Last chance to enter The Hackaday Prize.

AeroQuad – build your own quadcopter

It hurts us to look at this quadcopter, agonizingly so when we watch the video after the break. That’s because we feel the unstoppable compulsion to build one. This four-rotor helicopter has a lot to be proud of; it features Gyro stabilization, Xbee remote control for very long distance operation, and computer interface for data graphing and calibration.

We like the quadcopter that we came across at CES but building one of our own is more fun than buying it ready-made. The pain we’re feeling is mostly in our pocketbook. To help ease the agony we scoured the parts list and the assembly instructions in order to get an estimate of what this might cost. We’re looking at around $415 plus shipping, not including transmitter and receiver for controlling it.  Yep, that’s a sharp stabbing pain but we’re not sure we can just let it go.

[Thanks Roy]

Comments

  1. NatureTM says:

    I too have felt the stabbing since I started seeing these things. $415 actually doesn’t seem all that bad to me after looking at how much retailers sell quadcopters for. I’m hoping these things begin to “take off” and we’ll start seeing some cheaper mass produced versions in the hobby shops.

  2. NatureTM says:

    haha no first post for you ali! Maybe you woulda got first post had you not stopped to be a dick and typed, “first post.” Ah-hahahahahah!

  3. Gregg says:

    I implore you don’t visit http://www.diydrones.com for the love of all that’s holy avoiiiiiid :)

  4. mj says:

    This one’s fans are not ducted. Ducted fans increase the fan efficiency tremendously, so you could get away with smaller motors and therefore less battery weight..

  5. monkeyslayer56 says:

    i would really really like to build one but a 14 year olds budget doesn’t allow for it…

    • Crowdsource says:

      > i would really really like to build one but a 14 year olds budget doesn’t allow for it…
      Get parents/relatives to sponsor your kickstart/indigo project to pay for the copter. ;)

  6. barry99705 says:

    @mj

    The ducts add weight though.

  7. barry99705 says:

    @ monkeyslayer56

    Don’t worry dude, this 36 year old’s budget doesn’t allow for it either…… :(

  8. charliex says:
  9. jjrh says:

    a 21 year old’s budget doesn’t allow for it either ahaha.

  10. Xandar says:

    @mj

    You sure ducted fans offer improved efficiency for something like this? From what I’ve read they only really offer benefits at high speed and even then usually not enough to justify their cost

  11. carzRfun says:

    One of these days my budget is just gonna have to get used to the idea.

  12. aonomus says:

    Considering how much Mikrokopter (http://www.mikrokopter.de/ucwiki/en/MikroKopter and https://www.mikrocontroller.com/ ) *navigation/control* boards cost, an entire quadcopter for this price makes it much more accessible to the general public. While its not perfect, its a step in the right direction.

  13. mifau says:

    http://mikrokopter.de they’re way better!

  14. zer0 says:

    a 18 year old’s budget doesn’t allow for it either

  15. fdsa says:

    the controller is the real pain, its around $500.

  16. polossatik says:

    @ Mifau: that is for an even BIGGER budget.

  17. ahjo says:

    jup, stuff at mikrokopter.de is nice.
    only half the fun to use their designs, but their stuff works. it’s more like building a kit-car.

    ducts work, makes the thing quiter aswell, if you are not standing right below it.

    thing is, if you go for a custom body, ducts are not that much more. have to use different propellers to get the most out of them.
    what i like most about using the “duct design” is that the copter is much less prone to damage something in minor accidents or while navigating realy tight spaces.

    helps to have some material engeneering students on hand that also know their cad software.

  18. roy cohen says:

    haha im so happy because i recommended this for them

  19. taylor says:

    I’m ALWAYS tempted when I see these – I’ve always wanted to build one!

    I actually met up with someone else from Hackaday and we wanted to build one, but I was too busy. Still am, sadly.

    Some day I will build one.

    Anyone know any links to info about simplified Kalman Filters that don’t use matrix math? I never did a lot of that in college and I’d love to dive into something without having to re-learn all that, if i don’t have to.
    -Taylor

  20. Gregg says:

    Re: ducted fans

    You have to use impellers, rather than props which mean they spin at high speeds (circa 18>24k rpm) which means they are noisy as all hell.

    https://shop.graupner.de/webuerp/servlet/AI?ARTN=1371.90

  21. _matt says:

    As an electrical engineer noob, my question is:
    If you used two of those recommended batteries in parallel, could you pull a theoretical 40C current?
    Either way, you’d get way more flight time from a 306g payload.

