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		<title>By: yourmum</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/11/25/recover-borked-hdd-after-xbox-360-ban/comment-page-1/#comment-118988</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[lolololol thanks microshit cuz i didnt even realy play xbox not to mention they never detected me using mods such as rapid fire drive firmware lag switches avatar mods hahahahaha neva buying a 360 again unless i get really bored one day should have neva got rid of my trusty ps3 was with sony since it all began]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lolololol thanks microshit cuz i didnt even realy play xbox not to mention they never detected me using mods such as rapid fire drive firmware lag switches avatar mods hahahahaha neva buying a 360 again unless i get really bored one day should have neva got rid of my trusty ps3 was with sony since it all began</p>
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		<title>By: Marty</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/11/25/recover-borked-hdd-after-xbox-360-ban/comment-page-1/#comment-110331</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 11:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@BigD145 I&#039;m happy to accept my console is leased to me, only if MS are happy to accept it to always repair it for free when it breaks down. Further to the point, they should also be replacing damaged media free of charge as by the same argument we don&#039;t own that either.

Fact is they won&#039;t - MS want their cake and eat it and frankly, it&#039;s what&#039;s really put a lot of people&#039;s noses out of joint.

I really wish MS would grow a pair and stop going after the little guy. It&#039;s the pre-owned market which is costing them the most amount of money, since the stores who offer pre-owned content keep all proceeds, therefore it&#039;s actually worse than piracy since not only do the developers/manufacturers not make any money from the deal, but someone else is making a huge profit from the venture. Make selling pre-owned software/hardware illegal and we&#039;ll see what happens to the industry.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@BigD145 I&#8217;m happy to accept my console is leased to me, only if MS are happy to accept it to always repair it for free when it breaks down. Further to the point, they should also be replacing damaged media free of charge as by the same argument we don&#8217;t own that either.</p>
<p>Fact is they won&#8217;t &#8211; MS want their cake and eat it and frankly, it&#8217;s what&#8217;s really put a lot of people&#8217;s noses out of joint.</p>
<p>I really wish MS would grow a pair and stop going after the little guy. It&#8217;s the pre-owned market which is costing them the most amount of money, since the stores who offer pre-owned content keep all proceeds, therefore it&#8217;s actually worse than piracy since not only do the developers/manufacturers not make any money from the deal, but someone else is making a huge profit from the venture. Make selling pre-owned software/hardware illegal and we&#8217;ll see what happens to the industry.</p>
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		<title>By: wdfowty</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wdfowty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 07:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[update: there are now tools that will do all hex editing for you in a nice little gui. check out xboxscene for more info]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>update: there are now tools that will do all hex editing for you in a nice little gui. check out xboxscene for more info</p>
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		<title>By: BigD145</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/11/25/recover-borked-hdd-after-xbox-360-ban/comment-page-1/#comment-109236</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BigD145]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 20:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Peter  You are leasing it. Most EULA&#039;s are little more than leases that only require a one-time payment with possible subsequent payment to take care of wear and tear. You do not own what you buy in a store.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Peter  You are leasing it. Most EULA&#8217;s are little more than leases that only require a one-time payment with possible subsequent payment to take care of wear and tear. You do not own what you buy in a store.</p>
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		<title>By: winblows.</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/11/25/recover-borked-hdd-after-xbox-360-ban/comment-page-1/#comment-109181</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[winblows.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 13:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s it, I&#039;m on my way to the evil land of Redmond to personally teabag Bill Gates evil mug.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s it, I&#8217;m on my way to the evil land of Redmond to personally teabag Bill Gates evil mug.</p>
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		<title>By: Xb0xGuru</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/11/25/recover-borked-hdd-after-xbox-360-ban/comment-page-1/#comment-109136</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Xb0xGuru]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 00:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For those interested, Abington IP is looking to issue a class action lawsuit against Microsoft : http://www.abingtonlaw.com/Xbox-Live-class-action.html

@ejonesss 
1. The secdata.bin on the NAND is what&#039;s written to - if it was as simple as a DVD drive ban you could just swap it out.
2. This has already been thought of : http://www.eurasia.nu/modules.php?name=News&amp;file=article&amp;sid=2483&amp;mode=&amp;order=0&amp;thold=0]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those interested, Abington IP is looking to issue a class action lawsuit against Microsoft : <a href="http://www.abingtonlaw.com/Xbox-Live-class-action.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.abingtonlaw.com/Xbox-Live-class-action.html</a></p>
<p>@ejonesss<br />
1. The secdata.bin on the NAND is what&#8217;s written to &#8211; if it was as simple as a DVD drive ban you could just swap it out.<br />
2. This has already been thought of : <a href="http://www.eurasia.nu/modules.php?name=News&#038;file=article&#038;sid=2483&#038;mode=&#038;order=0&#038;thold=0" rel="nofollow">http://www.eurasia.nu/modules.php?name=News&#038;file=article&#038;sid=2483&#038;mode=&#038;order=0&#038;thold=0</a></p>
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		<title>By: ejonesss</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/11/25/recover-borked-hdd-after-xbox-360-ban/comment-page-1/#comment-109130</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ejonesss]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 23:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i was wondering a couple things.

1. if it is just a drive that is banned couldnt you before you mod the box just make a backup of the drive to an iso image so if banned you format and restore the drive from the iso image?

