[punamenon2] has built an interesting bike that moves forward regardless if it is pedaled forward or backwards! What? Yes, you read that correctly. Pedal forward or backwards and the bike goes forward. This project started off as any old cruiser with a free-wheeling rear hub. To pull off this mod a second free-wheel and sprocket had to be added to the current wheel assembly. One free-wheel and sprocket set is used when pedaling forward, the other set is used when pedaling in reverse. There is also a new chain tensioner that serves to not only keep the chain taut but also allows for the chain to change directions which ultimately allows this novel idea to work.
Confused? Here’s how it works:
When pedaling in the forward direction, the bike acts as a normal bike does where top of the Crank Sprocket pulls the chain and the chain then pulls on the top of the Large Wheel Sprocket. This turns the rear wheel in the forward direction. The portion of the chain that wraps around the Small Wheel Sprocket is traveling in the backward (CCW) direction which doesn’t cause a problem because it is a freewheel, just like how you can pedal backwards on a bike while coasting forward. Since there are two different sized Wheel Sprockets, pedaling in the forward direction is the higher of the two gears.
When pedaling backwards the chain moves in the opposite direction. The bottom of the Crank Sprocket pulls the chain forward which in-turn pulls on the top of the Small Wheel Sprocket. This also turns the rear wheel in the forward direction. The portion of the chain that wraps around the Large Wheel Sprocket is now traveling in the backward (CCW) direction, and again doesn’t cause a problem because it is freewheel.
Why did [punamenon2] decide to do this? Just for fun! And that is a good enough reason in our book.
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Ingenious, but when I reverse direction on the pedals, I am acting from the memory that says reversing will brake. And if the reverse pedaling is effortless, my next action is to use the handbrakes. In other words, if I reverse direction, I am expecting to stop, NOT continue forward direction under power!
I haven’t seen a bike that braked on reverse since BMX bikes of the 80s.
It’s anything that’s a fixed-wheel gear. Lot’s of commuters use them daily instead of say a single speed (with a free wheel installed) or some sort of gearing setup (like your 21-speed bike)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixed-gear_bicycle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-speed_bicycle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_gearing
almost all beach cruisers use pedal brakes
I understand that is a US typical thing, because in the US they have laws that say you have to have 2 brakes, so they put double handbrakes on them as the most cost effective way, whereas in the rest of the world there are billions upon billion of backpedal brakes.
At least that is what I heard as explanation, but I know for a fact that there are an awful lot of backpedal brake bikes being made and sold every day.
That is entirely incorrect. Surely there are some local laws, there are fifty states and all, but the reason why most bikes come with two brakes is because that is what people buy. Backpedal brakes are still immensely popular in the US, but only on bikes with only one gear.
Essentially this is the same as usual, the ignorance of people on the US is at the same level as the ignorance of americans about other countries.
Two independant brakes are law in UK at least. On my wife’s tricycle that means a hub brake and a rim brake on the front wheel. A bit crazy perhaps but ultimately safer. It seems that putting brakes on the two rear wheels of a tricycle is a non-trivial problem.
Have to say also that the backwards/forwards pedalling bike is a true masterpiece.
Eh? Pretty much all cruiser road bikes in US use brake-on-reverse. I’m not talking about mountain bikes and 10-speeds; I’m talking about bikes like these cruisers.
Mind you, for someone who grew up learning to ride a bike with handbrakes I absolutely detest reverse pedal brakes. AFAIC, its despicability is right up there with cars with automatic transmissions. (c:
The idea with reverse pedal breaking is that since you pedal forward to speed up, a very natural reaction when trying to slow down is to pedal backwards. This is why many people will recommend reverse breaking bikes to children.
Whereas to me it seems natural to grip my hands tight in fear if I am about to hit something…..
Some local couriers in the city also use backpedal brakes to help reduce weight and increase maneuverability. The bikes are devoid of anything but the bare minimum. If they could get rid of the seat, they would.
City ordinance requires two brakes which is absurd as very few childrens bikes use handle brakes and young children don’t have the coordination anyways.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a bike that doesn’t break when reverse pedaling. (Finland)
Look on those with gears on the back wheel. Those with in-hub switching brake on backpedalling, those with open open gears freewheel.
Might have some implications for racing. When you wear out one muscle group you can switch to a different set.
Very very interesting thought. Obviously this particular one has too much added complexity but the idea is intriguing.
Ah, see comment below. Apparently those groups are dramatically weaker.