    I want to build one so bad, but that is not within a 20 year old college student’s budget :\

    From looking at the build pictures, I could see a couple weight-reducing components to make up for the second battery I would add.

  22. abbott says:

    What I would like to see is a variation of a quad copter to become a tilt-rotor craft. I know you’re probably thinking that when you tilt the rotors, they’ll be cocked outwards, but it should be possible to have the mating surfaces at an angle to each other… now to go try to figure out the correct angle…

  23. abbott says:

    @by_matt

    Yes, you can pull double current. You would be able to pull 40C, assuming the recommended batteries are 20C. 60C if you had three, etc.

  24. carzRfun says:

    Does anybody happen to know what kind of flight time you can get with this copter with the 4000mAh battery? I assume that is the battery size this one is using as that’s what’s listed in the parts list.

  25. cgmark says:

    If you could get the weight down then you really need very little thrust to keep it up . Probably the easiest way to experiment with something like this is styrofoam for a structure and some cheap DC 12 volt fans like a pc uses, use it wired till you get a feel for the overall design.

    Could also do the steampunk way. Use a very small steam generator powered by something like sterno to power the electronics.

  26. Nemo says:

    A 15 year old’s budget sadly does not allow for such shenanigans either, but awesome project none-the-less.

  27. Ned Scott says:

    Roman candles firing randomly at the ground and flying in a back yard that is under power lines. Did anyone else notice this?

  28. Tachikoma says:

    Yes I noticed. And it was good.

  29. Perhaps you would like the one I built.

    http://www.nicoleto.com/NicoletoMK/Home.html

    It’s based on Mikrokopter technology.

  30. Red says:

    For what it is, $400 is cheap. I’ve seen many different designs for these pop up, many never made it to flight.

    This one looks pretty solid, the parts are reasonably cheap and easy enough to get. Assuming he is supplying all the needed code and you could replicate his electronics package exactly, you could easily have this running in a weekend, and from what I can see on his web page that isn’t much of a stretch.

  31. k0ldBurn says:

    at 18, I can barely fit the necessary parts for my VW into the budget, I don’t think I can afford this quite yet. I always wanted to build one of these or get one and mod it but I’ve never had the time or money..

  32. Rachel says:

    Does anyone else think $415 is way too much for something like this? Looking at the parts list, I see so many cheaper alternatives. Easily $150 can be saved by making a custom circuit board. There’s no need to buy a $30 arduino, a $75 (eek!) accelerometer and gyroscope module, $46 worth of breakout boards. Integrating the motor controllers and battery monitor will save another $44.

    I know this doesn’t take into account the components needed to populate the PCB, but they’re most definitely far less than $150. Pretty much everything can be sampled for the prototype.

    Not to criticize the designers for the lovely proof of concept made from off the shelf parts, but there is room for vast improvements and cost reductions.

  33. bothersaidpooh says:

    hmm.
    as for a source of cheap batteries, the ones used in the ipod touch 3G (32G+) are pretty light and small.

    i just obtained some 300mAh LiFePO4 CR123 replacements but they are pretty heavy, though have the advantage of being able to handle ridiculous currents without risk of fire.
    stepup converter + cell = 12.5V from one CR123 :)

  34. David says:

    Rachel – hat do you plan to stabilize this thing with, if not a gyro. RC gyros are not cheap.

  35. Mark B says:

    Hahaha, this post was posted about 3 days after I started building my Quadrotor based on the frame design of the one hackaday has linked to. (The power and electronics will be very different).

    I’ve spent about £300 and the only thing left to get is the IMU.

  36. sasquatchking says:

    This can be in anyone’s budget if you want it bag enough. I’ve already labeled a jar. $40 a month and I’ll have one in a year or so.

    Can’t wait!

  37. Rachel says:

    I never said it wouldn’t be stabilized. And the gyros are cheap, just not in a prepackaged module. $23 worth of parts sold for $115.

    If anyone would like to help me design a PCB, we could make these things very cheaply.

  38. Spork says:

    I was tempted to start building one after the CES posts, now I am afraid that I might actually do it. These things look like a lot of fun.

