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	<title>Comments on: Halloween prop: DIY fog machine</title>
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		<title>By: bob barker</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bob barker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Oct 2010 19:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[irresponsible and dangerous

Perhaps no component of making fog or smoke is as misunderstood, or as underrated, as the fluids used in the process. Fog fluids used in these processes are made from a series of glycols mixed with water. Glycols are among the most commonly used chemicals in the world and are found in products from food to cosmetics. The choice of which glycols manufacturers use should be made very carefully.

Fog machines and fluids are designed as systems. Specific fluid formulas require specific temperature for optimum aerosolization during the &quot;flashing&quot; process. Manufacturers of fog equipment design their machines to be compatible with their fluids. If a machine is calibrated at too low a temperature for a given fluid, the result can be &quot;wet&quot; fog that can leave a residue. If the temperature is too high, the fluid can &quot;burn&quot; or decompose the fluid, thus changing its chemical composition. This &quot;burning&quot; can create harmful byproducts.

In a recent report, an agency of the US Federal Government, the National Institute of Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH) recommended &quot;using only fog fluids approved by the manufacturers of the machines&quot;. (HETA 90-355-2449)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>irresponsible and dangerous</p>
<p>Perhaps no component of making fog or smoke is as misunderstood, or as underrated, as the fluids used in the process. Fog fluids used in these processes are made from a series of glycols mixed with water. Glycols are among the most commonly used chemicals in the world and are found in products from food to cosmetics. The choice of which glycols manufacturers use should be made very carefully.</p>
<p>Fog machines and fluids are designed as systems. Specific fluid formulas require specific temperature for optimum aerosolization during the &#8220;flashing&#8221; process. Manufacturers of fog equipment design their machines to be compatible with their fluids. If a machine is calibrated at too low a temperature for a given fluid, the result can be &#8220;wet&#8221; fog that can leave a residue. If the temperature is too high, the fluid can &#8220;burn&#8221; or decompose the fluid, thus changing its chemical composition. This &#8220;burning&#8221; can create harmful byproducts.</p>
<p>In a recent report, an agency of the US Federal Government, the National Institute of Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH) recommended &#8220;using only fog fluids approved by the manufacturers of the machines&#8221;. (HETA 90-355-2449)</p>
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		<title>By: drew</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/10/15/halloween-prop-diy-fog-machine/comment-page-1/#comment-104963</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[drew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Couldn&#039;t you just fill a steam iron with fog juice and let it hang sort of frontways? I have an iron with a little regulator switch to control the flow onto the steam element, it just steams when the iron is tipped down a bit, I&#039;m sure that would work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couldn&#8217;t you just fill a steam iron with fog juice and let it hang sort of frontways? I have an iron with a little regulator switch to control the flow onto the steam element, it just steams when the iron is tipped down a bit, I&#8217;m sure that would work.</p>
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		<title>By: METAL BLOOD</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/10/15/halloween-prop-diy-fog-machine/comment-page-1/#comment-102315</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[METAL BLOOD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 11:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[just a few quick questions, how exactly is this all setup? it doesn&#039;t really go into details on how to mount the iron. Now, why not just us small griddle heating unit in the bottom of the pan, i mean you can get a tiny griddle for cheap and just use the heating source for the machine for halloween, then pull it out afterwards. also, why run a 12 volt fan? you can pick up a little hand fan from wal-mart for like 3 bucks that will run all night on a pair of AA&#039;s. just so long as you figure out a way to mount it. As long as the fog comes out of the box it should not just disperse quickly. you could possibly mount it with just a hole barely big enough for the body of the hand held fan to fit through and cut some slats so the fan can push the air through. As far as making your own fog juice. where i live Fog juice is everywhere, wal-mart, K-mart, Target, Halloween Express, The Party Store, seriously everywhere i have seen that have halloween costumes they have a $30 fog machine and right next to that is a stack of fog Juice Bottles. 

