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		<title>By: techveteran</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/03/06/tools-saleae-logic-logic-analyzer/comment-page-1/#comment-403635</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[techveteran]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2011 20:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Lesnet this one is for users who don&#039;t need 8 channels, but need reliable analyzer for serial protocols: I2C, SPI, UART, CAN, LIN, etc.. My school just bought a couple of those! http://www.ikalogic.com/scanalogic2/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Lesnet this one is for users who don&#8217;t need 8 channels, but need reliable analyzer for serial protocols: I2C, SPI, UART, CAN, LIN, etc.. My school just bought a couple of those! <a href="http://www.ikalogic.com/scanalogic2/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ikalogic.com/scanalogic2/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/03/06/tools-saleae-logic-logic-analyzer/comment-page-1/#comment-119776</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 16:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Looks great and quite a reasonable price for what it does -- want more, pay more. Gray is an odd color for ground but &quot;BBROYGBV&quot; is logical -- you can always mark the ground clip with a marker.

&quot;Handy, but if you need one you are a bit of a failure at design though eh, or you bought dodgy parts I guess.&quot;

Or may be writing bit banged code and need to check the timing is right or may be those absolutely perfect parts are not working quite as expected or may be it is just to check they are. Come back when you are a real engineer with some practical experience of the real world.

&quot;Toy&quot;

All my tools are toys and fun to play with. Some are more expensive than others. My Ford G40 is a toy. If it does the job its an excellent toy to have but sometimes I use bigger and more expensive toys.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks great and quite a reasonable price for what it does &#8212; want more, pay more. Gray is an odd color for ground but &#8220;BBROYGBV&#8221; is logical &#8212; you can always mark the ground clip with a marker.</p>
<p>&#8220;Handy, but if you need one you are a bit of a failure at design though eh, or you bought dodgy parts I guess.&#8221;</p>
<p>Or may be writing bit banged code and need to check the timing is right or may be those absolutely perfect parts are not working quite as expected or may be it is just to check they are. Come back when you are a real engineer with some practical experience of the real world.</p>
<p>&#8220;Toy&#8221;</p>
<p>All my tools are toys and fun to play with. Some are more expensive than others. My Ford G40 is a toy. If it does the job its an excellent toy to have but sometimes I use bigger and more expensive toys.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/03/06/tools-saleae-logic-logic-analyzer/comment-page-1/#comment-83362</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 19:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@clint.
Logic &amp; channels start at zero - not 1.
You probably have not done much embedded work - or you&#039;re &gt; 60yrs old.  ;-}
Tom is correct and Grey for Ground makes perfect sense.

BTW - This is a Great Product!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@clint.<br />
Logic &amp; channels start at zero &#8211; not 1.<br />
You probably have not done much embedded work &#8211; or you&#8217;re &gt; 60yrs old.  ;-}<br />
Tom is correct and Grey for Ground makes perfect sense.</p>
<p>BTW &#8211; This is a Great Product!</p>
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		<title>By: dan303</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/03/06/tools-saleae-logic-logic-analyzer/comment-page-1/#comment-81328</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dan303]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 07:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[marcos: useful if you can live with the relatively short (1k) sample depth.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>marcos: useful if you can live with the relatively short (1k) sample depth.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcos</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marcos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 02:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Does anyone tested this device?
http://www.linkinstruments.com/mso19.htm

I´m looking for a good tool with something of added value.

Regards.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone tested this device?<br />
<a href="http://www.linkinstruments.com/mso19.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.linkinstruments.com/mso19.htm</a></p>
<p>I´m looking for a good tool with something of added value.</p>
<p>Regards.</p>
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		<title>By: NKC Electronics</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/03/06/tools-saleae-logic-logic-analyzer/comment-page-1/#comment-71511</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NKC Electronics]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 02:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@segphalt, you must be kidding... I returned it 5 minutes after receiving it]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@segphalt, you must be kidding&#8230; I returned it 5 minutes after receiving it</p>
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		<title>By: Segphalt</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/03/06/tools-saleae-logic-logic-analyzer/comment-page-1/#comment-70637</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Segphalt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 15:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://www.hobbylab.us/default.aspx

Im a fan of this one more or less the same device but with much more robust software]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.hobbylab.us/default.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.hobbylab.us/default.aspx</a></p>
<p>Im a fan of this one more or less the same device but with much more robust software</p>
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		<title>By: bob</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/03/06/tools-saleae-logic-logic-analyzer/comment-page-1/#comment-68754</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 21:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know if anyone will ever change this, but it should have the parts tag added.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if anyone will ever change this, but it should have the parts tag added.</p>
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		<title>By: NKC Electronics</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/03/06/tools-saleae-logic-logic-analyzer/comment-page-1/#comment-67383</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NKC Electronics]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 03:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ian, I read about our cpld development board.  It is nice.

You are right about the extended capture that the saleae logic device is capable of, it is something that most hobbyists need when using la to learn or understand what is going on deep inside the wires.

The first la I used was the intronix, and I was a little bit frustrated because I could not capture a reasonable amount of data, and when I contacted the company for support, their response was that a logic analyzer was not designed to do that and the main use is to do high-speed, short captures.  Well, maybe what I needed was a data logger or a data acquisition board.

In my opinion, there are a lot of devices categorized as logic analyzers, but each deserve to be in a sub-category.

