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		<title>By: OMG Idiots!</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/07/11/cheap-cup-holder-laptop-tray/comment-page-1/#comment-152355</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[OMG Idiots!]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 01:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This has to be the dumbest group of morons...  Commercially made versions of this exist by the shit-ton.  The point is they cost typically a hundred dollars or more, so this innovative individual made a fifteen dollar one, thus making it a hack not an invention.  Stop griping about the purpose of the product, lots of people need a laptop mount -- commonly the commercial truck driver and the sales exec.  Give this dude props for his innovation, gripe about the flaws or STFU!  But don&#039;t exclaim its uselessness just because you don&#039;t have use for it -- narrow minded much?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has to be the dumbest group of morons&#8230;  Commercially made versions of this exist by the shit-ton.  The point is they cost typically a hundred dollars or more, so this innovative individual made a fifteen dollar one, thus making it a hack not an invention.  Stop griping about the purpose of the product, lots of people need a laptop mount &#8212; commonly the commercial truck driver and the sales exec.  Give this dude props for his innovation, gripe about the flaws or STFU!  But don&#8217;t exclaim its uselessness just because you don&#8217;t have use for it &#8212; narrow minded much?</p>
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		<title>By: MV</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/07/11/cheap-cup-holder-laptop-tray/comment-page-1/#comment-83992</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MV]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 02:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@mre:

and I quote:
&quot;im not trying to be an asshat hater. but hell.. if your life is *that* busy… maybe its time to find a less busy one.&quot; 

You&#039;re right, you just caused me to experience an epiphany; I&#039;ll go find a less-busy life.  I&#039;ll just go find one, with less busyness, and my problems will be solved.

Get real; this &quot;hack&quot; definitely deserves props in that a wide variety of professions can benefit from this simple tray.  Anyone who thinks it should be used during driving is simple wrong; it should be common sense that it is to be used when you&#039;re not also attempting to drive.  Only several people will truly make a mistake that takes their lives before everyone gets the picture.  

This can help those of us with truly busy lives, when used as responsibly/safely as possible, and that&#039;s indisputable. 

-MV]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@mre:</p>
<p>and I quote:<br />
&#8220;im not trying to be an asshat hater. but hell.. if your life is *that* busy… maybe its time to find a less busy one.&#8221; </p>
<p>You&#8217;re right, you just caused me to experience an epiphany; I&#8217;ll go find a less-busy life.  I&#8217;ll just go find one, with less busyness, and my problems will be solved.</p>
<p>Get real; this &#8220;hack&#8221; definitely deserves props in that a wide variety of professions can benefit from this simple tray.  Anyone who thinks it should be used during driving is simple wrong; it should be common sense that it is to be used when you&#8217;re not also attempting to drive.  Only several people will truly make a mistake that takes their lives before everyone gets the picture.  </p>
<p>This can help those of us with truly busy lives, when used as responsibly/safely as possible, and that&#8217;s indisputable. </p>
<p>-MV</p>
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		<title>By: andBeans</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/07/11/cheap-cup-holder-laptop-tray/comment-page-1/#comment-82505</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[andBeans]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@barry99705

Tell your dad to just get an external antenna for his tomtom/garmin and move the thing away from the window.  It&#039;s much cheaper than a laptop. ;0]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@barry99705</p>
<p>Tell your dad to just get an external antenna for his tomtom/garmin and move the thing away from the window.  It&#8217;s much cheaper than a laptop. ;0</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/07/11/cheap-cup-holder-laptop-tray/comment-page-1/#comment-82154</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christopher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 13:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i like the idea of this, i used to have a perfect laptop stand i built for when i was driving a semi truck, using streets and trips, it consisted of a legal outbox which held the laptop, drawer liners to keep it from sliding, a 12v fan to the cig lighter, and some foam rubber to cushion the consent beating the road gave it]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i like the idea of this, i used to have a perfect laptop stand i built for when i was driving a semi truck, using streets and trips, it consisted of a legal outbox which held the laptop, drawer liners to keep it from sliding, a 12v fan to the cig lighter, and some foam rubber to cushion the consent beating the road gave it</p>
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		<title>By: essecks</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/07/11/cheap-cup-holder-laptop-tray/comment-page-1/#comment-81608</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[essecks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 05:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[....seriously?

from that link:

&quot;And before you all start writing me and saying how unsafe it is to use the computer while driving, don&#039;t panic. I don&#039;t use it while driving. I use it while stopped, usually at sales. It&#039;s a lot more convenient than trying to balance it on my lap or the armrest.&quot;

