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	<title>Comments on: Tools: Proxxon drill press TBM115/TBM220</title>
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		<title>By: Roger Payn</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roger Payn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2010 08:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We have 3 of these Proxxon drills in or r &amp; d department for a few years now and they are good work horses. i would recommend them to any serious user.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ecomfg.com/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Roger&lt;a / rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have 3 of these Proxxon drills in or r &amp; d department for a few years now and they are good work horses. i would recommend them to any serious user.  <a href="http://www.ecomfg.com/index.html" rel="nofollow">Roger</a><a / rel="nofollow"></a></p>
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		<title>By: moonmonster</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[moonmonster]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 01:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ugly proxxon crap, get a real drill press at ebay.
Something like this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Sears-Craftman-Drill-Press_W0QQitemZ270536160832QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3efd363640

It will also drill holes into PCB with the required precision, (my good old drill press can be adjusted between 400-6000 rpm by changing the drive belt) but in contrast to the proxxon crap, it will last a lifetime.
In proxxon machines, everything is made of cheap cast aluminum, which wears out after short time.
Even the screw  threads are cut into aluminum. So if a screw is tightened slightly to strong, the screw thread is fucked..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ugly proxxon crap, get a real drill press at ebay.<br />
Something like this:<br />
<a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/Sears-Craftman-Drill-Press_W0QQitemZ270536160832QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3efd363640" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/Sears-Craftman-Drill-Press_W0QQitemZ270536160832QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3efd363640</a></p>
<p>It will also drill holes into PCB with the required precision, (my good old drill press can be adjusted between 400-6000 rpm by changing the drive belt) but in contrast to the proxxon crap, it will last a lifetime.<br />
In proxxon machines, everything is made of cheap cast aluminum, which wears out after short time.<br />
Even the screw  threads are cut into aluminum. So if a screw is tightened slightly to strong, the screw thread is fucked..</p>
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		<title>By: tehgringe</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tehgringe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 15:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have a question before buying one of these. I plan to use this to cut out pieces of 3mm acrylic, will this handle that sort of thing?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a question before buying one of these. I plan to use this to cut out pieces of 3mm acrylic, will this handle that sort of thing?</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Canfield</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/02/27/tools-proxxon-drill-press-tbm115tbm220/comment-page-1/#comment-92022</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Josh Canfield]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 06:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How to choose between the 28128/38128 drill and the 28606 drill stand + 28481 motor?
1) The 28606 die-cast swivel head does not sit perfectly true, so the drill-bit will not be perfectly vertical in its descent. Hardly matters on a thin PCB, but very important with thicker, heavier work.
2) The 28606 rises and falls on its column via 2 drilled holes in a thin die-casting. If they develop some wear, you will need to bush the holes. So, durability is the issue.
3) The 28481/38481 actually has a tiny 232-gram 5000-20000rpm DC motor driven off a mains voltage speed controller, while the &#039;real&#039; drill press motor is a chunky 561-gram 7450rpm AC motor and you change speeds with step pulleys. Again, durability is the issue.

The 28128/38128 costs more, but is a very professional design for a specific purpose. On a lower budget, the 28606+28481/38481 is versatile (you can detach the tool for grinding, etc) but will yield lower accuracy and shorter life. 

My thanks to Mark at Proxxon World for the numbers. The opinions are my own.

Josh]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How to choose between the 28128/38128 drill and the 28606 drill stand + 28481 motor?<br />
1) The 28606 die-cast swivel head does not sit perfectly true, so the drill-bit will not be perfectly vertical in its descent. Hardly matters on a thin PCB, but very important with thicker, heavier work.<br />
2) The 28606 rises and falls on its column via 2 drilled holes in a thin die-casting. If they develop some wear, you will need to bush the holes. So, durability is the issue.<br />
3) The 28481/38481 actually has a tiny 232-gram 5000-20000rpm DC motor driven off a mains voltage speed controller, while the &#8216;real&#8217; drill press motor is a chunky 561-gram 7450rpm AC motor and you change speeds with step pulleys. Again, durability is the issue.</p>
<p>The 28128/38128 costs more, but is a very professional design for a specific purpose. On a lower budget, the 28606+28481/38481 is versatile (you can detach the tool for grinding, etc) but will yield lower accuracy and shorter life. </p>
<p>My thanks to Mark at Proxxon World for the numbers. The opinions are my own.</p>
<p>Josh</p>
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		<title>By: BrazenDan</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/02/27/tools-proxxon-drill-press-tbm115tbm220/comment-page-1/#comment-81766</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BrazenDan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 06:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for writing this review; it seems to be just about the only one on the web at this point, and it is really helpful to get honest feedback on something like this before taking the plunge.  

