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		<title>By: Gilliam V.</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/06/27/motori-the-plotter/comment-page-1/#comment-79786</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gilliam V.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;how we could apply this to PCB creation.&quot;
per its drawings, its already being applied to creationism. :P]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;how we could apply this to PCB creation.&#8221;<br />
per its drawings, its already being applied to creationism. :P</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/06/27/motori-the-plotter/comment-page-1/#comment-79691</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Only at that point, it wouldn’t be a simple, lightweight, inexpensive plotter, would it?&quot;

lulz, you are right 

the point i am trying to make is that the controller is the most difficult part.  if you can gank it from somewhere, it shouldnt be too difficult or too expensive to make a moderately sized pcb]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Only at that point, it wouldn’t be a simple, lightweight, inexpensive plotter, would it?&#8221;</p>
<p>lulz, you are right </p>
<p>the point i am trying to make is that the controller is the most difficult part.  if you can gank it from somewhere, it shouldnt be too difficult or too expensive to make a moderately sized pcb</p>
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		<title>By: svofski</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/06/27/motori-the-plotter/comment-page-1/#comment-79684</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[svofski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@rs: exactly!


Here&#039;s the project description, circuits and source code: 
http://sensi.org/~svo/motori
It&#039;s a WIP, subject to change without notice ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@rs: exactly!</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the project description, circuits and source code:<br />
<a href="http://sensi.org/~svo/motori" rel="nofollow">http://sensi.org/~svo/motori</a><br />
It&#8217;s a WIP, subject to change without notice ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Ru</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/06/27/motori-the-plotter/comment-page-1/#comment-79669</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ru]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;you just have to make it strong enough to take the weight and vibration&quot;

This is completely true. Also, if you machine the plotter frame out of cast iron and fit it with ballslides and use ballscrews instead of belts to move the head, you could mount a heavy duty milling head on it and cut stainless steel.

Only at that point, it wouldn&#039;t be a simple, lightweight, inexpensive plotter, would it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;you just have to make it strong enough to take the weight and vibration&#8221;</p>
<p>This is completely true. Also, if you machine the plotter frame out of cast iron and fit it with ballslides and use ballscrews instead of belts to move the head, you could mount a heavy duty milling head on it and cut stainless steel.</p>
<p>Only at that point, it wouldn&#8217;t be a simple, lightweight, inexpensive plotter, would it?</p>
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		<title>By: googfan</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/06/27/motori-the-plotter/comment-page-1/#comment-79627</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[googfan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 05:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[that image was sent into space on the pioneer 10]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that image was sent into space on the pioneer 10</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 23:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/NNSRHM]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/NNSRHM" rel="nofollow">http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/NNSRHM</a></p>
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		<title>By: svofski</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[svofski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 22:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can anyone suggest an industrial supply company that would ship internationally? I only know mcmaster-carr, but they don&#039;t do exports.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can anyone suggest an industrial supply company that would ship internationally? I only know mcmaster-carr, but they don&#8217;t do exports.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/06/27/motori-the-plotter/comment-page-1/#comment-79610</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 22:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is great, I have a question. I have very little information on the mechanics of this stuff. I wanted to know how this decides what to draw first, next and last.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is great, I have a question. I have very little information on the mechanics of this stuff. I wanted to know how this decides what to draw first, next and last.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/06/27/motori-the-plotter/comment-page-1/#comment-79605</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 22:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;You can’t hang a dremel on a plotter gantry. Plotters are not rigid enough.&quot;

yes you can, you will have to do some work 

you just have to make it strong enough to take the weight and vibration 

you can get very accurate linear bearings and rails from any industrial supply company...and much more powerful drives for the increased weight

