I agree that Sony did screw customers that bought the PS3 for Linux support and that is wrong. But, I find it hilarious that some of the comments are about how the Wii and 360 outsell the PS3 because Sony does things like this. Um, the Wii and 360 never supported Linux… and they outsold the PS3. I will laugh my ass off if the PS3 ends up outselling the Wii and 360 after removing this feature. Then we’ll have further proof that Linux is a plague upon all who support it!

“I’m still learning and I love linux, even with the frustrations that come with it.”

Yup, Linux sure is awesome with the frustrations and all.

It never ceases to amaze me how loyal Linux users are. Kinda like someone in an abusive relationship.

hey guys, the facts that Sony’s removing the feature to install Linux is a “great thing” coz it indicates that we are on the right way to finally hack the ps3… it seems that geohot has found a real exploit, and soon “i hope” a CF will be relased, once we get a CF sony wont break our b—ls anymore. but its real that sony cannot remove features that you have paid… legally thay can, but there’s no justice anymore…. ps plz excuse my horrible henglish, im italian…

It never ceases to amaze me how loyal Linux users are. Kinda like someone in an abusive relationship.
Posted at 6:07 pm on Apr 5th, 2010 by Kirk
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Yeah, you’re an idiot. Stick to things you know about, that’s what I always say.

I wonder how long until they disable the Emotion Engine chip on the older PS3s?

“Then we’ll have further proof that Linux is a plague upon all who support it!” – Kirk

How in the hell did you conclude that the ps3 sales numbers will go up after removing the option to install another OS? If you had no intention of using it in the first place why would you care whether the option was there or not? Why would those who would use it want a ps3 more so after the option was removed? Whaaa?

Linux isn’t easy for sure, frustrating, yeah it can be to someone who is new to it, or even those that have moderate experience with it…but it wasn’t made with the goal of being very user-friendly…and to call it a “plague” is outlandish, and a little insulting. At first I thought you were just confusing Linux with every Windows OS in existence…now that is a truly abusive relationship. You may not care for it or the experiences that it has provided for you, and that’s fine, to each his own. But I know there are loads of experienced Linux operators that would give your argument quite a run for it’s money. If your’s was the general consensus Linux wouldn’t exist today, because nobody would be using it.

I thought, and continue to think your statements are that of someone who didn’t want to try too hard to figure it out, and just gave up. Understandable…sure, just don’t paint your generalizations with such a broad stroke, ok Kirkiepooh?

Yeah, i’m shocked the low man on the totem pole is the one that requires the most thought and training. How come noobs don’t gravitate more to that attractive and robust terminal? Who are these apparent retards that continue to create distros, programs, drivers, and/or apps, all of which are open-source? Why are you here? You should be elsewhere spreading the word, because apparently there are a lot of folks who have been wasting their lives with Linux. When they could have been enjoying Windows XP.

Does the Mac OS X suck too? I’ve never used it, but it only has 5% market share as of about 6 months ago…based on your logic, it’s only slightly less of a plague than Linux, and can’t touch the healthy Vista OS at 22%.

Windows XP however is the king at 68%, so therefore it undoubtedly is the least problematic OS out there, again based on your logic.

http://www.webpagefx.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/operating-system-market-share.jpg

Whatever Kirk, you called it a plague, and you’re wrong. If you don’t want to deal with it you don’t have to, as you have stated. You sound like a bitter ex-spouse…and you claim that a 1% share equates to a general consensus that Linux is a problem…where I think it’s more indicative of the majority of computer users being noobs to mildly tech savvy, which will undoubtedly affect your abilities on any Linux os. Who cares about the general consensus when generally most people have little idea of how to work with it? It was your poor choice of words that got me into a huff, not the fact that you’ve chosen something other than Linux. If you and a girl have a bad break-up and you then attempt to label her as a whore, her friends will probably take exception to it if it’s unjustified.

Agree, don’t agree, I don’t care. I’m done with this discussion.

