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		<title>By: rf receivers</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/07/17/build-a-wireless-keylogger/comment-page-1/#comment-124293</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rf receivers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 23:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice Information! I personally really like your writing. This is a great website.  I will make sure that I stop back again!.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice Information! I personally really like your writing. This is a great website.  I will make sure that I stop back again!.</p>
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		<title>By: secure wifi</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/07/17/build-a-wireless-keylogger/comment-page-1/#comment-119963</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[secure wifi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 00:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[just seen this on twitter cheers for the info.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just seen this on twitter cheers for the info.</p>
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		<title>By: meanmrmustard</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/07/17/build-a-wireless-keylogger/comment-page-1/#comment-83208</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[meanmrmustard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 16:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[27 Mhz? That&#039;s where Citizen&#039;s Band operates. Wonder if it&#039;s right next to a highway if CB would interfere? &quot;10-4 good buddy, I&#039;ve got your password now&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>27 Mhz? That&#8217;s where Citizen&#8217;s Band operates. Wonder if it&#8217;s right next to a highway if CB would interfere? &#8220;10-4 good buddy, I&#8217;ve got your password now&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: TJHooker</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/07/17/build-a-wireless-keylogger/comment-page-1/#comment-82239</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TJHooker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 02:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@will: unless it&#039;s changed it only supports 27mhz based units which only accounts for a small demographic mostly consisting of off brand cheap RF keyboards.

If you go look what&#039;s on the market, the RF ones are a minority, and still range for low Mhz all the way up to a couple Ghz. The other two types are bluetooth and infrared.

That board it just a thrown together circuit proving an algorithm. people are going to buy it though and realize how useless it is without redesign shortly after.

one thing worth noting is a keylogger is for the most part useless without a good bootkit and/or economical feasible design; expect it to be found. Using it for the mentioned &quot;legit&quot; applications is silly considering they are 3x the cost of existing solutions in most cases.

There are high level of abstraction application processors out there that could by themselves make a wireless PS/2 USB hybrid keylogger with the addition of a few passive components for a fraction of the cost of all others.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@will: unless it&#8217;s changed it only supports 27mhz based units which only accounts for a small demographic mostly consisting of off brand cheap RF keyboards.</p>
<p>If you go look what&#8217;s on the market, the RF ones are a minority, and still range for low Mhz all the way up to a couple Ghz. The other two types are bluetooth and infrared.</p>
<p>That board it just a thrown together circuit proving an algorithm. people are going to buy it though and realize how useless it is without redesign shortly after.</p>
<p>one thing worth noting is a keylogger is for the most part useless without a good bootkit and/or economical feasible design; expect it to be found. Using it for the mentioned &#8220;legit&#8221; applications is silly considering they are 3x the cost of existing solutions in most cases.</p>
<p>There are high level of abstraction application processors out there that could by themselves make a wireless PS/2 USB hybrid keylogger with the addition of a few passive components for a fraction of the cost of all others.</p>
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		<title>By: will</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/07/17/build-a-wireless-keylogger/comment-page-1/#comment-82171</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[will]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 18:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@g3n:

There is a wireless sniffer going to be available to build soon

http://hackaday.com/2009/06/04/keykeriki-wireless-keyboard-sniffer/

http://www.remote-exploit.org/Keykeriki.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@g3n:</p>
<p>There is a wireless sniffer going to be available to build soon</p>
<p><a href="http://hackaday.com/2009/06/04/keykeriki-wireless-keyboard-sniffer/" rel="nofollow">http://hackaday.com/2009/06/04/keykeriki-wireless-keyboard-sniffer/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.remote-exploit.org/Keykeriki.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.remote-exploit.org/Keykeriki.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: kabukicho2001</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/07/17/build-a-wireless-keylogger/comment-page-1/#comment-82164</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kabukicho2001]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 16:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not needing rx if you have wifi dongle to work as rx.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not needing rx if you have wifi dongle to work as rx.</p>
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		<title>By: TJHooker</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/07/17/build-a-wireless-keylogger/comment-page-1/#comment-82163</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TJHooker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 14:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Mephistopheles: I was thinking the same thing. All the &quot;legit&quot; uses have consumer solutions that are ~2/5 the cost.