I have to say that I am still in a bit of a dilemma about whether to buy the drill press reviewed here, or the Proxxon rotary tool with drill press stand (mentioned in a followup). The latter combo is less expensive, can be a lot more flexible and if it works just as well, why not?

I was looking at the drill presses found at Micro-Mark --
http://www.micromark.com/MICROLUX-3-SPEED-MINI-DRILL-PRESS,7797.html
http://www.micromark.com/MICROLUX-BENCHTOP-VARIABLE-SPEED-MINI-HOBBY-DRILL-PRESS,8283.html

However, both have chucks which increase runout somewhat.  They informed me that the more expensive variable speed drill press would have less than .004&quot; runout, and then it only goes to 5000 rpm.  It&#039;s interesting that the cheaper 3-speed unit looks SOOO similar to the Proxxon reviewed here, yet it has a chuck and does not operate at the same speeds. Hmmm...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for writing this review; it seems to be just about the only one on the web at this point, and it is really helpful to get honest feedback on something like this before taking the plunge.  </p>
<p>I have to say that I am still in a bit of a dilemma about whether to buy the drill press reviewed here, or the Proxxon rotary tool with drill press stand (mentioned in a followup). The latter combo is less expensive, can be a lot more flexible and if it works just as well, why not?</p>
<p>I was looking at the drill presses found at Micro-Mark &#8211;<br />
<a href="http://www.micromark.com/MICROLUX-3-SPEED-MINI-DRILL-PRESS,7797.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.micromark.com/MICROLUX-3-SPEED-MINI-DRILL-PRESS,7797.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.micromark.com/MICROLUX-BENCHTOP-VARIABLE-SPEED-MINI-HOBBY-DRILL-PRESS,8283.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.micromark.com/MICROLUX-BENCHTOP-VARIABLE-SPEED-MINI-HOBBY-DRILL-PRESS,8283.html</a></p>
<p>However, both have chucks which increase runout somewhat.  They informed me that the more expensive variable speed drill press would have less than .004&#8243; runout, and then it only goes to 5000 rpm.  It&#8217;s interesting that the cheaper 3-speed unit looks SOOO similar to the Proxxon reviewed here, yet it has a chuck and does not operate at the same speeds. Hmmm&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[matt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 23:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i bought the &#039;professional&#039; proxxon drill for my pcb setup, and the stand that it fits into:

http://www.proxxon-world.com/product/drill_stand_mb_140_s
and
http://www.proxxon-world.com/product/professional_drill_grinder_ib_e_220-240v

no wobble whatsoever, 20,000rpm... don&#039;t know why people would buy the &#039;drill press&#039;, never have to stuff around with this one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i bought the &#8216;professional&#8217; proxxon drill for my pcb setup, and the stand that it fits into:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.proxxon-world.com/product/drill_stand_mb_140_s" rel="nofollow">http://www.proxxon-world.com/product/drill_stand_mb_140_s</a><br />
and<br />
<a href="http://www.proxxon-world.com/product/professional_drill_grinder_ib_e_220-240v" rel="nofollow">http://www.proxxon-world.com/product/professional_drill_grinder_ib_e_220-240v</a></p>
<p>no wobble whatsoever, 20,000rpm&#8230; don&#8217;t know why people would buy the &#8216;drill press&#8217;, never have to stuff around with this one.</p>
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		<title>By: Oren Beck</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/02/27/tools-proxxon-drill-press-tbm115tbm220/comment-page-1/#comment-64791</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Oren Beck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 22:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Having misused close to every sort of machine tool from crap to gold at one time or another changed my viewpoint. Tools are that trinity oft repeated in variants. Three factors listed and a &quot;pick any two&quot; closer line. Same with drill presses. Cheap-accurate-durable. Pick any two.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having misused close to every sort of machine tool from crap to gold at one time or another changed my viewpoint. Tools are that trinity oft repeated in variants. Three factors listed and a &#8220;pick any two&#8221; closer line. Same with drill presses. Cheap-accurate-durable. Pick any two.</p>
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		<title>By: jb</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jb]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 00:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a good piece of equipment; I&#039;ve got a few Proxxon items in my shop. I use the electric drive every day.