People realize that 99% of the PS3 purchasing population did NOT buy it to be used as a cheap computer. Something for that already exists; They’re called “cheap computers”. No, people bought PS3′s to, get this, play PS3 games and blu-ray movies.

The fact that Linux support was even offered to begin with was a total ruse; Nothing but a bone thrown to attract the geek crowd and a bullet point on their feature list. Their support for it was practically non-existent from the beginning.

They realized the primary reason Linux was installed was to pirate games and cut into their bottom line. If you found out the neighbourhood kids were sneaking in and stealing food from your fridge, you’d probably start locking the front door too.

Sorry to the ten or so people who foolishly bought a gaming console to be a home computer, but you got duped. The fact that you didn’t see this coming a mile away leaves little in the way of pity, though. Next time, buy a real computer if you want to mess around with operating systems and let the console play its games.

@Posted at 5:21 pm on Apr 7th, 2010 by bobcollum

LinuxMakesYouSmart™

“…and you claim that a 1% share equates to a general consensus that Linux is a problem…where I think it’s more indicative of the majority of computer users being noobs to mildly tech savvy, which will undoubtedly affect your abilities on any Linux os.”

Don’t you just love it when some self-important, self proclaimed “tech elitist” espouses Linux as a means of superiority. Only, to then belittle anyone else who does not use Linux as “noobs” and what not.

LinuxHateIsMicrosoftLove™

“Does the Mac OS X suck too? I’ve never used it, but it only has 5% market share as of about 6 months ago…based on your logic, it’s only slightly less of a plague than Linux, and can’t touch the healthy Vista OS at 22%.”

It is also rather funny that operating systems are viewed as polarized extremes, complete with an ‘us or them’ mentality. You either use Linux or you are a Microsoft $hill sent to oppose all other operating systems.

@Felipe

“Don’t you just love it when some self-important, self proclaimed “tech elitist” espouses Linux as a means of superiority.”

Actually, I love it when you’re in a forum trying to solve some issue with another operating system and one of these guys comes in and says, “Install Linux!”

Psst Felipe, I’ve consistently used Windows for as long as i’ve had a PC. When I referred to noobs it was to highlight how it can be a turn-off when a OS takes a good deal of training to get the hang of, I was a noob once too, I just didn’t stop trying. Please don’t put words in my mouth. I don’t blame anyone for not going the distance with Linux.

To the car reference…If windows is driving a car, than Linux is flying a plane…it is much more complicated, is this offending anyone? Could you imagine a noob flying a plane? Please refer to one of my first posts where I clearly state that Linux isn’t very user-friendly, which was never a basic premise of Linux. I’m sorry you’ve all seem to have had bad experiences with other Linux users, I assure you, minus my first comment which was a bit brash, I’m not trying to talk down to anyone, stop looking for extra meaning in my statements.

Again, Linux isn’t a “plague”. If you don’t want to deal with it, you don’t have to.

@tdurden 3828 and anyone else….why do you think they give it away? What kind of fools would try to sell something that isn’t free and easy right out of the box?

I say it’s complicated and takes many hours to master, you take it as an insult to your intelligence. That’s all on you guys, not me. I can’t argue with this twisted logic.

One time someone said to me “Led Zeppelin sucks.”

I said “You mean you don’t like them, cause they certainly don’t suck.”

I feel like I’m having this discussion again.

Bobbie, planes are designed to be as user friendly as possible to reduce pilot error. This is important, because the last thing we want is to have hundreds of people die in a fiery tragedy.

In fact, modern jets even have an autoland feature. That means the plane lands itself. Landing is the hardest part of flying – and now the pilot can choose to have the plane do it for him or her. Of course, before autolanding, you have to get to your destination… using autopilot.

That doesn’t sound like user unfriendly Linux at all.

I gotta tell ya, I don’t think you’re gonna sway my opinion on this on Kirk.

Again, let’s not forget this all started when you called it a “plague”, which is still ridiculous in my mind.

