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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Mar 2010 10:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Any advice on how to use hubs &amp; battery in conjunction with each other to power a light?  Would that be using the hub to recharge the battery or how is yours set up?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any advice on how to use hubs &amp; battery in conjunction with each other to power a light?  Would that be using the hub to recharge the battery or how is yours set up?</p>
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		<title>By: dan</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/10/22/unreasonably-bright-bike-light-apparently-hunts-deer/comment-page-1/#comment-108349</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 04:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m BLIND! That would be sweet to have. Good Post!

http://sportsmansparadiseonline.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m BLIND! That would be sweet to have. Good Post!</p>
<p><a href="http://sportsmansparadiseonline.com" rel="nofollow">http://sportsmansparadiseonline.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/10/22/unreasonably-bright-bike-light-apparently-hunts-deer/comment-page-1/#comment-104228</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Boink! There&#039;s a couple more cars with LED headlamps.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headlight#LED_light_sources]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boink! There&#8217;s a couple more cars with LED headlamps.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headlight#LED_light_sources" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headlight#LED_light_sources</a></p>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/10/22/unreasonably-bright-bike-light-apparently-hunts-deer/comment-page-1/#comment-104227</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To the people talking about LED car headlights, there&#039;s plenty of cars with LED rear lights, and some with LED sidelights, but only the Audi R8 has LED headlights. Although there&#039;s many with bi-xenon as standard or an option.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the people talking about LED car headlights, there&#8217;s plenty of cars with LED rear lights, and some with LED sidelights, but only the Audi R8 has LED headlights. Although there&#8217;s many with bi-xenon as standard or an option.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Doug]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mounting the LEDs in an arc left to right may give on a pattern. 2 rows may give you an eccentrically switched  high beam or low beam. I do suspect even with this light you aren&#039;t going to see that tree that&#039;s about to cut your face. Imagine this light when there&#039;s snow cover, useless, unless the contoller/power supply can reduce the output.  Speaking of the controller it would be nice to be able to see the pdf file associated with that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mounting the LEDs in an arc left to right may give on a pattern. 2 rows may give you an eccentrically switched  high beam or low beam. I do suspect even with this light you aren&#8217;t going to see that tree that&#8217;s about to cut your face. Imagine this light when there&#8217;s snow cover, useless, unless the contoller/power supply can reduce the output.  Speaking of the controller it would be nice to be able to see the pdf file associated with that.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/10/22/unreasonably-bright-bike-light-apparently-hunts-deer/comment-page-1/#comment-103834</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 23:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Wwhat - These lights are great for night riding off-road, they&#039;re never designed to be used on-road. Certainly nowhere in the UK is it illegal to disturb animals overnight, and we don&#039;t really have many to disturb. For that matter, the number of night-riding MTBers are VERY low - it&#039;s hardly a massive problem. HIDs are used as a fairly &quot;normal&quot; light for night riding currently, and are similarly bright to this.

I&#039;m not sure why you find it such a problem to be honest - if it&#039;s on road then the rider is being stupid using high-brightness lights on the road (though some would say it&#039;s about the only way of getting drivers to realise you&#039;re there) and in the woods there are bugger all people about and no-one to upset.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Wwhat &#8211; These lights are great for night riding off-road, they&#8217;re never designed to be used on-road. Certainly nowhere in the UK is it illegal to disturb animals overnight, and we don&#8217;t really have many to disturb. For that matter, the number of night-riding MTBers are VERY low &#8211; it&#8217;s hardly a massive problem. HIDs are used as a fairly &#8220;normal&#8221; light for night riding currently, and are similarly bright to this.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure why you find it such a problem to be honest &#8211; if it&#8217;s on road then the rider is being stupid using high-brightness lights on the road (though some would say it&#8217;s about the only way of getting drivers to realise you&#8217;re there) and in the woods there are bugger all people about and no-one to upset.</p>
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		<title>By: Legend</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Legend]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 12:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sure bright, but overkill IMHO.

My homebuilt E-bike light has just three Luxeon III LEDs, but I&#039;ll bet it beats this one for &#039;throw&#039;, yet gives plenty of close range light too. 50mm dia. 2 degree Carclo optic (apparently no longer made) for long range (Up to about 100 yards /meters), and two 20 mm dia 25X6 degree elliptical optics for spread and close to medium range.  Each LED can be used independently depending upon conditions / power conservation.  With all three running, about equivalent to a single halogen car headlight on &#039;bright&#039;, but only requires 15-18 watts for maximum brightness.