PS/2 does in fact use a clock, it&#039;s always with the map controller in the keyboard casing. USB keyboards just do block transfers on to the south bridge. Both use interrupts though a single IC/map controller.

They must have good resources because I priced the project around $40 which is what their non-soldered kit costs.

I&#039;ve seen custom ones that where used in industrial espionage. They where a super small PCB with just a asic and 4 passive surface mount components bus tapped in the keyboard casing  with a trace style antenna. the chip basically retransmitted the USB data and sent what was in the buffer out on bluetooth. what&#039;s interesting is it was bus power.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mephistopheles: I was thinking the same thing. All the &#8220;legit&#8221; uses have consumer solutions that are ~2/5 the cost.</p>
<p>PS/2 does in fact use a clock, it&#8217;s always with the map controller in the keyboard casing. USB keyboards just do block transfers on to the south bridge. Both use interrupts though a single IC/map controller.</p>
<p>They must have good resources because I priced the project around $40 which is what their non-soldered kit costs.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen custom ones that where used in industrial espionage. They where a super small PCB with just a asic and 4 passive surface mount components bus tapped in the keyboard casing  with a trace style antenna. the chip basically retransmitted the USB data and sent what was in the buffer out on bluetooth. what&#8217;s interesting is it was bus power.</p>
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		<title>By: Mephistopheles</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/07/17/build-a-wireless-keylogger/comment-page-1/#comment-82157</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mephistopheles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 14:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m really struggling to see the legit use for this.
Remote keyboard @ a kiosk? Come on, do you have a telescope to see the screen or something? 
Plus you&#039;d still need to power the &quot;remote&quot; keyboard (and maybe a clock? I don&#039;t know how PS/2 works)

And the PS/2 side is Tx only so you can&#039;t do many pranks with it (unless the pranks involve password theft).

Still, good to see a (somewhat) open design, could be useful for others to build upon. Assuming they can work from the binary firmware files...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m really struggling to see the legit use for this.<br />
Remote keyboard @ a kiosk? Come on, do you have a telescope to see the screen or something?<br />
Plus you&#8217;d still need to power the &#8220;remote&#8221; keyboard (and maybe a clock? I don&#8217;t know how PS/2 works)</p>
<p>And the PS/2 side is Tx only so you can&#8217;t do many pranks with it (unless the pranks involve password theft).</p>
<p>Still, good to see a (somewhat) open design, could be useful for others to build upon. Assuming they can work from the binary firmware files&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: tjhooker</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/07/17/build-a-wireless-keylogger/comment-page-1/#comment-82148</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tjhooker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 11:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[it only does PS2 with the firmware. The firmware is binary only, and the driver is a windows generic. They also use an app with a protocol.

it&#039;s best to use all surface mount components to keep the pcb geometry down, and it&#039;ll still cost around $40 US whether you buy their kits or do it yourself. the typical soccer kid and/or trust fund baby can afford that.

the ideal design would be an asic with usb and bluetooth integrated with some on die flash for your code. such a surface mount chip would only be like $10 at the most and the circuit would need a few passive components. I&#039;d only do it for USB as I rarely see PS/2 used anymore.

The reason I wouldn&#039;t bother with this is because of the cost and it&#039;s still too bulky. ps/2 isn&#039;t too popular anymore either. people who are a real threat with this stuff would make a bus tap solution with my idea and have it inside the keyboard.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it only does PS2 with the firmware. The firmware is binary only, and the driver is a windows generic. They also use an app with a protocol.</p>
<p>it&#8217;s best to use all surface mount components to keep the pcb geometry down, and it&#8217;ll still cost around $40 US whether you buy their kits or do it yourself. the typical soccer kid and/or trust fund baby can afford that.</p>
<p>the ideal design would be an asic with usb and bluetooth integrated with some on die flash for your code. such a surface mount chip would only be like $10 at the most and the circuit would need a few passive components. I&#8217;d only do it for USB as I rarely see PS/2 used anymore.</p>
<p>The reason I wouldn&#8217;t bother with this is because of the cost and it&#8217;s still too bulky. ps/2 isn&#8217;t too popular anymore either. people who are a real threat with this stuff would make a bus tap solution with my idea and have it inside the keyboard.</p>
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		<title>By: myspacee</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/07/17/build-a-wireless-keylogger/comment-page-1/#comment-82137</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[myspacee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 08:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[interesting,
can be used to grab wireless xbox gamepad traffic?