And sorry if I offended any reader or saleae or you for calling the saleae logic device a toy... and for my comment about you having a commercial interest in evaluating and publishing information about &quot;commercial&quot; products... my comment was inappropriate.  You are doing a great job providing information and sharing your experience.  Thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ian, I read about our cpld development board.  It is nice.</p>
<p>You are right about the extended capture that the saleae logic device is capable of, it is something that most hobbyists need when using la to learn or understand what is going on deep inside the wires.</p>
<p>The first la I used was the intronix, and I was a little bit frustrated because I could not capture a reasonable amount of data, and when I contacted the company for support, their response was that a logic analyzer was not designed to do that and the main use is to do high-speed, short captures.  Well, maybe what I needed was a data logger or a data acquisition board.</p>
<p>In my opinion, there are a lot of devices categorized as logic analyzers, but each deserve to be in a sub-category.</p>
<p>And sorry if I offended any reader or saleae or you for calling the saleae logic device a toy&#8230; and for my comment about you having a commercial interest in evaluating and publishing information about &#8220;commercial&#8221; products&#8230; my comment was inappropriate.  You are doing a great job providing information and sharing your experience.  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: NKC Electronics</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NKC Electronics]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 03:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@visitor, at least I show my face... I don&#039;t think it is dishonorable to spread information and try to share experience.  I do have a commercial interest, of course, like the original &quot;evaluation&quot; of this device done by ian.  You found it of interest, that is why you clicked and read all the comments.  I am not saying that you must click on my website and purchase the product, I am just trying to give information.  You don&#039;t find it fun or valuable, just ignore it.  Others find it very valuable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@visitor, at least I show my face&#8230; I don&#8217;t think it is dishonorable to spread information and try to share experience.  I do have a commercial interest, of course, like the original &#8220;evaluation&#8221; of this device done by ian.  You found it of interest, that is why you clicked and read all the comments.  I am not saying that you must click on my website and purchase the product, I am just trying to give information.  You don&#8217;t find it fun or valuable, just ignore it.  Others find it very valuable.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Lesnet</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/03/06/tools-saleae-logic-logic-analyzer/comment-page-1/#comment-66832</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ian Lesnet]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 03:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for linking to the LAP-16032U.

This is a really interesting tool. I&#039;d bet that it&#039;s similar to our &lt;a href=&quot;http://hackaday.com/2008/12/11/how-to-programmable-logic-devices-cpld&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;CPLD development board&lt;/a&gt;: a 32K SRAM (128K or 1Mbit in the newer versions) with a CPLD-based trigger (1 level) and counter. I suppose it could also be entirely implemented in a FPGA, but the speed (75MHZ) seems about right for a CPLD. 

The parallel SRAM and counter approach is great for high-speed, short captures. The Saleae Logic and other Cypress-based LAs are great if you need to capture extended sequences at reasonable speeds. 

We use a LA primarily for debugging our own devices, so it&#039;s usually no problem to slow the clock/interface to a speed that works within the limits of the logic analyzer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for linking to the LAP-16032U.</p>
<p>This is a really interesting tool. I&#8217;d bet that it&#8217;s similar to our <a href="http://hackaday.com/2008/12/11/how-to-programmable-logic-devices-cpld" rel="nofollow">CPLD development board</a>: a 32K SRAM (128K or 1Mbit in the newer versions) with a CPLD-based trigger (1 level) and counter. I suppose it could also be entirely implemented in a FPGA, but the speed (75MHZ) seems about right for a CPLD. </p>
<p>The parallel SRAM and counter approach is great for high-speed, short captures. The Saleae Logic and other Cypress-based LAs are great if you need to capture extended sequences at reasonable speeds. </p>
<p>We use a LA primarily for debugging our own devices, so it&#8217;s usually no problem to slow the clock/interface to a speed that works within the limits of the logic analyzer.</p>
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		<title>By: visitor</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[visitor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 00:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@NKC Electronics: It seems pretty obvious from your statement - &quot;It is a real logic analyzer, not a toy like the saleae device.&quot; - that your use of the word &quot;toy&quot; is derogatory - not &quot;fun&quot;. Now you are back-pedaling to save face.

It is also fairly obvious that you have hijacked this forum thread in hopes of selling products on your website. I guess you also see that as &quot;fun&quot;. Some (including me) see it as dishonorable. Go advertise on google.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@NKC Electronics: It seems pretty obvious from your statement &#8211; &#8220;It is a real logic analyzer, not a toy like the saleae device.&#8221; &#8211; that your use of the word &#8220;toy&#8221; is derogatory &#8211; not &#8220;fun&#8221;. Now you are back-pedaling to save face.</p>
<p>It is also fairly obvious that you have hijacked this forum thread in hopes of selling products on your website. I guess you also see that as &#8220;fun&#8221;. Some (including me) see it as dishonorable. Go advertise on google.</p>
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		<title>By: NKC Electronics</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NKC Electronics]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@visitor, are toys bad or inferior?  Not necessarily.  It means that they are fun, nice looking and easy to start playing with.  But soon you realize that for more serious work, you need to keep your toy in your toys box and grab a real tool.  I sell a lot of stuff that I consider toys, like the Arduino platform, robotics, etc.  They are mainly for fun, aren&#039;t they?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@visitor, are toys bad or inferior?  Not necessarily.  It means that they are fun, nice looking and easy to start playing with.  But soon you realize that for more serious work, you need to keep your toy in your toys box and grab a real tool.  I sell a lot of stuff that I consider toys, like the Arduino platform, robotics, etc.  They are mainly for fun, aren&#8217;t they?</p>
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		<title>By: Jan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 13:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i wonder if there is some kind of protection circuitry at the saleae&#039;s inputs. judging by the parts count, i really doubt it. 

Jan]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i wonder if there is some kind of protection circuitry at the saleae&#8217;s inputs. judging by the parts count, i really doubt it. </p>
<p>Jan</p>
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		<title>By: xteraco</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[xteraco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I checked this out, they have no linux version of their software. No open source == no money from me!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I checked this out, they have no linux version of their software. No open source == no money from me!</p>
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