2. if the banned flag is written to the nand chip you could before modding the box you block the write signal to the chip so the ban flag can not be written.

some chips have   a pin that has to be enabled to write and others use a voltage.

the pin based enabler couldnt the pin be held to read only mode by soldering to ground or the power rail of the chip?

the voltage based enabler couldnt a voltage regulator be connected to the power pin to keep the voltage constant?

the voltage based write enablers usually puts 12 volts into a 5 volt chip to enable the write mode .

for chips like that you should be able to lift the power pin from the power pad on the board and wire to a 7805 5 volt regulator.

all of that works as long as the box does not need to preform a write test upon startup.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i was wondering a couple things.</p>
<p>1. if it is just a drive that is banned couldnt you before you mod the box just make a backup of the drive to an iso image so if banned you format and restore the drive from the iso image?</p>
<p>2. if the banned flag is written to the nand chip you could before modding the box you block the write signal to the chip so the ban flag can not be written.</p>
<p>some chips have   a pin that has to be enabled to write and others use a voltage.</p>
<p>the pin based enabler couldnt the pin be held to read only mode by soldering to ground or the power rail of the chip?</p>
<p>the voltage based enabler couldnt a voltage regulator be connected to the power pin to keep the voltage constant?</p>
<p>the voltage based write enablers usually puts 12 volts into a 5 volt chip to enable the write mode .</p>
<p>for chips like that you should be able to lift the power pin from the power pad on the board and wire to a 7805 5 volt regulator.</p>
<p>all of that works as long as the box does not need to preform a write test upon startup.</p>
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		<title>By: octel</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[octel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 22:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@tj
Fly away, troll.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@tj<br />
Fly away, troll.</p>
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		<title>By: tj</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tj]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 20:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[With the x360 there is GTA IV DLC and one semi-fail-safe hardware revision.

The hardware is slower than the other next-gen system and there are less features. Why would you buy or resurrect one unless you&#039;re some soccer kid or trailer trash who wants to play backups because they have no skills to make money?

If I owned a studio I wouldn&#039;t even develop titles for it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With the x360 there is GTA IV DLC and one semi-fail-safe hardware revision.</p>
<p>The hardware is slower than the other next-gen system and there are less features. Why would you buy or resurrect one unless you&#8217;re some soccer kid or trailer trash who wants to play backups because they have no skills to make money?</p>
<p>If I owned a studio I wouldn&#8217;t even develop titles for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Taylor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes the ps3 is starting to look pretty nice right Now.... But really you can mod your box alll you want as long as you don&#039;t touch any firmware or anything. I&#039;ve modded several boxes myself and have a moddded box and they haven&#039;t banned me or any of the boxes I&#039;ve modded.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes the ps3 is starting to look pretty nice right Now&#8230;. But really you can mod your box alll you want as long as you don&#8217;t touch any firmware or anything. I&#8217;ve modded several boxes myself and have a moddded box and they haven&#8217;t banned me or any of the boxes I&#8217;ve modded.</p>
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		<title>By: Liam</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Liam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 15:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was caught up in the ban wave last year, no hardware problems, if they are now taking away features that are not related to live surely that is illegal? They are breaking your property.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was caught up in the ban wave last year, no hardware problems, if they are now taking away features that are not related to live surely that is illegal? They are breaking your property.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/11/25/recover-borked-hdd-after-xbox-360-ban/comment-page-1/#comment-109069</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 13:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Drone - the DMCA has no powere once you&#039;re off of US soil.  I can sit here in Canada and do everything i want that would break the DMCA, and they can&#039;t do anything about it.  THere are a lot more countries that have the xbox360 than just the US, and all of them got the XBox Live banhammer last week.  My local police couldn&#039;t care less if you sent them a note saying i broke the DMCA...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Drone &#8211; the DMCA has no powere once you&#8217;re off of US soil.  I can sit here in Canada and do everything i want that would break the DMCA, and they can&#8217;t do anything about it.  THere are a lot more countries that have the xbox360 than just the US, and all of them got the XBox Live banhammer last week.  My local police couldn&#8217;t care less if you sent them a note saying i broke the DMCA&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: philpem</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[philpem]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 12:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK what I should have said is:
&quot;if any court tells M$ to do something they don&#039;t want to do, they&#039;ll just move anything they&#039;re doing in that country to Outer Elbonia.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK what I should have said is:<br />
&#8220;if any court tells M$ to do something they don&#8217;t want to do, they&#8217;ll just move anything they&#8217;re doing in that country to Outer Elbonia.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: philpem</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[philpem]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 12:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No court in the land would hit M$ with a banhammer.

Extreme power + extreme money + extreme evil = M$]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No court in the land would hit M$ with a banhammer.</p>
<p>Extreme power + extreme money + extreme evil = M$</p>
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		<title>By: Hackius</title>
		<link>http://hackaday.com/2009/11/25/recover-borked-hdd-after-xbox-360-ban/comment-page-1/#comment-109064</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hackius]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 11:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Taylor: EU laws prevent EULAS from limiting your rights to hardware. That&#039;s why phones have to be unlocked by the service provider in the EU.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Taylor: EU laws prevent EULAS from limiting your rights to hardware. That&#8217;s why phones have to be unlocked by the service provider in the EU.</p>
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