and its not like you cant slow it down a bit if you are overshooting because of the momentum]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You can’t hang a dremel on a plotter gantry. Plotters are not rigid enough.&#8221;</p>
<p>yes you can, you will have to do some work </p>
<p>you just have to make it strong enough to take the weight and vibration </p>
<p>you can get very accurate linear bearings and rails from any industrial supply company&#8230;and much more powerful drives for the increased weight</p>
<p>and its not like you cant slow it down a bit if you are overshooting because of the momentum</p>
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		<title>By: Hackius</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/06/27/motori-the-plotter/comment-page-1/#comment-79571</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hackius]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 15:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Evilhacker: you&#039;re 100% right. This is a HACK site! 
Fartface is a jerk.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evilhacker: you&#8217;re 100% right. This is a HACK site!<br />
Fartface is a jerk.</p>
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		<title>By: Evilhacker</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/06/27/motori-the-plotter/comment-page-1/#comment-79566</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Evilhacker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 14:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is the dude above me a complete jerk or am I wrong? the whole idea of a page like this is to show what people are doing &quot;themselves&quot; not what some commercial company is producing.. I for one love the plotter and think with a little refinement it could make pcb&#039;s for us no problem.. svofski please if you read this release the schematic and any code to go along with it .. I for one cant wait to get building.. with my own toner transfer pcb and all ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is the dude above me a complete jerk or am I wrong? the whole idea of a page like this is to show what people are doing &#8220;themselves&#8221; not what some commercial company is producing.. I for one love the plotter and think with a little refinement it could make pcb&#8217;s for us no problem.. svofski please if you read this release the schematic and any code to go along with it .. I for one cant wait to get building.. with my own toner transfer pcb and all ;)</p>
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		<title>By: fartface</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[fartface]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 13:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How about just send your eagle files to batch PCB and get a board that is done right in short order.

Or if you are ADHD and cant wait, get the blue iron on etch resist pages and etch it yourself  before your bawls sugar and guarana buzz wears off.

I have no idea why you guys are so intent on making etching PCB&#039;s to be a rube goldberg thing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about just send your eagle files to batch PCB and get a board that is done right in short order.</p>
<p>Or if you are ADHD and cant wait, get the blue iron on etch resist pages and etch it yourself  before your bawls sugar and guarana buzz wears off.</p>
<p>I have no idea why you guys are so intent on making etching PCB&#8217;s to be a rube goldberg thing.</p>
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		<title>By: svofski</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[svofski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 11:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi, thanks for mentioning my contraption!

There seems to be confusion about plotter accuracy. I can&#039;t measure it to be +/- 0.5mm exactly, it&#039;s much higher actually and I can draw a PCB many times over the same place and it will reproduce it exactly right every time. This is the good part, but...

all pens that I tried produce lines that are at least thicker than 0.5mm, and this is a serious limitation for a PCB layout, spacing between traces and pads has to be wider than usual. The ink also tends to spread a little bit unevenly on copper, so the result is not comparable with a traditional laser printer/UV photoresist method. It can work for simplier designs though. SOIC is ok, 0.8mm TQFP is ok.

You can&#039;t hang a dremel on a plotter gantry. Plotters are not rigid enough.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, thanks for mentioning my contraption!</p>
<p>There seems to be confusion about plotter accuracy. I can&#8217;t measure it to be +/- 0.5mm exactly, it&#8217;s much higher actually and I can draw a PCB many times over the same place and it will reproduce it exactly right every time. This is the good part, but&#8230;</p>
<p>all pens that I tried produce lines that are at least thicker than 0.5mm, and this is a serious limitation for a PCB layout, spacing between traces and pads has to be wider than usual. The ink also tends to spread a little bit unevenly on copper, so the result is not comparable with a traditional laser printer/UV photoresist method. It can work for simplier designs though. SOIC is ok, 0.8mm TQFP is ok.</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t hang a dremel on a plotter gantry. Plotters are not rigid enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Hackius</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/06/27/motori-the-plotter/comment-page-1/#comment-79553</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hackius]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 09:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[0.5mm isn&#039;t enough accuracy for PCB creation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>0.5mm isn&#8217;t enough accuracy for PCB creation.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Tester</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ian Tester]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 06:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The two nude figures are from the plaques on the Pioneer spacecraft. Look up &quot;pioneer plaque&quot; on Wikipedia.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The two nude figures are from the plaques on the Pioneer spacecraft. Look up &#8220;pioneer plaque&#8221; on Wikipedia.</p>
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