I have drilled a few boards with this press - single sided .062&quot; thick. Never had a problem. Also use it for drilling basswood and other soft woods. Not had much luck with Mylar - speeds are just too fast.

And I bought everything - nothing for free, but what the hell does it matter? If we can&#039;t trust HAD to give us the straight deal, why do we even read it? I trust old friends - if HAD says this is a good machine, I&#039;d buy it. If it didn&#039;t work, I&#039;d give &#039;em hell in comments.

//rant out]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a good piece of equipment; I&#8217;ve got a few Proxxon items in my shop. I use the electric drive every day.</p>
<p>I have drilled a few boards with this press &#8211; single sided .062&#8243; thick. Never had a problem. Also use it for drilling basswood and other soft woods. Not had much luck with Mylar &#8211; speeds are just too fast.</p>
<p>And I bought everything &#8211; nothing for free, but what the hell does it matter? If we can&#8217;t trust HAD to give us the straight deal, why do we even read it? I trust old friends &#8211; if HAD says this is a good machine, I&#8217;d buy it. If it didn&#8217;t work, I&#8217;d give &#8216;em hell in comments.</p>
<p>//rant out</p>
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		<title>By: Waterppk</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Waterppk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Best place to get drill bits:
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=34640
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=44924

They&#039;re shanked to fit in a standard drill and into a standard dremel and they&#039;re carbide so they put up with some serious abuse.  I drilled out some stainless steel with one the other day and it was fine.  Harbor Freight usually has a local store in big cities (check their site), so you don&#039;t have to pay shipping and you can check stuff out before you buy.

You can also pick up a better drill press for $80, if you wait until they&#039;re on sale or you get a 20% off coupon you&#039;ll be even better off:

http://search.harborfreight.com/cpisearch/web/search.do?keyword=drill+press&amp;Submit=Go

Those presses aren&#039;t going to be good for drilling out huge stuff, but for a hobbiest who&#039;s drilling PCB boards and small stuff, it&#039;ll work great.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Best place to get drill bits:<br />
<a href="http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=34640" rel="nofollow">http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=34640</a><br />
<a href="http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=44924" rel="nofollow">http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=44924</a></p>
<p>They&#8217;re shanked to fit in a standard drill and into a standard dremel and they&#8217;re carbide so they put up with some serious abuse.  I drilled out some stainless steel with one the other day and it was fine.  Harbor Freight usually has a local store in big cities (check their site), so you don&#8217;t have to pay shipping and you can check stuff out before you buy.</p>
<p>You can also pick up a better drill press for $80, if you wait until they&#8217;re on sale or you get a 20% off coupon you&#8217;ll be even better off:</p>
<p><a href="http://search.harborfreight.com/cpisearch/web/search.do?keyword=drill+press&#038;Submit=Go" rel="nofollow">http://search.harborfreight.com/cpisearch/web/search.do?keyword=drill+press&#038;Submit=Go</a></p>
<p>Those presses aren&#8217;t going to be good for drilling out huge stuff, but for a hobbiest who&#8217;s drilling PCB boards and small stuff, it&#8217;ll work great.</p>
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		<title>By: octelcogopod</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[octelcogopod]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 18:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@dan, punch the donkey