@Squirrel

lol I’ve never seen that one.

Thanks for the injection of humor. I needed that.

Oh and your plague comment…agreed, even though I still use it everyday, right now in fact.

I paid for a machine that does 3 things Bluray , Games , Linux..

That was pretty shortsighted of you. That Sony would even provide Linux support in the first place is suspect. Sony is well within their license agreements when they remove features, especially when they’re being used primarily for piracy.

If you don’t like the fact that Sony has this control over their own ecosystem, maybe you should have had a little more foresight and bought a PC instead. It is possible to own both you know.

@TM Repository:
Who’s pirating games on the PS3 via linux?

@ everyone else:
Why is this turning into an OS fanboy fight? It doesn’t matter if you use it or not, or which OS you think is better.

What matters is that it _was_ a feature which certainly influenced some peoples decision to buy the system, and now it’s being removed, in spite of the fact that on release of the non-linux-friendly PS3 slim, they explicitly said that PS3 fat systems would continue as is, and that Linux support would not be removed.

Whether you think the feature is important or not, there are people who do use it, and this update ruins that for them. Most importantly, it’ll only be a minor inconvenience to the crackers, and will accomplish nothing in the long run, except to make a great piece of hardware less useful to a small percentage of their paying customers.

As it is, I’m exclusively a Linux user on my PCs and have been for many years. One of my deciding factors on my choice between the PS3 and XBOX was that I could run Linux on it.

While it’s far from being my main use of the PS3, it was that show of goodwill that influenced my purchasing decision.

To fall back on the standard car analogy: You’re buying a car, and it comes down to 2 different brands. You like them about equally, but one of them comes with a CD player and the other has an 8 track. It’s not a huge factor really, but may as well grab the one with the CD, right?

Then at your annual factory tune up, they remove your CD player, and replace it with an AM/FM radio.

It’s not the main thing you bought the car for, but it’s still the reason you bought their car instead of the other.

@ Posted at 12:41 pm on Apr 8th, 2010 by Squirrel

“but really, Windows is the plague, since most people end up with it without really being given a choice (that’s why it has infected such a large marked share).”

I disagree; people can by a computer from a third party without Windows preinstalled. A blatant example is provided by Dell. They sell computer preinstalled with Ubuntu and provide migration from Windows to Linux for enterprise workstations. http://linux.dell.com/ In addition, you can order a computer with no operating system preinstalled as a customized order from Dell.
Or buy a MAC from Apple.

@Felipe

Holy crapstains…now it’s an issue of semantics.

Windows is great for ‘people that have very little experience with computers’(otherwise known as noobs…when did this become such an offensive term?), The OS gui and program guis are designed to do those little things that otherwise would be done manually in a terminal on Linux. A windows user can start at a very low level of experience/knowledge/practice/whatever, and eventually become mildly tech savvy, or even more in some cases. Many windows users I know that have reached a higher level of experience that ventured into Linux have found it to be just as Kirk found, aggravating. Do I think it’s an issue of intelligence? No way. Is it because Linux “sucks”? No again. It’s a matter of personal preference, what individual people want from their computer, and what they’re willing to do to get there. That was the reasoning behind my sarcastic “How come noobs don’t gravitate more to that attractive and robust terminal?” comment…I don’t expect people that have never really had to use a terminal or command lines to find it very enjoyable…it’s plain and boring looking.

I like Linux, I think Windows 7 is great so far. I didn’t like the absurd plague comment(I think squirell succinctly hit that one), and I commented on it. How is calling it a plague not insulting to people that enjoy and use Linux, a free open-source OS that has been under the radar forever? Does Kirk know something that Linux experts don’t?

What are you so bothered about? I never insulted anyone for using another OS, so I’m missing why you’ve become so offended by my comments and feel the need to try to pick my statements apart word for word. Go pick a fight with someone else…I can’t match your anger level.