this is one of biggest chimera that rest unsolved...

m.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>interesting,<br />
can be used to grab wireless xbox gamepad traffic?</p>
<p>this is one of biggest chimera that rest unsolved&#8230;</p>
<p>m.</p>
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		<title>By: Ad</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/07/17/build-a-wireless-keylogger/comment-page-1/#comment-82131</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 05:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It would be more interesting if you could get a device that Could work out what the keys being typed by the leakage of power from the cables of the keyboard, then it would be easier to hide it (you couldnt work out that the stapeler is stealing your data, but you can tell by looking at the cable that it&#039;s being intercepted by the device (and what if the victim stumbles upon the password?))]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be more interesting if you could get a device that Could work out what the keys being typed by the leakage of power from the cables of the keyboard, then it would be easier to hide it (you couldnt work out that the stapeler is stealing your data, but you can tell by looking at the cable that it&#8217;s being intercepted by the device (and what if the victim stumbles upon the password?))</p>
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		<title>By: Winston</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/07/17/build-a-wireless-keylogger/comment-page-1/#comment-82124</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Winston]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 02:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[cool... to watch some one try to show his mom that cooking recipe website and keep typing that nasty freaky porn site.... hilarious!
But at 150 foot distance as a remote keyboard, too many uses to mention. Wonder if it would work at capturing mouse data also?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cool&#8230; to watch some one try to show his mom that cooking recipe website and keep typing that nasty freaky porn site&#8230;. hilarious!<br />
But at 150 foot distance as a remote keyboard, too many uses to mention. Wonder if it would work at capturing mouse data also?</p>
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		<title>By: g3n</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/07/17/build-a-wireless-keylogger/comment-page-1/#comment-82123</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[g3n]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 02:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i&#039;m very disappointed, i thought it was a keylogger for 2.4 ghz wireless keyboards, not a keystroke transmitter.

Maybe there&#039;s a way to make one using this info, although i don&#039;t know if they use some kind of encryption/channel coding.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m very disappointed, i thought it was a keylogger for 2.4 ghz wireless keyboards, not a keystroke transmitter.</p>
<p>Maybe there&#8217;s a way to make one using this info, although i don&#8217;t know if they use some kind of encryption/channel coding.</p>
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		<title>By: Stunmonkey</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/07/17/build-a-wireless-keylogger/comment-page-1/#comment-82121</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stunmonkey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 02:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is neat. It has many cool legit uses, hardware hacking uses, and simple prank uses in addition to its obvious darker use.

 In other words, its a tool, which is morally neutral. 

 Nonetheless, cue the indignant outrage at it existing/having been mentioned here in 3,2,1......]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is neat. It has many cool legit uses, hardware hacking uses, and simple prank uses in addition to its obvious darker use.</p>
<p> In other words, its a tool, which is morally neutral. </p>
<p> Nonetheless, cue the indignant outrage at it existing/having been mentioned here in 3,2,1&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: blah</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/07/17/build-a-wireless-keylogger/comment-page-1/#comment-82112</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[blah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 23:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is a another version on the
Afrotech website:

http://www.afrotechmods.com/cheap/cuecat/cuecat.htm
http://servv89pn0aj.sn.sourcedns.com/~gbpprorg/mil/keystroke/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a another version on the<br />
Afrotech website:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.afrotechmods.com/cheap/cuecat/cuecat.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.afrotechmods.com/cheap/cuecat/cuecat.htm</a><br />
<a href="http://servv89pn0aj.sn.sourcedns.com/~gbpprorg/mil/keystroke/" rel="nofollow">http://servv89pn0aj.sn.sourcedns.com/~gbpprorg/mil/keystroke/</a></p>
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