that kind of disclosure is very important for blogs, as with &quot;small&quot; blogs like this one people tend to assume unbiased reviews. it&#039;s important to retain credibility, because the fringe tends to have the least shills in my experience.
there&#039;s nothing &quot;fucked up&quot; about it and one doesn&#039;t have to be a litigation lawyer to appreciate that kind of disclosure.
both of you seem have this irrational knee jerk reaction to jimmys&#039; comment. i recommend a chill pill.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@dan, punch the donkey</p>
<p>that kind of disclosure is very important for blogs, as with &#8220;small&#8221; blogs like this one people tend to assume unbiased reviews. it&#8217;s important to retain credibility, because the fringe tends to have the least shills in my experience.<br />
there&#8217;s nothing &#8220;fucked up&#8221; about it and one doesn&#8217;t have to be a litigation lawyer to appreciate that kind of disclosure.<br />
both of you seem have this irrational knee jerk reaction to jimmys&#8217; comment. i recommend a chill pill.</p>
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		<title>By: matthias</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[matthias]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 15:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi. I&#039;d like to recommend the mini-drill (Proxxon Micomot 50/E) and stand (Proxxon MB 140/S) from the same company. It was less than 100 EURO and I&#039;m quite happy with this set-up. It goes up to 20.000 rpm and the drill does not have any play.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi. I&#8217;d like to recommend the mini-drill (Proxxon Micomot 50/E) and stand (Proxxon MB 140/S) from the same company. It was less than 100 EURO and I&#8217;m quite happy with this set-up. It goes up to 20.000 rpm and the drill does not have any play.</p>
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		<title>By: jimmys</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/02/27/tools-proxxon-drill-press-tbm115tbm220/comment-page-1/#comment-64657</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jimmys]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 09:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ian-
that&#039;s good to hear. it&#039;s not something to be defensive about, it&#039;s reassuring to readers like myself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ian-<br />
that&#8217;s good to hear. it&#8217;s not something to be defensive about, it&#8217;s reassuring to readers like myself.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Lesnet</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/02/27/tools-proxxon-drill-press-tbm115tbm220/comment-page-1/#comment-64652</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ian Lesnet]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 07:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@jimmys - We &lt;em&gt;always&lt;/em&gt; disclose how we get our gear, especially if it&#039;s free. In this case, as with the &lt;a href=&quot;http://hackaday.com/2009/02/20/tools-aoyue-968-3-in-1-soldering-and-rework-station/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Aoyue review&lt;/a&gt;, these are the tools we actually purchased for use in the lab where we design the &lt;a href=&quot;http://hackaday.com/category/how-to/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;how-to projects&lt;/a&gt; you see on this site. 

We&#039;re just a little blog with &#039;hack&#039; in the title, nobody&#039;s jumping to give us free stuff. A notable exception is the Smart Tweezers we reviewed a few weeks ago, we wrote and asked for a review unit because they looked like an interesting tool for people who do a lot of SMD work. We disclosed that this was a freebie at the beginning of the article, and we always will.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@jimmys &#8211; We <em>always</em> disclose how we get our gear, especially if it&#8217;s free. In this case, as with the <a href="http://hackaday.com/2009/02/20/tools-aoyue-968-3-in-1-soldering-and-rework-station/" rel="nofollow">Aoyue review</a>, these are the tools we actually purchased for use in the lab where we design the <a href="http://hackaday.com/category/how-to/" rel="nofollow">how-to projects</a> you see on this site. </p>
<p>We&#8217;re just a little blog with &#8216;hack&#8217; in the title, nobody&#8217;s jumping to give us free stuff. A notable exception is the Smart Tweezers we reviewed a few weeks ago, we wrote and asked for a review unit because they looked like an interesting tool for people who do a lot of SMD work. We disclosed that this was a freebie at the beginning of the article, and we always will.</p>
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		<title>By: Punch The Donkey</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Punch The Donkey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 05:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@jimmys

How does does so called &quot;disclosure guidelines&quot; affect someones credibility in way shape or form?.  I suspect you&#039;re some form of litigation Lawyer, please be on your way.

Well done Hackaday, you just helped me pick out a new bench drill press. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@jimmys</p>
<p>How does does so called &#8220;disclosure guidelines&#8221; affect someones credibility in way shape or form?.  I suspect you&#8217;re some form of litigation Lawyer, please be on your way.</p>
<p>Well done Hackaday, you just helped me pick out a new bench drill press. :)</p>
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		<title>By: jimmys</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jimmys]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 01:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[dan-
a world where credibility matters to some people?

if there are no guidelines whatsoever, that&#039;s helpful to know as well.]]></description>
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a world where credibility matters to some people?</p>
<p>if there are no guidelines whatsoever, that&#8217;s helpful to know as well.</p>
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