“Windows is great for ‘people that have very little experience with computers’(otherwise known as noobs…when did this become such an offensive term?),”

I disagree, you continue to make the false dichotomy that Linux is for the “tech savy” and Windows is for “noobs.” Especially considering that you did not define “noob” or “tech savy.”

“A windows user can start at a very low level of experience/knowledge/practice/whatever, and eventually become mildly tech savvy, or even more in some cases.”

Once again define, “mildly tech savvy.” Define as well “higher level of experience”, oh the semantics due to subjective terminology and experience.

Ok, I’m taking the Felipe approach to this now.

Kirk, define “plague”.

“I can certainly understand that Linux fans would be insulted by my statement, but sometimes that sort of thing is unavoidable when stating facts that are uncomfortable for certain interest groups.”

Well any facts should have some easily discernible proof to back it up, unless it’s just an opinion.

“Most Linux experts agree with me in the context of Linux in the consumer market. Unless you have a model of direct revenue from supporting Linux, it is an extremely unprofitable endeavor.”

Agreed, it doesn’t have much potential for profit. But seeing as how it wasn’t created or intended to be a large money-making machine for the non-commercial user, how is that relevant? What does that have to do with the plague reference?

“In Sony’s case, it was just a bullet point that didn’t garner them enough increase in sales to justify having to burn up resources answering angry customers asking why this or that didn’t work right in Linux under the PS3. “That’s a Linux issue”, says Sony. “But, you said you supported Linux!”, says angry customer.

That is the plague of Linux.”

You don’t have to use it? Should I say it again? Nobody has a gun to your head.

Secondly, Sony isn’t doing this because they are sick of answering questions about Linux on the PS3, I can’t imagine that 1% of the OS market share gets any larger when speaking of it’s use on the PS3…it’s because of the hacking of the system.

Does it sound variable? For such a smart-ass you sure ask a lot of questions.

“Yet another example of an ‘us or them’ mentality, now you assume I am supporting Kirk.”

Accuse me of what you will, I think you’re typecasting me with what you consider to be an elitist cabal of linux users, and I’m telling you you’re barking up the wrong tree. But go ahead and continue to work at the semantics angle. Do I think you’re supporting Kirk? Really I think you’re some guy that is helping to distract from what started all of this. I’m sure you’ll continue to tell me that my opinion is wrong and yours is right.

“instead of acknowledging that a operating system can have users who use it for simple or/and advanced purposes you simply reiterate that Linux is for the “tech savy” and Windows is for “noobs.”

Are you insane? Windows in my opinion is the easiest OS to use in order to get acclimated to computers…this is a credit to Microsoft, it’s why they are where they are. Having done both, that is how i feel. Could someone start from scratch with Linux? Uh, I don’t see why not, but as I thought we had established, Windows is more user-friendly, which I thought equated to ease of use, which I thought would be easier to someone just starting out, which at some point is everybody. I thought Linux was more of a pain in the ass to do things that were otherwise fairly simple in windows, maybe because I was accustomed to the gui aspect of Windows…but I guess my opinion and personal experience doesn’t count when I’m talking to you.

“Does it sound variable? For such a smart-ass you sure ask a lot of questions.”
I did not create the terminology, you did. Hence, I require a definition due to the fact that I cannot read minds.
“Accuse me of what you will, I think you’re typecasting me with what you consider to be an elitist cabal of linux users, and I’m telling you you’re barking up the wrong tree.”
Your previous statements verify that you are committing a false dichotomy, specifically:
“…where I think it’s more indicative of the majority of computer users being noobs to mildly tech savvy, which will undoubtedly affect your abilities on any Linux os.”
Yes, you are acting as an elitist Linux user by creating a variable scale of “tech savyness” to compare and belittle Windows users. The only solid point on that scale is the qualification for being a “noob.”

“Really I think you’re some guy that is helping to distract from what started all of this.”
Oh boy here comes the conspiracy theories. Distract from what? That Sony made a decision to change their firmware and Linux zealots are throwing a hissy fit?