Next one I build will use Cree or Seoul Semiconductor LEDS for greater lumen per watt efficiency, although unfortunately that wonderful Carclo 2 degree optic isn&#039;t quite compatible with the Crees or SSes.  May have to experiment with aspeheric lenses to get that long &#039;throw&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure bright, but overkill IMHO.</p>
<p>My homebuilt E-bike light has just three Luxeon III LEDs, but I&#8217;ll bet it beats this one for &#8216;throw&#8217;, yet gives plenty of close range light too. 50mm dia. 2 degree Carclo optic (apparently no longer made) for long range (Up to about 100 yards /meters), and two 20 mm dia 25X6 degree elliptical optics for spread and close to medium range.  Each LED can be used independently depending upon conditions / power conservation.  With all three running, about equivalent to a single halogen car headlight on &#8216;bright&#8217;, but only requires 15-18 watts for maximum brightness.</p>
<p>Next one I build will use Cree or Seoul Semiconductor LEDS for greater lumen per watt efficiency, although unfortunately that wonderful Carclo 2 degree optic isn&#8217;t quite compatible with the Crees or SSes.  May have to experiment with aspeheric lenses to get that long &#8216;throw&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Insteon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Insteon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 09:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Wwhat

The BMW Xenons have an auto-leveling system which directs the headlights down when the suspension angle changes so you don&#039;t blind other drivers.  They&#039;ve been doing this since &#039;97 and it&#039;s really nothing more than a fixed lever arm which signals a servo motor.  Perhaps something that could be added to this to keep from blinding others and the added benefit of having light stay where you&#039;re biking, even over uneven terrain...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Wwhat</p>
<p>The BMW Xenons have an auto-leveling system which directs the headlights down when the suspension angle changes so you don&#8217;t blind other drivers.  They&#8217;ve been doing this since &#8217;97 and it&#8217;s really nothing more than a fixed lever arm which signals a servo motor.  Perhaps something that could be added to this to keep from blinding others and the added benefit of having light stay where you&#8217;re biking, even over uneven terrain&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: tantris</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tantris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 04:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Wwhat  
because many lights look like this http://reviews.mtbr.com/files/2008/01/img_4936.JPG but ideally should look more like this http://img138.imageshack.us/i/bbbbbml1.jpg/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Wwhat<br />
because many lights look like this <a href="http://reviews.mtbr.com/files/2008/01/img_4936.JPG" rel="nofollow">http://reviews.mtbr.com/files/2008/01/img_4936.JPG</a> but ideally should look more like this <a href="http://img138.imageshack.us/i/bbbbbml1.jpg/" rel="nofollow">http://img138.imageshack.us/i/bbbbbml1.jpg/</a></p>
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		<title>By: tantris</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tantris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 03:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@james: so, for the trail light a bright red spot in front of you and blue sidespill?  
but i doubt, that i will build that anytime soon. i have an unfinished road-compatible white led light, and that has priority.  

if anyone needs more reflector links: for the bar shaped part i&#039;m thinking of either this one http://dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.1919  or that one  http://kaidomain.com/ProductDetails.aspx?ProductId=1788
 i got both, they are o.k. i glued reflective aluminum tape to the back of the glass reflector, which helped with wasted back spill and made them somehow &quot;softer&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@james: so, for the trail light a bright red spot in front of you and blue sidespill?<br />
but i doubt, that i will build that anytime soon. i have an unfinished road-compatible white led light, and that has priority.  </p>
<p>if anyone needs more reflector links: for the bar shaped part i&#8217;m thinking of either this one <a href="http://dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.1919" rel="nofollow">http://dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.1919</a>  or that one  <a href="http://kaidomain.com/ProductDetails.aspx?ProductId=1788" rel="nofollow">http://kaidomain.com/ProductDetails.aspx?ProductId=1788</a><br />
 i got both, they are o.k. i glued reflective aluminum tape to the back of the glass reflector, which helped with wasted back spill and made them somehow &#8220;softer&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Wwhat</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wwhat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 03:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In some countries it is indeed not allowed to have superbright light on bicycles, or lights with certain colors, but even if it is there are also many places where disturbing animals from their nightcycle and scaring them will be illegal.

