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	<title>Comments on: Parts: ShiftBrite RGB LED module (A6281)</title>
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		<title>By: Lars</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/06/29/parts-shiftbrite-rgb-led-module-a6281/comment-page-1/#comment-190700</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lars]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Oct 2010 16:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@kreso: It&#039;s not made for 1024 daisy-chained chips!

One would parallel-wire strips of 32 or 64, thus requiring 16&lt; parallel data and latch outputs..

stabilizing some of the lines, active repeating.. would also be an addition to stability]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@kreso: It&#8217;s not made for 1024 daisy-chained chips!</p>
<p>One would parallel-wire strips of 32 or 64, thus requiring 16&lt; parallel data and latch outputs..</p>
<p>stabilizing some of the lines, active repeating.. would also be an addition to stability</p>
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		<title>By: kreso</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kreso]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Mar 2010 14:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i have matrix of 1024 allegro chips (same like shiftbright)

I&#039;m very disappointed with behavior of those chips when a little of radio electrical noise or other EMC trash enter to it, they go completely mad, especially if linked in chain....
then nothing other help then re power... :-(
for those project, this is trashed, money....
pcb, was made pro. with good power and signal traces, with many capacitance for stability, so this is not design problem, but very bad designed chip...... (with poor support of allegro) ok it work for hobyst, but for larger pro. project fail.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i have matrix of 1024 allegro chips (same like shiftbright)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m very disappointed with behavior of those chips when a little of radio electrical noise or other EMC trash enter to it, they go completely mad, especially if linked in chain&#8230;.<br />
then nothing other help then re power&#8230; :-(<br />
for those project, this is trashed, money&#8230;.<br />
pcb, was made pro. with good power and signal traces, with many capacitance for stability, so this is not design problem, but very bad designed chip&#8230;&#8230; (with poor support of allegro) ok it work for hobyst, but for larger pro. project fail.</p>
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		<title>By: Bakamoichigei</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/06/29/parts-shiftbrite-rgb-led-module-a6281/comment-page-1/#comment-79854</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bakamoichigei]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I love the shiftbrites.  Great little devices.  iirc, I bought like the last 10 of mace&#039;s first production run.  Work like a charm with the Arduino.

I believe it was also his site that introduced me to Sparkfun. (As well as his eBay supplier for the RGB LEDs on the shiftbrites)

I see he now has a Shiftbrite shield for the Arduino, I&#039;ll have to add that to my to-buy list. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the shiftbrites.  Great little devices.  iirc, I bought like the last 10 of mace&#8217;s first production run.  Work like a charm with the Arduino.</p>
<p>I believe it was also his site that introduced me to Sparkfun. (As well as his eBay supplier for the RGB LEDs on the shiftbrites)</p>
<p>I see he now has a Shiftbrite shield for the Arduino, I&#8217;ll have to add that to my to-buy list. :)</p>
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		<title>By: mojo</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/06/29/parts-shiftbrite-rgb-led-module-a6281/comment-page-1/#comment-79820</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mojo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 17:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i have noticed that RGB LEDs are incapable of creating a true colour spectrum in most cases. for example, it&#039;s really hard to make a good brown colour with an RGB LED.

the problem seems to be that the output of each individual red, green and blue LED does not go low enough with PWM to produce the very low levels of each colour required for more subtle shades.

the 10 bit PWM on the allegro is pointless, you will be lucky to get 4 bits of colour resolution from an RGB LED. it may seem like more in the demos where they fade from one colour to another, but that&#039;s only dealing with primary colours which are some combination of full R/G/B.

the problem is that even at the lowest end of PWM, the current required to turn the LED on is too high to get down to under about 40% brightness with a 1 in 1024 (10 bit) PWM. Any lower and the LED does not light at all.

the only thing which may work is constant current control, but i have not had time to experiment with it yet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i have noticed that RGB LEDs are incapable of creating a true colour spectrum in most cases. for example, it&#8217;s really hard to make a good brown colour with an RGB LED.</p>
<p>the problem seems to be that the output of each individual red, green and blue LED does not go low enough with PWM to produce the very low levels of each colour required for more subtle shades.</p>
<p>the 10 bit PWM on the allegro is pointless, you will be lucky to get 4 bits of colour resolution from an RGB LED. it may seem like more in the demos where they fade from one colour to another, but that&#8217;s only dealing with primary colours which are some combination of full R/G/B.</p>
<p>the problem is that even at the lowest end of PWM, the current required to turn the LED on is too high to get down to under about 40% brightness with a 1 in 1024 (10 bit) PWM. Any lower and the LED does not light at all.</p>
<p>the only thing which may work is constant current control, but i have not had time to experiment with it yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Lesnet</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/06/29/parts-shiftbrite-rgb-led-module-a6281/comment-page-1/#comment-79755</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ian Lesnet]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 06:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The cable seems to be really popular. We&#039;ll have a cable how-to on Thursday. Thanks for the links, I&#039;ll include those as options.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The cable seems to be really popular. We&#8217;ll have a cable how-to on Thursday. Thanks for the links, I&#8217;ll include those as options.</p>
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		<title>By: macegr</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[macegr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I actually have some of those dealextreme probes...and while they work, and are cheap, they are really low quality. At that price you can buy 100 and throw them away as they break, I guess. This is probably a better option: http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=135299]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually have some of those dealextreme probes&#8230;and while they work, and are cheap, they are really low quality. At that price you can buy 100 and throw them away as they break, I guess. This is probably a better option: <a href="http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=135299" rel="nofollow">http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=135299</a></p>
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		<title>By: TRB</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TRB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh nice! Those are crazy cheap. No multicolored pack is a bummer, but I can just use colored electrical tape around the middle. Thanks haku!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh nice! Those are crazy cheap. No multicolored pack is a bummer, but I can just use colored electrical tape around the middle. Thanks haku!</p>
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		<title>By: Haku</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Haku]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh and they also have yellow ones http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.7218

Shame there&#039;s no red ones, especially at that price!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and they also have yellow ones <a href="http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.7218" rel="nofollow">http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.7218</a></p>
<p>Shame there&#8217;s no red ones, especially at that price!</p>
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		<title>By: Haku</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/06/29/parts-shiftbrite-rgb-led-module-a6281/comment-page-1/#comment-79694</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Haku]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I found some of those probes dirt cheap http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.8391]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found some of those probes dirt cheap <a href="http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.8391" rel="nofollow">http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.8391</a></p>
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		<title>By: TRB</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TRB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What kind of probes are those? I&#039;d love to get a set.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What kind of probes are those? I&#8217;d love to get a set.</p>
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