On a Side Note: i happen to notice that no one has mentioned if you make a second chamber with nothing but ice in it connected to the fogger with  2 holes so the fog runs through the second chamber  it will cool the fog so the fog doesn&#039;t just fly everywhere. honestly if you are going to have fog for halloween it is best when it sticks to the ground, because when you have the fog come directly out it is coming out at that hot temp and just rises up. it is way better to have a chiller box attached IMO.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just a few quick questions, how exactly is this all setup? it doesn&#8217;t really go into details on how to mount the iron. Now, why not just us small griddle heating unit in the bottom of the pan, i mean you can get a tiny griddle for cheap and just use the heating source for the machine for halloween, then pull it out afterwards. also, why run a 12 volt fan? you can pick up a little hand fan from wal-mart for like 3 bucks that will run all night on a pair of AA&#8217;s. just so long as you figure out a way to mount it. As long as the fog comes out of the box it should not just disperse quickly. you could possibly mount it with just a hole barely big enough for the body of the hand held fan to fit through and cut some slats so the fan can push the air through. As far as making your own fog juice. where i live Fog juice is everywhere, wal-mart, K-mart, Target, Halloween Express, The Party Store, seriously everywhere i have seen that have halloween costumes they have a $30 fog machine and right next to that is a stack of fog Juice Bottles. </p>
<p>On a Side Note: i happen to notice that no one has mentioned if you make a second chamber with nothing but ice in it connected to the fogger with  2 holes so the fog runs through the second chamber  it will cool the fog so the fog doesn&#8217;t just fly everywhere. honestly if you are going to have fog for halloween it is best when it sticks to the ground, because when you have the fog come directly out it is coming out at that hot temp and just rises up. it is way better to have a chiller box attached IMO.</p>
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		<title>By: ehrichweiss</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/10/15/halloween-prop-diy-fog-machine/comment-page-1/#comment-101713</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ehrichweiss]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Zygomatic and anyone who thinks that this is dangerous because it might be the wrong temperature, please answer this question for me....

How is it possible to get the fluid to evaporate at a temperature higher than it evaporates? 

Or rather, water boils at 212F, so how do we get the water up to 220F? 

The answer is: a fluid will not reach a temperature higher than its evaporation point(for the particular pressure it happens to be). The gas can get hotter but never the liquid. 

So this would be fine and plenty safe.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zygomatic and anyone who thinks that this is dangerous because it might be the wrong temperature, please answer this question for me&#8230;.</p>
<p>How is it possible to get the fluid to evaporate at a temperature higher than it evaporates? </p>
<p>Or rather, water boils at 212F, so how do we get the water up to 220F? </p>
<p>The answer is: a fluid will not reach a temperature higher than its evaporation point(for the particular pressure it happens to be). The gas can get hotter but never the liquid. </p>
<p>So this would be fine and plenty safe.</p>
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		<title>By: cbob</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/10/15/halloween-prop-diy-fog-machine/comment-page-1/#comment-101680</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cbob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[a soldering iron would prob work if kept dry-ish, it&#039;d need a some form of thermostat tho. some form of adjustable timer should do the trick.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a soldering iron would prob work if kept dry-ish, it&#8217;d need a some form of thermostat tho. some form of adjustable timer should do the trick.</p>
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		<title>By: shadow</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/10/15/halloween-prop-diy-fog-machine/comment-page-1/#comment-101679</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[shadow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wouldnt a soldering iron do just as good a job? plus it would be alot more smaller and easier to mount]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wouldnt a soldering iron do just as good a job? plus it would be alot more smaller and easier to mount</p>
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		<title>By: blizzarddemon</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/10/15/halloween-prop-diy-fog-machine/comment-page-1/#comment-101673</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[blizzarddemon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@larrysanchez Not really...

  &quot;Excessive, repeated exposure to glycerine may cause increased fat levels in the blood.
Glycerine has not caused cancer in laboratory testing, nor did it cause birth defects or other fetal effects.&quot;

From:  http://www.dow.com/PublishedLiterature/dh_01ad/0901b803801ade92.pdf?filepath=productsafety/pdfs/noreg/233-00490.pdf&amp;fromPage=GetDoc]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@larrysanchez Not really&#8230;</p>
<p>  &#8220;Excessive, repeated exposure to glycerine may cause increased fat levels in the blood.<br />
Glycerine has not caused cancer in laboratory testing, nor did it cause birth defects or other fetal effects.&#8221;</p>
<p>From:  <a href="http://www.dow.com/PublishedLiterature/dh_01ad/0901b803801ade92.pdf?filepath=productsafety/pdfs/noreg/233-00490.pdf&#038;fromPage=GetDoc" rel="nofollow">http://www.dow.com/PublishedLiterature/dh_01ad/0901b803801ade92.pdf?filepath=productsafety/pdfs/noreg/233-00490.pdf&#038;fromPage=GetDoc</a></p>
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		<title>By: _matt</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/10/15/halloween-prop-diy-fog-machine/comment-page-1/#comment-101664</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[_matt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How long does the fog sit around for? I could see this if it lasted a long time, otherwise I&#039;d just buy a crap ton of dry ice and dunk it in a large bucket of very hot water, and make sure you don&#039;t fill up a whole room with co2.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How long does the fog sit around for? I could see this if it lasted a long time, otherwise I&#8217;d just buy a crap ton of dry ice and dunk it in a large bucket of very hot water, and make sure you don&#8217;t fill up a whole room with co2.</p>
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		<title>By: funnehguy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[funnehguy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anyone else see the baloon kid reference in this?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone else see the baloon kid reference in this?</p>
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		<title>By: larrysanchez</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/10/15/halloween-prop-diy-fog-machine/comment-page-1/#comment-101640</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[larrysanchez]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Kelseylf Steam NO vapour actually.... I work in theate and fog fluid is generally based on glycerine and water. It certainly does not make steam.  I also agree with Zygomatic, fog fluid burnt at the wrong temperature can be carcinogenic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kelseylf Steam NO vapour actually&#8230;. I work in theate and fog fluid is generally based on glycerine and water. It certainly does not make steam.  I also agree with Zygomatic, fog fluid burnt at the wrong temperature can be carcinogenic.</p>
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		<title>By: Stendall</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/10/15/halloween-prop-diy-fog-machine/comment-page-1/#comment-101627</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stendall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How to get the same with a quarter of size and in less time:
One hot glue pistol (like the one in the video)
One Christmas tree lights controller for AC.
One small aquarium air pump.
Small jar (like a peanuts butter one).
2 or 3 feet&#039;s of aquarium flexible tubing.

