Tindie Chat: All About Certifications

The chat functionality on Hackaday.io is quickly turning into the nexus of all things awesome. This Tuesday, February 28th, everyone’s favorite robotic dog is talking certifications. Everything from FCC to UL to OSH to CE and the other CE is on the table. If you want to build hardware, and especially if you want to build a product, this is the talk for you. Join us for the next Tindie Chat on Hackaday.io.

Every month or so, we round up Tindie sellers, buyers, and the Tindie curious to talk about the issues facing hardware creators. We meet up in the Tindie Dog Park to talk about all things Tindie and hardware creation. If you want to know anything about certifications — whether you’re selling on Tindie or not — this is the virtual meetup for you.

This chat is going down Tuesday, February 28th at 11:00 AM PST (or 19:00 GMT). Want to join in the chat? Head on over to the Tindie Dog Park and request to join the project. Then, just head over to the chat by clicking on the ‘Team Messaging’ button. If you have a question, we have a spreadsheet.

There are a lot of experienced product designers over on Tindie, and this is a prime opportunity to learn some of the hard lessons these Tindie sellers have already experienced. Don’t miss this, it’s going to be great.

11 thoughts on “Tindie Chat: All About Certifications

  1. Why are you telling me to go somewhere else to have a discussion. If you want to discuss any of these things, why not just post an article about them here? I already come to HAD every day; are you saying I now have to go to .io every day as well? My response is simply “NO”.

  2. What i’m sometimes wondering with these chats is:
    where do i find the transcript online afterwards?
    it would kinda seem like a waste if the information got lost and wasn’t available for later viewing or for all those who couldn’t attend/participate live at the original time.

  3. Ok people, ‘CE’ is not a certification. The CE mark is intended to indicate that the manufacturer has published a declaration of conformity, where they state the basis for presumption of conformity to the scope European directives. It is nothing more than a self-declaration that may or may not represent any assessment or certification by a National Body or accredited lab.

    And ‘UL’ and just another semi-corrupt lab that has jumped through the OSHA and Canad hoops for NRTL and/or SCC. “FCC” is a state entity, that have blessed (accredited) labs called TCBs.

    A fundamental source of compliance engineering is found in the IEEE Product Safety and EMC societies.

    1. And, when you put said marks on your products, do you not agree that you are “certifying” that you are adhering to said standards? Its an official statement attesting to a certain fact. And TCBs do the testing, but you still certify that you are adhering to FCC standards.

      1. No. The ‘CE’ mark has nothing to do with certifications. Once again, you are indicating on a Declaration of Conformity the EU directives that scope the product and the basis for a presumption of conformity to the requirements of the scoped directives. A test certificate by an accredited lab per a harmonized standard is a common basis for one of the required presumptions of conformity. Or the manufacturer can reference an internally-generated Technical Construction File that clearly indicates conformity of the product and references market surveillance and enforcement regulations. There are some directives where the TCF is required, and is not an option.

        The D of C is defined in ISO17050-1, -2. Directives per the NLF have a respective non-normative guide book that should be referenced.

        1. Fair enough. Do you have any resources that put various standards body’s regulations in to a nice easy to look at single source related to EM or other directives? Easy way to see what standards are involved and who controls them.

          1. For EU/EFT and non-intentional radiators, the EMC directive (among others) is scoped – look for 2014/30/EU. For intentional radiators, the RED is scoped – look at 2014/53/EU.

            North American EMC regulations have, once again, diverged from IEC standards; that is, 47CFR, ICES, and NOM have not been harmonized with the new CISPR standards.

            Product safety standards and regulations, while increasingly complex, continue on their path to global harmonization. Safety for any electrical equipment not intended for medical, industrial, or lab will typically have national requirements based on IEC62368-1.

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