Punchy Punchout, improved

[Sam] submitted this fun project, a Punchout interface that you actually punch. If you recall, we’ve done a Punchout interface that you punch, but this one takes it a step further. Instead of being a blob on a desk that you’re mashing around, the new one is a Slam Man boxing dummy. They’ve mounted the buttons on different areas of the dummy so you can punch him to completely control the game. As you can see in the video, it seems to work ok, though we doubt the buttons will hold up very long under those conditions. They do say that this is just to hold them over till the Wii version, so maybe those buttons will last just long enough.

Comments

  1. Louis II says:

    …first post? wtf? are we all back in 5th grade?
    “I’m first! I’m the winnar!”

    Back to the topic; interesting idea… though I can see where the timing pay be of issue with it taking that extra bit of time to move gloved hands rather than nimble thumbs.

    I wonder if he could make a version with bigger zones to punch and a softer input method… that might be a bit more appealing.

  2. sam seide says:

    Hey, this is sam, they guy that put this together.

    You wouldn’t believe the difference in timing when you actually have to punch versus just pushing the button. Having played this game for so many years, it’s hard to readjust to having to take a full swing to hit the button.

    We’ve played lots of games using this dummy now without it breaking a button. A good portion of the buttons are actually place in the foam rubber, so that absorbs some of the punch force.

    Arcade buttons can stand up to a pretty good beating. How many button smashers slam these same buttons down playing fighting games at the arcades?

    Would love to see someone improve upon this even more!

  3. Ryan says:

    We did a punching bag project in school that could solve the button issue. We used a flexible strip that generated a voltage as it’s bent, I can’t remember the name of it now. It counted a hit if it was bent fast enough to generate the voltage.

    Ours was a standalone punching bag system so we also used el-wire to indicate where to punch, and that is very flexible so we didn’t need to worry about breaking anything with a hard hit.

  4. jproach says:

    very cool

    Now if you wanted to go all out, use ryans method for the hit zones. Vary difficulty by adjusting the required hit force, and generate different strength punches in game. Then add an IR headband for dodge and block detection (block if you cover the IR LED?).

    This probably wouldn’t work as well as yours with punchout though, you’d want to write your own game too… heh

    Similar example: http://ftpest.uniandes.edu.co/~dian-fer/ (they use piezos in addition to FSRs)

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  7. momotarosan says:

    if I built one, I will make sure that it registers a head-butt (Holyfield style)!

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  9. Sam says:

    how about ears you can bite? Now THAT’s a true mike tyson’s punchout game.

  10. anon says:

    seems counterintuitive to punch when you want to block, but its definitely nifty

  11. Louis II says:

    Wow, awesome follow up!

    What other games have you used it with?

    It’s just really cool to see a project where the authors are interested in the actual physical adaptation of some thing that was a simulation of a physical thing to begin with.

    Duck Hunt will always be one of my favorite games because it implements physical elements to the simulation that are more than keypad pushing.

    The physical contact part of this project is the win here, in my book.
    :-)

  12. MRE says:

    a few ideas:
    How about some sort of air switch? like with a plastic or rubber air pocket hooked to an air trigger switch. Might work and survive much longer than the buttons (apparently they are going strong for the moment)

    and a foot pedal for block a-la time crisis etc.

  13. strider_mt2k says:

    If they are using regular arcade buttons then fear no longer.

    Have you _seen_ how arcade machines are treated?
    -and nobody is using gloves on them, let me assure you!

    If you look at the way those buttons are designed you’ll see they are actually very robust.
    When I serviced arcade machines in the early 90’s it was a rare thing to replace an entire button assembly.
    Usually they were just gunked up with soda and could be washed out back at the shop for re-use.

    even at that the cherry switch was usually just fine and snapped in for further abuse.

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  16. Wwhat says:

    Funny how the guy demonstrating it is pretty scrawny and it’s pretty clear he wish he was less so, so it plays out nicely.
    I wonder if we’ll see a follow-up in a few months to see if it helped.
    Remember to get plenty of proteins, oh and steroids :]

  17. sam seide says:

    I’m not going to take steroids. haha. Yes, I weigh 140 pounds. I do play indoor soccer and am an active person outside of my geeky projects like this one.

    strider is totally right about the arcade buttons. I too worked at an arcade in the late 90’s and the buttons were never a problem. The joysticks may get a little sticky, but you never had to do more than clean them up. Those things are sturdy!

    a foot pedal to block would be neat, if it could be stolen off a time crisis that’d be awesome. The problem with footpads is always movement. It’d have to have some weight behind it (or be attached to the dummy) in order to keep it in the same place all the time. If it moves around, it makes it impossible to know where to push without having to look down. Reason I know this was I made some contact sensors using foil and foam rubber, where when you step down on it it compresses the foam rubber and connects the two pieces of foil. Even though I made quite large pads, since they moved around some while playing, I had difficulty dodging.

  18. Travis says:

    Why not just mount the same arcade buttons you have mounted in the dummy for block and dodge to a small platform on the floor? Then they wouldn’t move around and you could use footwork for dodging and blocking.

  19. sam seide says:

    that would work great as far a durability, but the problem then becomes the size of the button and trying to find it with your foot. I guess the solution would be to maybe make a box that housed the button, then place a board on top with some springs or something to hold it above the button that you could press down. That would probably give it the weight needed plus the size. However, you have to remember, in punchout you have normally just a fraction of a second to hit the button before you end up getting punched. Do you think you could lift up your leg and hit a button fast enough with your foot before the punch hits you? Watch the video to see even how quick it seems to come even just using a punch.

  20. Aleks Clark says:

    well you COULD build this complex button arrangement, or you could use a ddr pad.

  21. sam seide says:

    just thought I’d let everyone know we posted up the follow up video of us actually playing the machine. You can see us punching this thing quite a bit harder and that you can actually KO the opponents using this machine:

  22. Neil M says:

    How about placing a board on the floor with left and right dodge buttons so your feet movement will actually move the player on screen rather than chest buttons?

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