And I&#039;m a bit on the fence, I&#039;m disappointed that you apparently need such laws with idiots that pull stunts like this, but on the other hand I don&#039;t like too many rules and I think even the maker of this would run around all night with these lights, it&#039;s more a bragging thing to show on sites surely? In which case it&#039;s OK I&#039;d say, you just dont&#039; want tons of people actually using this kind of thing, in fact when a certain kind of xenon or something standard bicycle light became popular in my area I was already annoyed as hell at being blinded all the time, the damn things also were predominantly pointed up rather than down for some reason.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In some countries it is indeed not allowed to have superbright light on bicycles, or lights with certain colors, but even if it is there are also many places where disturbing animals from their nightcycle and scaring them will be illegal.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m a bit on the fence, I&#8217;m disappointed that you apparently need such laws with idiots that pull stunts like this, but on the other hand I don&#8217;t like too many rules and I think even the maker of this would run around all night with these lights, it&#8217;s more a bragging thing to show on sites surely? In which case it&#8217;s OK I&#8217;d say, you just dont&#8217; want tons of people actually using this kind of thing, in fact when a certain kind of xenon or something standard bicycle light became popular in my area I was already annoyed as hell at being blinded all the time, the damn things also were predominantly pointed up rather than down for some reason.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 02:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I doubt if I&#039;d like to see THAT bright at night. Lots of details, kinda scary.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt if I&#8217;d like to see THAT bright at night. Lots of details, kinda scary.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 02:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Also bear in mind that rods are not really found around the your main focus point, so illuminating with blue would mean you&#039;d get fairly good peripheral vision with the rods but your blue cones would not be excited very much and so you&#039;d lose low-light definition?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also bear in mind that rods are not really found around the your main focus point, so illuminating with blue would mean you&#8217;d get fairly good peripheral vision with the rods but your blue cones would not be excited very much and so you&#8217;d lose low-light definition?</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 02:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@tantris - sorry, the post by emmaarmstrong was me, the troubles of shared computers and not watching when you click submit! but to answer your thoughts..

Checkout http://www.georgehernandez.com/h/xzMisc/Color/Media/EyeSpectralAbsorption.png also, makes the differences a bit more obvious but...

Yes, to some extent a smaller quantity of blue would indeed make sense, but for the fact that we have bugger all blue receptors (something like 2% of total, and mostly scattered all over the retina) makes focusing on things illuminated in blue-only light much more difficult than red-only apparently.  

Our main problem is that we can&#039;t really control the levels of brightness, one second it might be reflecting off white limestone, the next off dark soil. Because of this we tend to  prepare for the worst case (dark soil in a dark wood maybe) and so we just blast out a blue light to match that, but this &quot;smaller&quot; illumination (so as not to bleach the rods) needs to be carefully controlled, whereas red doesn&#039;t and provides better focusing (or rather resolution) due to between 50 and 75% of your cones being red.

Did any of that make sense? It&#039;s 3AM here! 

Maybe a combination of red and lower intensity blue? Red is fairly odd to ride with. But either are theoretically better than white. Worth a test, if you get spare time/LEDs. I&#039;m currently tracking down some 3W reds and blues to test them both out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@tantris &#8211; sorry, the post by emmaarmstrong was me, the troubles of shared computers and not watching when you click submit! but to answer your thoughts..</p>
<p>Checkout <a href="http://www.georgehernandez.com/h/xzMisc/Color/Media/EyeSpectralAbsorption.png" rel="nofollow">http://www.georgehernandez.com/h/xzMisc/Color/Media/EyeSpectralAbsorption.png</a> also, makes the differences a bit more obvious but&#8230;</p>
<p>Yes, to some extent a smaller quantity of blue would indeed make sense, but for the fact that we have bugger all blue receptors (something like 2% of total, and mostly scattered all over the retina) makes focusing on things illuminated in blue-only light much more difficult than red-only apparently.  </p>
<p>Our main problem is that we can&#8217;t really control the levels of brightness, one second it might be reflecting off white limestone, the next off dark soil. Because of this we tend to  prepare for the worst case (dark soil in a dark wood maybe) and so we just blast out a blue light to match that, but this &#8220;smaller&#8221; illumination (so as not to bleach the rods) needs to be carefully controlled, whereas red doesn&#8217;t and provides better focusing (or rather resolution) due to between 50 and 75% of your cones being red.</p>
<p>Did any of that make sense? It&#8217;s 3AM here! </p>
<p>Maybe a combination of red and lower intensity blue? Red is fairly odd to ride with. But either are theoretically better than white. Worth a test, if you get spare time/LEDs. I&#8217;m currently tracking down some 3W reds and blues to test them both out.</p>
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		<title>By: tantris</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tantris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 21:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@jd- #4: now, that you mention it. ooops, i thought the green coating was insulation. 
i did like the thing built into a handlight however, and the driver is worth a look.  i used the zetex zxld1360 before, he uses the maxim max16820.  with the maxim, he has to use an external fet, but this way his current is also not limited by the chip. the maxim is also cheaper.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@jd- #4: now, that you mention it. ooops, i thought the green coating was insulation.<br />
i did like the thing built into a handlight however, and the driver is worth a look.  i used the zetex zxld1360 before, he uses the maxim max16820.  with the maxim, he has to use an external fet, but this way his current is also not limited by the chip. the maxim is also cheaper.</p>
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