I bought a PS3 when they first came out and I kept meaning to install Linux for web browsing, but I never got around to it. I was pretty pissed when Sony got rid of the feature and I was venting at a few sites.

Now that I’ve read a few of these comments, I’ve decided that Sony did me a favor. The last thing I need is my $600 console bricked from installing some half baked hacking system. I guess intuition kept me from ever installing the thing.

My one point is that Linux WILL fit all people like a glove. For some, however, it will fit about as good as a regular glove would fit on a velociraptor. For me, it’s more like a four-fingered glove, which is why I do Vista, Linux, and 7.

To be Completely Honest with a few people- yeah it sucks to now own a “install OS” obselete Ps3, seriously?? too bad…you wanted it that bad and now you paid the price, if you want Computer processing over PS3 Games be my guest and leave you ps3 as it is,(meaning dont upgrade) if you want it for online play and hardcore HD gaming UPGRADE!= YOU ALREADY HAVE A PC/LAPTOP … you’ll find out one way or another that it just isnt worth it, yeh sure the ps3 browser sucks, but think about it, the more people that use it and the more bug reports sony get the more likely it is that they’ll fix it (pft yeah right), eventually there will be hacks for ps3, when the rest of the world catches up on technology (assuming we all still own DVD-Playing Laptops *rolling eyes*) as far as georgie boy goes, someone with too much time, with a virtual ego and reputation to feed hould be more inclinded to build this sort of equpment rather than cracking it, (in which would be the real test of technologic abilities, be it software hardware,)

thats my opinion said.
i have the ps3 slim for 3 months and comparing it to the wii and xbox, i’m moderately happy but will still hound Sony C.Support for bug fixes and complaints till i get the quality i am “assured” doing that, i suggest anyone with a real bitchfesting attitude like mine just do the same rather and have a nerdraging tantrum on threads and blog posts “venting” your ANGER about sony /..fuck.. let them hear about it, i dont crap, we all have our problems.. (mine– cant fucking play any updated flash games on ps3 )
no sony affiliated representative is going to read this crap, their just gonna go scroll right past that crap.

go geohot go!

@Cole…just shut up, you’re proving to us that you’re really not who you want to be.

@Mikey…Seriously?! When you buy something and pay for it in full…it’s yours.

Now, I do admit that I don’t have a PS3, and reading this I’m glad I don’t….but seriously, people…do you have to start an argument everywhere you click? Dear god, it’s worse than Youtube here!

Chill out, stop the arguing, stop trying to act black, and spell correctly.

Jeez.

Hey! This thread is still going! LOL!

I was wondering if Sony was gonna put Install Other OS back with the 3.30 update. Nope.

I think Linux is good as an application server for specialized applications. That’s why I never said it sucked. That was Bobbie saying it sucked.

But, I just had many hours of my time wasted by FFMPEG and then OpenSSL which are other free open source pieces of software. To make this short, I’m just going to lump all FOSS stuff into one steaming pile and say they all suck. Is that fair? Maybe not, but neither is stealing hours of my life away. So, screw it.

What is it about FOSS that requires every piece of software to sort of work? It ends up sucking you in, because you are always “almost there” in trying to get any of this crap to actually do what it is supposed to do. Oh yeah, cuz most of it is written by ideologues and not real programmers.

Anyone who wants to participate in the Sony class action can contact Jerome Noll at (914) 517-5000, extension 221.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/108/1086720p1.html

To the sony corporation: Your choice to drop support for your older product once again only goes to show that you, the sony corporation are the leading assholes of the world! Since i have payed over 2,300.00 for my product and you did was blow smoke up my ass and jerked me off to buy the fricking thing then dropped support and left me like a 2 doller whore on sunday should give you assclowns some indacation of how really pissed off at you!
In my humble opinion sony need to get in a get in a rousing game of hide and go fuck yourself!

I agree that Sony did screw customers that bought the PS3 for Linux support and that is wrong.