More acetone-vapor polishing experiments

acetone-vapor-polishing-experiments

If you’re thinking of trying the acetone-vapor polishing process to smooth your 3D printed objects you simply must check out [Christopher's] experiments with the process. He found out about the process from our feature a few days ago and decided to perform a series of experiments on different printed models.

The results were mixed. He performed the process in much the same way as the original offering. The skull seen above does a nice job of demonstrating what can be achieved with the process. There is a smooth glossy finish and [Christopher] thinks there is no loss of detail. But one of the three models he tested wasn’t really affected by the vapor. He thinks it became a bit shinier, but not nearly as much as the skull even after sending it through the process twice. We’d love to hear some discussion as to why.

There is about eight minutes of video to go along with the project post. You’ll find it after the jump.

Comments

  1. medix says:

    Ought to give this a go with methylene chloride. More toxic, but works faster.

  2. Alex says:

    Ill tell you one thing – use acetone and not diluted acetone.
    Nail polish remover Wont cut it. It will start the chemical process but I think in the case of this experiment youll need full on hardware store acetone.

  3. Dowser says:

    Looks nice, but it would be much nicer with some focus in the video.
    Is it possible to get a few pictures of the models as they are now?

  4. Chris says:

    Dont quote me no this but I have heard that the pro smoothing machines use Methyl Ethyl Ketone

  5. rwon says:

    Are there any risks (in terms of air quality) if using acetone this way frequently? Is extra ventilation adviced or is there simply no such risk here?

    • RoadWarrior222 says:

      No everythings fine, just real fine, you might get busted for impaired driving for up to about 10 hours afterwards, and stairs can be difficult, but as long as you have a cozy couch or something to curl up on and plenty of munchies and water, it’s all good until the spinning stops.

  6. Gnarp says:

    Maybe you should use pure aceton like medical type? Think the remover have some extra stuff inside! oil?

    • JoSSte says:

      On his sie there is a closeup of the nail polish remover stating the contents as: Acetone, water, perfume and color. (http://www.trenchphysics.com/?attachment_id=53)
      I was contemplating the same thing. The label doesn’t state what concentration the nail polish remover is at…

      I would definitely try with pure acetone. I just checked the stuff I have – ingerdients: Acetone. shouldn’t be hard to come by.

  7. ds2ktj says:

    I use 100% acetone – not fingernail polish remover – I think I paid $3.00 for a large can of it. The fingernail polish I found at home was only 20-40% acetone. Could be why he had the mixed results.

  8. JoSSte says:

    OT: It’s Polish REMOVER used here – of course it doesn’t work as well :-)

  9. Yea if you want pure acetone, you need to go to the hardware store, or a beauty supply. Both sell 100% acetone.

  10. Myndale says:

    Something else to keep in mind…the vapor may not have been up to temperature. IR thermometers can’t read glass or shiny surfaces properly, you’re better off taping a small piece of packing tape or something to the jar and taking your reading off that.

    • Colecoman1982 says:

      This is 100% true. I can’t be completely sure that this is what caused the problems (personally, I think the fact that he used polish remover instead of pure acetone is probably the real problem) but I can vouch for the accuracy of this comment. My previous jobs was working for a major safety testing lab. We weren’t allowed to use IR thermometers for generating actual test data because there is so much that has to be taken into account in order to get accurate measurements (emissivity of the material being measured; ambient atmospheric conditions; etc.). There is no way in hell you should assume you’re going to get an accurate temperature value swinging it around like that (not that most people, like this guy, have any reason to know that before buying a cheap IR thermometer).

      The same goes for those fancy IR heat cameras from companies like Fluke. They’re great for giving a general idea of the broad temperature variations between materials in a scene but, without a lot more info about the ambient conditions and materials themselves, never assume they are even close to accurate.

  11. nickythegreek says:

    I use this method as it takes about 30 seconds and then ~30mins of drying time afterwards. It has been the best of every acetone smoothing method that I have tried.

    http://solidoodletips.wordpress.com/2012/11/10/presto-part-finisher/

  12. ejonesss says:

    for those wanting to get into this you may want to look at

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetone#Safety

  13. I may have to try this instead of flame polishing

  14. BotherSaidMayans says:

    Interesting indeed.
    I wonder if this method would work for unmucking scratched CDs?
    (disclaimer:- would probably warp the disk badly, best done on non-rare CDs or something which everyone has a copy of first)

    • matt says:

      I used a similar process years ago to fix key scratches on the LCD of a BlackBerry, before they started including hard plastic screen protectors over the LCDs. Acetone (nail polish remover) was first used which a rough surface, then Formax Emery Cake buffing compound, and then MAAS polish. All polishing was done by hand, and only to the effected area of the screen. This left part of the screen which I worked with a high gloss finish and the rest being matte; but at least I could see what was on the screen again. If you ran your finger over the screen, you could feel the dip where a fair amount of material had been removed. I’m assuming you could do the same for CDs.

  15. RoadWarrior222 says:

    What I’m thinking now, is that it would be good to spec the process, for time temperature acetone strength, and do some test runs for varying time temp , and scan the model after with a 3d laser scanner, then you can compare that model to the model. that was printed… then you work out a print filter to apply to models such that with a given spec of the process, they turn out to exact dimensions or surface finish required. i.e. account for shrinkage.

    Another thought is, that you don’t wanna have a “cold” print in there, otherwise you’d get condensation and puddling of the solvent.

  16. RinoX says:

    I tired it myself, but you may not print hollow objekts. It has to be printed solid, without filling structures. Otherwise the acetone will throw bubbles. At least that was my experience with 3 layers thick wall.

  17. Whatnot says:

    That video.. worst thing I expect to see this year, the movement and never-reaching-focus combined with the music which seemed picked to enhance those effects.. I need to lay down for a bit to get over watching that.

    • Greenaum says:

      Yup, why do people assume we all share their terrible taste in music? I don’t force guests in my house to listen to my favourite music, so why put it on a video aimed at the public? Don’t do it! Just assume a viewer can survive those 5 minutes without your musical influence! It’s ok, I have my own MP3 player on standby in case I start getting withdrawal symptoms.

  18. NewbieFour says:

    I used to do acetone vapor polishing at an old job. A few pointers would be to use hot water to create your vapor. Flames or heating elements around acetone is really, really, really dangerous. What we did was hang the parts in an enclosure above a pool of acetone, then run very hot water through pipes immersed in the acetone. This creates a heavy vapor cloud that smooths the parts and keeps any source of heat safely away from the acetone. Another tip is to use absolutely pure acetone. Nail polish remover often has oils added to it to keep it from drying your skin out. (Pure acetone dries your skin almost instantly.) These oils and diluting agents interfere with the process. Lastly, wear gloves at all times. Acetone can be absorbed through your skin and kills your liver.

    • Ian Johnson says:

      For DIY, using a stock pot sitting in a larger basin that you can pour hot water into does the job more simply, especially if you keep the pot raised a little so the hot water can go under it. I also used a fountain pump to run ice water through copper tubing at the top to create a zone of cool air to condense the vapor before it could escape. It was linked in an earlier comment.

  19. lowlysoundtech says:

    Have the same printer, slightly smaller jar, used nail polish remover, just didnt come out great. I thought i wasnt getting the bed up to temp, but im going to try with plain acetone from menards and see if i have better luck. May try on a hot plate to see if i can get a more consistent temp across the bottom of the jar. Will post results.

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