt here, disregard that, I suck cocks.</p>
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		<title>By: c</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 17:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Vegas:

As someone who designs modern chips, the answer is an emphatic NO! This chip ran around ~700 Khz. Modern chips run at 1+ Ghz. This chip also had 4000 transistors, vs. 2 billion (2,000,000,000!) for some of Intel&#039;s chips. We still do a fair amount of &quot;by-hand&quot; optimization for really timing-critical paths, but for the most part you have to rely on synthesis tools to turn your design into actual gates. Laying out 2 billion transistors by hand is an impossible task, and the machines that actually make the chips are not even capable of doing arbitrary shapes/orientations. 

On the bright side, you could probably make a 128,000 core chip using 4004&#039;s nowadays =)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Vegas:</p>
<p>As someone who designs modern chips, the answer is an emphatic NO! This chip ran around ~700 Khz. Modern chips run at 1+ Ghz. This chip also had 4000 transistors, vs. 2 billion (2,000,000,000!) for some of Intel&#8217;s chips. We still do a fair amount of &#8220;by-hand&#8221; optimization for really timing-critical paths, but for the most part you have to rely on synthesis tools to turn your design into actual gates. Laying out 2 billion transistors by hand is an impossible task, and the machines that actually make the chips are not even capable of doing arbitrary shapes/orientations. </p>
<p>On the bright side, you could probably make a 128,000 core chip using 4004&#8242;s nowadays =)</p>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[matt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 16:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[uhh, it&#039;s not my site you idiot.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>uhh, it&#8217;s not my site you idiot.</p>
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		<title>By: Mattj</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 14:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Spamming Twat.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spamming Twat.</p>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 13:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[until i can use it to check out the chicks on http://www.femmeteen.com then i guess i am not too interested :P]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>until i can use it to check out the chicks on <a href="http://www.femmeteen.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.femmeteen.com</a> then i guess i am not too interested :P</p>
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		<title>By: jiggy-wiggy-piggy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jiggy-wiggy-piggy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 12:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i suspect i couldnt hurt any]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i suspect i couldnt hurt any</p>
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		<title>By: vegas</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 10:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wonder if optimizing modern chips as much as they did back then would result in any significant price/performance benefits.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if optimizing modern chips as much as they did back then would result in any significant price/performance benefits.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anthony]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 04:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Makes me wanna go watch Tron...lol]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Makes me wanna go watch Tron&#8230;lol</p>
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		<title>By: Haku</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Haku]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 00:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like the map of a ZX Spectrum or C64 platform game.</p>
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