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		<title>By: Gerald</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/10/20/well-engineered-diy-segway/comment-page-1/#comment-205645</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gerald]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Oct 2010 07:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just so you guys know, the code on the website is missing major bits. Like its missing the loop() which is essential for an arduino. If anyone has that may i have it? My email is vignesh1230 AT gmail DOT com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just so you guys know, the code on the website is missing major bits. Like its missing the loop() which is essential for an arduino. If anyone has that may i have it? My email is vignesh1230 AT gmail DOT com</p>
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		<title>By: Rupert Ferder</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/10/20/well-engineered-diy-segway/comment-page-1/#comment-108240</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rupert Ferder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 23:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey mark
Love the controversial feedback you&#039;re getting!
When can i ride this thing?!
Rupie x]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey mark<br />
Love the controversial feedback you&#8217;re getting!<br />
When can i ride this thing?!<br />
Rupie x</p>
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		<title>By: Aldrin Nunes</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/10/20/well-engineered-diy-segway/comment-page-1/#comment-108206</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aldrin Nunes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mark, could you e-mail with the necessary tools, hardware and electronics, I really need build one.
thank you in advance]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, could you e-mail with the necessary tools, hardware and electronics, I really need build one.<br />
thank you in advance</p>
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		<title>By: Paul A</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/10/20/well-engineered-diy-segway/comment-page-1/#comment-107209</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul A]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Mark

Curious to know how long the batteries last?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mark</p>
<p>Curious to know how long the batteries last?</p>
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		<title>By: tj</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/10/20/well-engineered-diy-segway/comment-page-1/#comment-103565</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tj]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 19:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The design already looks refined, maybe mag wheels instead. Also the whole practical power less energy consumption dilemma could be researched.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The design already looks refined, maybe mag wheels instead. Also the whole practical power less energy consumption dilemma could be researched.</p>
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		<title>By: alex</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/10/20/well-engineered-diy-segway/comment-page-1/#comment-103175</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[alex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 10:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Congrats Mark, I know you have been working on this for a while and its nice to see a good project come to a stable point!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congrats Mark, I know you have been working on this for a while and its nice to see a good project come to a stable point!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark B</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/10/20/well-engineered-diy-segway/comment-page-1/#comment-103072</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark B]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@DownIsTheNewUp

I&#039;ve tweaked the gains of the PID loop so it is more responsive so you don&#039;t see the &#039;catching up&#039; effect you see in the video.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@DownIsTheNewUp</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve tweaked the gains of the PID loop so it is more responsive so you don&#8217;t see the &#8216;catching up&#8217; effect you see in the video.</p>
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		<title>By: DownIsTheNewUp</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/10/20/well-engineered-diy-segway/comment-page-1/#comment-103062</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DownIsTheNewUp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[P.S.  I&#039;m sorry if my distraction from your distraction from the story at the top of the page is annoying. It&#039;s an important and enlightening conversation. In fact, it seems to be a conversation about comments and content that are unrelated to the stories posted here, which it is itself. I&#039;m not trying to offend those discussing said topic, i just enjoy a little irony once in a while.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S.  I&#8217;m sorry if my distraction from your distraction from the story at the top of the page is annoying. It&#8217;s an important and enlightening conversation. In fact, it seems to be a conversation about comments and content that are unrelated to the stories posted here, which it is itself. I&#8217;m not trying to offend those discussing said topic, i just enjoy a little irony once in a while.</p>
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		<title>By: DownIsTheNewUp</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/10/20/well-engineered-diy-segway/comment-page-1/#comment-103056</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DownIsTheNewUp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like this. It makes the Segway potentially useful, instead of just expensive and ironic. My concern is with the second video. I&#039;m envisioning somebody on there losing their balance (as the motor catches up or something) or just hastily dismounting and stepping forward to catch themselves. You probably see how this would be disaster as they try to stop the machine while it revs to full tilt into them. I suggest a plate up front to avoid that reaction from happening, and maybe a kill switch on the handle. It&#039;s just a thought, and maybe not a problem at all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like this. It makes the Segway potentially useful, instead of just expensive and ironic. My concern is with the second video. I&#8217;m envisioning somebody on there losing their balance (as the motor catches up or something) or just hastily dismounting and stepping forward to catch themselves. You probably see how this would be disaster as they try to stop the machine while it revs to full tilt into them. I suggest a plate up front to avoid that reaction from happening, and maybe a kill switch on the handle. It&#8217;s just a thought, and maybe not a problem at all.</p>
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		<title>By: captain obvious</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[captain obvious]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@pookey,
  BRAVO (claps slowly and stands up).

maybe, just maybe, Hackaday has been listening to the fans. Maybe that is why they have been broadening their scope (since about 2005).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@pookey,<br />
  BRAVO (claps slowly and stands up).</p>
<p>maybe, just maybe, Hackaday has been listening to the fans. Maybe that is why they have been broadening their scope (since about 2005).</p>
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		<title>By: pookey</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/10/20/well-engineered-diy-segway/comment-page-1/#comment-103022</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pookey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Gosh-

Here&#039;s a homework assignment for you. 