&quot;Since the tray is so easy to remove by just pulling it out of the cup-holder, I generally leave it on the passenger side floor when I am moving, and only pop it in place when I am parked and need to use it to research an item. &quot;

dear god, i thought this place was full of people who knew how to read.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;.seriously?</p>
<p>from that link:</p>
<p>&#8220;And before you all start writing me and saying how unsafe it is to use the computer while driving, don&#8217;t panic. I don&#8217;t use it while driving. I use it while stopped, usually at sales. It&#8217;s a lot more convenient than trying to balance it on my lap or the armrest.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Since the tray is so easy to remove by just pulling it out of the cup-holder, I generally leave it on the passenger side floor when I am moving, and only pop it in place when I am parked and need to use it to research an item. &#8221;</p>
<p>dear god, i thought this place was full of people who knew how to read.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Aday</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/07/11/cheap-cup-holder-laptop-tray/comment-page-1/#comment-81530</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian Aday]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Gerrit

You are right.  Not sure I would trust this thing without some way to tie the laptop down. The wood wouldn&#039;t hold very well either.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Gerrit</p>
<p>You are right.  Not sure I would trust this thing without some way to tie the laptop down. The wood wouldn&#8217;t hold very well either.</p>
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		<title>By: nubie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nubie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oy, I like it, but as an automotive tech I would pull the cupholders and use a closet flange and maybe some metal strips to attach the bottom to the actual floor of the car.

Or just use a bit of metal and plastic and some short self-tapping screws to reinforce the cupholder.  Maybe even a fender washer with some foam rubber on it and a single screw in the bottom would prevent a possible tear-out of the cupholder.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

The basic design is not at fault, quite ingenious and elegant actually, you just have to rely on your cupholder being strong enough; which is sadly not the case on many vehicles.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oy, I like it, but as an automotive tech I would pull the cupholders and use a closet flange and maybe some metal strips to attach the bottom to the actual floor of the car.</p>
<p>Or just use a bit of metal and plastic and some short self-tapping screws to reinforce the cupholder.  Maybe even a fender washer with some foam rubber on it and a single screw in the bottom would prevent a possible tear-out of the cupholder.</p>
<p>An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.</p>
<p>The basic design is not at fault, quite ingenious and elegant actually, you just have to rely on your cupholder being strong enough; which is sadly not the case on many vehicles.</p>
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		<title>By: strider_mt2k</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/07/11/cheap-cup-holder-laptop-tray/comment-page-1/#comment-81487</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[strider_mt2k]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 12:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Amazing the jackassery this post has caused in the comments.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing the jackassery this post has caused in the comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerrit Coetzee</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/07/11/cheap-cup-holder-laptop-tray/comment-page-1/#comment-81379</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gerrit Coetzee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 17:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Brian Aday

Most plastic cutting boards are nylon because it is non-stick and easy to clean. While it would look nicer the laptop wouldn&#039;t stay on it quite as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Brian Aday</p>
<p>Most plastic cutting boards are nylon because it is non-stick and easy to clean. While it would look nicer the laptop wouldn&#8217;t stay on it quite as well.</p>
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		<title>By: yu</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/07/11/cheap-cup-holder-laptop-tray/comment-page-1/#comment-81378</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[yu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 17:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[its not the laptop that make people idiots... stop blaming everything for the cause of distracted driver... if you are easily distracted, then dont put crap in your car... simple as that... heck, your radio/cd player should be removed ... rear view mirrors should be removed too since it takes your eyes off the front road?? does this make any sense to you???

driving by itself is multitasking, adding another task, like listening to the radio, wont do any harm, unless you are not capable of it... if that is the case, dont do it... duh...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>its not the laptop that make people idiots&#8230; stop blaming everything for the cause of distracted driver&#8230; if you are easily distracted, then dont put crap in your car&#8230; simple as that&#8230; heck, your radio/cd player should be removed &#8230; rear view mirrors should be removed too since it takes your eyes off the front road?? does this make any sense to you???</p>
<p>driving by itself is multitasking, adding another task, like listening to the radio, wont do any harm, unless you are not capable of it&#8230; if that is the case, dont do it&#8230; duh&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: twistedsymphony</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/07/11/cheap-cup-holder-laptop-tray/comment-page-1/#comment-81377</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[twistedsymphony]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 17:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wouldn&#039;t really trust that thing... couple holders in most cars (even the center console like this one) are just thin plastic and the whole center console is only held together with 4 small screws to keep it from sliding around on you. I certainly wouldn&#039;t feel safe using this laptop holder.