Good build! These are prized by collectors – there’s a guy who rides RAGBRAI in full French cycling costume (complete with a garland of garlic) on one that’s nearing 100 years old.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retro-direct
That’s one awesome way to get two different gears out of a fixie.
oh yeah! thanks for pointing that out!
I like the build, but the description of how it works is backwards from the pictures. The chain coming from the front sprocket (top) goes to the small back sprocket (top), so peddling forwards gives drive to the smaller sprocket, but still high gear. The drawings are labeled correctly though.
One other great thing about this build is the instantaneous gear change by changing direction.
My only question is what happens if you stop peddling? I assume you still get the coast feature, but haven’t thought that far through the geometry.
Yes, I think that coasting still works. Both freewheels are installed in the normal direction, the direction change is done by the chain reversal.
However, trying to push the bike backwards would result in a dead stop :D
looks like you get a different gear ratio in one direction than you do in the other, an interesting alternative to shifters.
Neato. Reminds me of this old ratching egg beater drill with the same function
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5S1Zh_syQdI
For f**ks sake, Just hold the damn drill still!!
I definitely agree. I hate when videos do this. I see it a lot on game play videos if there is no good reason to move stay the F#@K still
This is one of those types who like to talk with their hands. Too bad he is holding the drill with them :P
At least the video is not vertical.
Hey, let me make a video to show you something, and then move it around every half second so you can’t see it. And just in case I am still enough for you to see it for a second, I am going to shoot the video with the light BEHIND it, so it is just a black blob.
PWNED1
It’s a very old idea. Google “retro direct” and you should find some links. Still, it’s an interesting build. Kudos!
That tensioner is actually called a derailleur. It’s only chain tensioning if it was a single sprocket bike.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derailleur
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-speed_bicycle#Chain_tensioning
*speed
“That tensioner is actually called a derailleur. It’s only chain tensioning if it was a single sprocket bike.”
No, a derailleur would move the chain from one sprocket to the other. In this case the chain is permanently passing over both sprockets, and the tensioner simply holds one end of the chain loop in place so that there is a good “wrap” around both sprockets.
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Our local (Ukraine) MTB guru tried to do it and get negative experience. Muscles used for reverse pedaliing are too weak, even with lower gear ratio. Forward pedalling is much more effective, even when tired
sure, those muscles never got much use. But the thing with muscles is that they respond to training (load). Use them more and get stronger pedalling backwards.
I haven’t ridden a coaster-brake in 30-40 years. I see two handbrakes on most bikes I see in world media. There is much ill-ergonomics in the coaster-brake. Having only two short areas of actuation and having to stop pedaling and reverse in a flash. The safety of braking with the rear wheel on gravel is known , but the rest of rear only braking sucks. It’s so much easier to mount a bike with a handbrake, specially if a beginner.
Two gears with no shifter is far better than one gear and one brake at your feet.
I tried to do this once. I thought I could just take off the foot break part. Didn’t work, I know no more than I did then.
So instead of just buying a crank with a reverse option he made his own? That seems like it would be more time consuming and expensive in the long run.
You must be new to this site. It’s not about time or expense, but about doing it.
I used to work in bike shops, and have seen quite a few of these builds. Nicely done!
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retro-direct
You’re right, this concept was already used in 1920′
have a look to this forum for more pictures http://forum.tontonvelo.com/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=2565&start=90
I’m 99% used to handbrakes but reverse brakes still brake when wheel is in water, mud or sand!
And a child don’t need to wait for a real hand grip to be able to stop all this cinetic energy.
Reverse pedaling seems fun but I’d like to read more about measured benefits.
Now you can hill climb a mountain with a fixie.. That’s the idea.
except that it is not a fixie (fixed gear bike) anymore: you have two gears…
the police in Kent, WA. had locally manufactured bicycles that did this circa 2000. very heavy MTBs they were, but almost bulletproof.
I can see chain damage very fast.
Iv seen allready bike with “reverse pedaling”, but it had 2 chains – one at right and one at left side, worked without any complex setups and gears at both sides :)
probably not: a normal derailleur (tr: derailer) needs a chain that is quite flexible in the axial direction, this one only bend the width of two sprockets. Sure it will wear out, but any bicyclechain does that.
I feel like I would find a way to hurt myself on that thing, but I do love it. I may have been stated already, but in the U.S. our “secondary” brake on pedal brake bikes is to shove your shoe in between the forks and the front tire ;)