Making of:
Do a two small holes in the cap of the jar. Little less than the diameter of the air pipe.
Cut the tubing in half to get 2 pipes.
Put one end of the first pipe inside the cap, down to the bottom of the jar.
Secure the end of the second pipe at 1/4 inch or less after passing the hole.
Attach the free end of the second pipe to the air pump.
Plug the air pump into the Christmas lights controller.
Assure the pipes with the hot glue.
Disassemble the hot glue to get the heating element.
Fit the free end of the first pipe to the glue bar intake of the heating element.
Maybe and depending of the construction of the heating element, will be necessary that another more heat resistant element be fitted between the tubing and the heating element.

Use:
Fill the jar with smoke liquid almost to the top  and put the cap on.
Connect to the wall outlet the heating element.
Way a few minutes and connect the Christmas light controller too.


Enjoy the smoke.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How to get the same with a quarter of size and in less time:<br />
One hot glue pistol (like the one in the video)<br />
One Christmas tree lights controller for AC.<br />
One small aquarium air pump.<br />
Small jar (like a peanuts butter one).<br />
2 or 3 feet&#8217;s of aquarium flexible tubing.</p>
<p>Making of:<br />
Do a two small holes in the cap of the jar. Little less than the diameter of the air pipe.<br />
Cut the tubing in half to get 2 pipes.<br />
Put one end of the first pipe inside the cap, down to the bottom of the jar.<br />
Secure the end of the second pipe at 1/4 inch or less after passing the hole.<br />
Attach the free end of the second pipe to the air pump.<br />
Plug the air pump into the Christmas lights controller.<br />
Assure the pipes with the hot glue.<br />
Disassemble the hot glue to get the heating element.<br />
Fit the free end of the first pipe to the glue bar intake of the heating element.<br />
Maybe and depending of the construction of the heating element, will be necessary that another more heat resistant element be fitted between the tubing and the heating element.</p>
<p>Use:<br />
Fill the jar with smoke liquid almost to the top  and put the cap on.<br />
Connect to the wall outlet the heating element.<br />
Way a few minutes and connect the Christmas light controller too.</p>
<p>Enjoy the smoke.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelseylf</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/10/15/halloween-prop-diy-fog-machine/comment-page-1/#comment-101619</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kelseylf]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Smoke? NO! Steam! yes. wow you guys a really reaching for stuff to post!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smoke? NO! Steam! yes. wow you guys a really reaching for stuff to post!</p>
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		<title>By: nanomonkey</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/10/15/halloween-prop-diy-fog-machine/comment-page-1/#comment-101607</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nanomonkey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Be careful heating up glycerine, as anyone who has made biodiesel knows, burning glycerine gives off toxic gases.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Be careful heating up glycerine, as anyone who has made biodiesel knows, burning glycerine gives off toxic gases.</p>
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		<title>By: Ace</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/10/15/halloween-prop-diy-fog-machine/comment-page-1/#comment-101605</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[if you connect this setup with another chamber filled with ice(or anything cooled) the fog will become thicker and stay lower to the ground.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if you connect this setup with another chamber filled with ice(or anything cooled) the fog will become thicker and stay lower to the ground.</p>
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		<title>By: Skyler</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/10/15/halloween-prop-diy-fog-machine/comment-page-1/#comment-101581</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Skyler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oooh, now the wheels are turning...

Now I just need to find a good heating element. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oooh, now the wheels are turning&#8230;</p>
<p>Now I just need to find a good heating element. :)</p>
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