1) Read *all* the comments for the last ten hacks posted on this site.

2) Sort the comments into two piles. Pile (a) will contain comments directly relevant to the project-- kudos and suggestions for improvement. Pile (b) will contain non-value-added commentary, including &quot;this sucks,&quot; &quot;this is not a hack,&quot; &quot;this is stupid/lame,&quot; and &quot;I would have done it better&quot; type stuff.

3) compute the signal-to-noise ratio. Divide the number of a&#039;s by the number of b&#039;s.

4) When you get the answer, and realize what it is telling you, you can then come back here and post a message apologizing for being mean to me.

Seriously, my recent comments are an attempt to draw attention to, and make light of, the absurd atmosphere that some people have created in the comments section. It has become nasty enough that I have asked myself more than once, why bother coming here?

The truth is that I like hackaday, and always have. And, while I don&#039;t personally find all of the hacks useful, I certainly appreciate them *all,* because, in total, they represent a group of people who are out there building, tinkering, fabricating, experimenting, and thinking, as opposed to doing what most Americans seem to do-- sit in front of a tv all day long playing video games, watching football, or obsessing over what Oprah thinks. 

If I had the choice between being stuck on an island with some guy who knows every play the Lakers ever made, and a guy who wires up matchbox cars so that he can photograph them when they crash, I&#039;ll take the matchbox guy.

If I have the choice between living on an island with somebody who devotes themselves to knowing all the details of Michael Jackson&#039;s funeral, or what Lady Di was wearing when she died, or how many babies Brad and Angelina have, vs a guy who makes his own beer with the help of an twittering Arduino-based controller, I&#039;ll take the arduino guy. Get it?

As to hackaday losing its &quot;focus,&quot; since when was that &quot;focus&quot; defined by you? The focus is what the editors/administrators of hackaday decide it is. If the focus turns out to be something that isn&#039;t your cup of tea, well, adios. If enough people feel that way, hackday will get the message and modify their content.

My guess is that overall, most people are happy with things just as they are. I know I am.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Gosh-</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a homework assignment for you. </p>
<p>1) Read *all* the comments for the last ten hacks posted on this site.</p>
<p>2) Sort the comments into two piles. Pile (a) will contain comments directly relevant to the project&#8211; kudos and suggestions for improvement. Pile (b) will contain non-value-added commentary, including &#8220;this sucks,&#8221; &#8220;this is not a hack,&#8221; &#8220;this is stupid/lame,&#8221; and &#8220;I would have done it better&#8221; type stuff.</p>
<p>3) compute the signal-to-noise ratio. Divide the number of a&#8217;s by the number of b&#8217;s.</p>
<p>4) When you get the answer, and realize what it is telling you, you can then come back here and post a message apologizing for being mean to me.</p>
<p>Seriously, my recent comments are an attempt to draw attention to, and make light of, the absurd atmosphere that some people have created in the comments section. It has become nasty enough that I have asked myself more than once, why bother coming here?</p>
<p>The truth is that I like hackaday, and always have. And, while I don&#8217;t personally find all of the hacks useful, I certainly appreciate them *all,* because, in total, they represent a group of people who are out there building, tinkering, fabricating, experimenting, and thinking, as opposed to doing what most Americans seem to do&#8211; sit in front of a tv all day long playing video games, watching football, or obsessing over what Oprah thinks. </p>
<p>If I had the choice between being stuck on an island with some guy who knows every play the Lakers ever made, and a guy who wires up matchbox cars so that he can photograph them when they crash, I&#8217;ll take the matchbox guy.</p>
<p>If I have the choice between living on an island with somebody who devotes themselves to knowing all the details of Michael Jackson&#8217;s funeral, or what Lady Di was wearing when she died, or how many babies Brad and Angelina have, vs a guy who makes his own beer with the help of an twittering Arduino-based controller, I&#8217;ll take the arduino guy. Get it?</p>
<p>As to hackaday losing its &#8220;focus,&#8221; since when was that &#8220;focus&#8221; defined by you? The focus is what the editors/administrators of hackaday decide it is. If the focus turns out to be something that isn&#8217;t your cup of tea, well, adios. If enough people feel that way, hackday will get the message and modify their content.</p>
<p>My guess is that overall, most people are happy with things just as they are. I know I am.</p>
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		<title>By: goga</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/10/20/well-engineered-diy-segway/comment-page-1/#comment-102978</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[goga]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@pookey, you missed