When I installed a laptop stand in my WRX for tuning/performance monitoring I bought a Jotto-Desk. it bolts to the transmission tunnel, and was incredibly sturdy and didn&#039;t impede the use of the passenger&#039;s seat at all.

I only paid $80 for the thing and it insalled in 10 minutes... this guy spent $30 and several hours fabricating a sub-par solution. Honestly $80 is cheap money for a device that is designed to protect an expensive laptop.

I&#039;m all for hacking things to improve on an existing product, or making something for your own entertainment/experimentation... but I really hate hacks that are for the sake of saving a buck especially when they end up unintentionally dangerous.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t really trust that thing&#8230; couple holders in most cars (even the center console like this one) are just thin plastic and the whole center console is only held together with 4 small screws to keep it from sliding around on you. I certainly wouldn&#8217;t feel safe using this laptop holder.</p>
<p>When I installed a laptop stand in my WRX for tuning/performance monitoring I bought a Jotto-Desk. it bolts to the transmission tunnel, and was incredibly sturdy and didn&#8217;t impede the use of the passenger&#8217;s seat at all.</p>
<p>I only paid $80 for the thing and it insalled in 10 minutes&#8230; this guy spent $30 and several hours fabricating a sub-par solution. Honestly $80 is cheap money for a device that is designed to protect an expensive laptop.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m all for hacking things to improve on an existing product, or making something for your own entertainment/experimentation&#8230; but I really hate hacks that are for the sake of saving a buck especially when they end up unintentionally dangerous.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Aday</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/07/11/cheap-cup-holder-laptop-tray/comment-page-1/#comment-81369</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian Aday]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, and BTW.  Driving while distracted is already a crime. There are quite a few people who use these things including cops, the electric company, and yes your nav system counts. People are the problem. You can&#039;t legislate people into being responsible.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and BTW.  Driving while distracted is already a crime. There are quite a few people who use these things including cops, the electric company, and yes your nav system counts. People are the problem. You can&#8217;t legislate people into being responsible.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Aday</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/07/11/cheap-cup-holder-laptop-tray/comment-page-1/#comment-81368</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian Aday]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Love it!  One suggestion, substitute a plastic cutting board for the tray!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love it!  One suggestion, substitute a plastic cutting board for the tray!</p>
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		<title>By: l0stpr0ph3ts223</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/07/11/cheap-cup-holder-laptop-tray/comment-page-1/#comment-81332</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[l0stpr0ph3ts223]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know why there are so many foolish people on here.

@lejupp

You are a complete idiot. Of course mre didn&#039;t mean ONLY lcd, he meant any kind of screen. And I think he&#039;s absolutely right; they should be outlawed.

@ Everyone

While I agree that this is a good hack, it does pose some problems. It&#039;s original intent might be for the overworked traveler, but it&#039;s sure to attract the overeager multi-tasker. While someone who needs to be in constant contact with coworkers (like hospital personnel) might just use it intermittently while stopped and taking breaks, others might use it whilst driving and loose concentration on what&#039;s really important; the road. Yes, there are people everywhere that manage to put on makeup, check a navigation system, or flip through some CDs for music, but when a computer comes into play, we all know that its bright display and many buttons are simply irresistible. I&#039;m sure gerrit coetzee meant no harm in this simple hack, but the potential for disaster is too great for this to be widely used or publicized.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know why there are so many foolish people on here.</p>
<p>@lejupp</p>
<p>You are a complete idiot. Of course mre didn&#8217;t mean ONLY lcd, he meant any kind of screen. And I think he&#8217;s absolutely right; they should be outlawed.</p>
<p>@ Everyone</p>
<p>While I agree that this is a good hack, it does pose some problems. It&#8217;s original intent might be for the overworked traveler, but it&#8217;s sure to attract the overeager multi-tasker. While someone who needs to be in constant contact with coworkers (like hospital personnel) might just use it intermittently while stopped and taking breaks, others might use it whilst driving and loose concentration on what&#8217;s really important; the road. Yes, there are people everywhere that manage to put on makeup, check a navigation system, or flip through some CDs for music, but when a computer comes into play, we all know that its bright display and many buttons are simply irresistible. I&#8217;m sure gerrit coetzee meant no harm in this simple hack, but the potential for disaster is too great for this to be widely used or publicized.</p>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/07/11/cheap-cup-holder-laptop-tray/comment-page-1/#comment-81330</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[GENTLEMEN, BEHOLD. I present a car accessory that allows you to fully tint the windscreen and drive via Google Streetview.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GENTLEMEN, BEHOLD. I present a car accessory that allows you to fully tint the windscreen and drive via Google Streetview.</p>
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