() this is completely useless]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@pookey, you missed</p>
<p>() this is completely useless</p>
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		<title>By: macpod</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/10/20/well-engineered-diy-segway/comment-page-1/#comment-102935</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[macpod]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That was clever to use the disc brake holes for a cog.

Hmm, I wonder what a good way to support the wheels without having the bar go overtop would be.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was clever to use the disc brake holes for a cog.</p>
<p>Hmm, I wonder what a good way to support the wheels without having the bar go overtop would be.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark B</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/10/20/well-engineered-diy-segway/comment-page-1/#comment-102929</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark B]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt;&gt;Hopefully there will be documentation soon…I don’t see any build info, and I want to make one!!

What kind of build information did you want?

&gt;&gt;would love to see a cost breakdown of this

Rough breakdown:
2 Motors, £70 each
4 batteries, £10 each
Steel, £30
2 OSMC, £100 each
Arduino and sensors, £50
Misc, £50
+£50 for tendency to underestimate costs

Total: £560

&gt;&gt;How hard would it be to use brushless hub motors? Will they withstand the torsional forces?

The trouble with hub motors is the controllers don&#039;t seem to have the level of control needed, i.e. Locked Anti-phase PWM. I may well look into this further, but with a sensored hub motor (if they exist) with my own-build controller (if commercial 3 phase locked-anti-phase controllers don&#039;t exist).

&gt;&gt;Can I get one with lasers? I want the most unsafe lasers possible.

Sure, send me a check for £5000.

&gt;&gt;nifty im working on one my self and I have the same “gyro” he has. good old ebay.

Awesome, be sure to keep a blog and send me the link please! I may make my .pde available.

&gt;&gt;just a question tho, what happens if the power fails?
&gt;&gt;presumably the wheels dont just lock up, or do you end up falling flat on your face?

If the power fails, its not so drastic as other segway clones due to the really low COG. You have a few seconds to jump off before it hits the ground. Best thing to do is avoid a power failure, although my test-pilot friend managed it and escaped injury-free.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;Hopefully there will be documentation soon…I don’t see any build info, and I want to make one!!</p>
<p>What kind of build information did you want?</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;would love to see a cost breakdown of this</p>
<p>Rough breakdown:<br />
2 Motors, £70 each<br />
4 batteries, £10 each<br />
Steel, £30<br />
2 OSMC, £100 each<br />
Arduino and sensors, £50<br />
Misc, £50<br />
+£50 for tendency to underestimate costs</p>
<p>Total: £560</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;How hard would it be to use brushless hub motors? Will they withstand the torsional forces?</p>
<p>The trouble with hub motors is the controllers don&#8217;t seem to have the level of control needed, i.e. Locked Anti-phase PWM. I may well look into this further, but with a sensored hub motor (if they exist) with my own-build controller (if commercial 3 phase locked-anti-phase controllers don&#8217;t exist).</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;Can I get one with lasers? I want the most unsafe lasers possible.</p>
<p>Sure, send me a check for £5000.</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;nifty im working on one my self and I have the same “gyro” he has. good old ebay.</p>
<p>Awesome, be sure to keep a blog and send me the link please! I may make my .pde available.</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;just a question tho, what happens if the power fails?<br />
&gt;&gt;presumably the wheels dont just lock up, or do you end up falling flat on your face?</p>
<p>If the power fails, its not so drastic as other segway clones due to the really low COG. You have a few seconds to jump off before it hits the ground. Best thing to do is avoid a power failure, although my test-pilot friend managed it and escaped injury-free.</p>
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		<title>By: steaky1212</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[steaky1212]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[just a question tho, what happens if the power fails? 
presumably the wheels dont just lock up, or do you end up falling flat on your face?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just a question tho, what happens if the power fails?<br />
presumably the wheels dont just lock up, or do you end up falling flat on your face?</p>
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