    @Rachel,
    While I agree that you could make the build significantly cheaper, I was also wondering what your plan for stabilization is without the gyro/accelerometer.

  39. steve says:

    what about using one of those cheap sparkfun 2.4ghtz transmitters? would work until you’re done testing it

  40. error404 says:

    @Spork: There isn’t one. You still use the same IMU components, just not the $75 breakout board version… The dual axis gyros are about $7 in singles, the 3 axis accelerometer about $6. You need two gyros and an accelerometer for their 6DOF, that’s $20 in parts. The breakout boards will run you about $120.

    But I wouldn’t want to be the guy soldering these tiny leadless packages by hand either…

  41. Greg says:

    I don’t have time to read all the comments but it doesn’t look like anyone has mentioned the X-UFO. It is a very affordable quadcopter that comes with the controller and everything. Be aware when looking that you won’t get far with the stock gyro though. There is at least one company selling solid state electronic gyros for them and I hear they are bulletproof.

    Sadly, I have two of them sitting on a shelf collecting dust. I lost interest (read: time) before I could upgrade the gyros. I upgraded the battery to LiPo and they run very nicely. Check youtube for them. Most of the sites I found with info were in German.

  42. Spork says:

    @error404
    I was thinking the same thing. Sourced from digikey, it comes to $13+shipping for the 3-axis accel and the 2-axis gyro. I had read her post thinking she wanted to get rid of the gyro and accelerometer.

    Those parts wouldn’t be so bad if they were in a TQFP instead of LFCSP, but as they are now it’s VERY difficult to solder by hand. It seems like the whole control board price could be cut down significantly if you were willing to put a little effort into the build. Plus if you had access to a plasma cutter, you could use Nicholas’ idea and cut your frame from fiberglass (or carbon fiber in his case) it would be very inexpensive. The only cost that is more or less fixed would be the motors and batteries.

    All of that being said, my budget doesn’t even want me to look at this project anymore for fear of not eating.

  43. supermac says:

    Here is a video of my Aeroquad build in flight!

  44. sam says:

    That’s odd. They create the software to allow for yaw, but then angle all the rotors directly up so that there’s no possible way to get that yaw.

  45. ken says:

    In theory YOu could actually do it for a hell of a lot less, Example get the motors proppellers and speed controls from hobbycity.com ( you can even find combo packs for as litle as 20 for those three parts x4 so $100us get a 4ch rc transmitter 2 stick aircraft type not pistol you can find these controls for as cheap as $40us with 2.4GHz tr module and rx module. next you need either gyros or accelerometer you might even want to toss in a BEC (battery Elimination Circuit) to cut down on weight so you don’t have to have a battery pack for the rx module as well as the main power supply Bec is about $10us using gyros your looking at $60us for all 3 or $10-30 for a accelerometer (3-axis) and a stmicro discovery board for $10 (s\h included) finally you’ll need and want a frame…you can get carbon fiber rods and tubes from a few hobby stores online and they aren’t that expensive so whats the guestimated total? just under $400 probly less if you could find some deals, for a quick design idea check out rc groups.com.

  46. Patrick Steiger says:

    Hello Mike Szczys!
    I’m from Germany so I apologize for my english!)
    It’s some time ago but perhaps you still have the code you programmed for your Arduino-motherboard!?!
    The could you plz send it to me?!
    (Email: p-steiger@live.de)
    Hopeful waiting, Patrick;)

  47. Zach says:

    @sam
    I haven’t read the build, so I may be wrong, but I’ve heard of quadcopters getting yaw control by rotating the propellers in opposite directions. By having opposing props rotating in the same direction, you can increase the rotation speed of two opposite props and decrease the speed of the other props, generating torque.

  48. sam says:

    @Zach
    Yeah I was thinking frictionless when I made that comment :P I read it after I posted it and was like “Shit, I’m retarded.”

  49. Soldtonorm says:

    I’ve needed to lose weight anyway…looks like I’ll be skipping lunches!

  50. Michael says:

    This 6DOF Arduino library might be useful for DIY quad-copters:
    http://n0m1.com/2012/02/27/6dof-arduino-compass-accelerometer/

    It has an automatic hard iron solver, computes pitch, roll and yaw angles as well as doing 360 degree tilt compensation on the compass…

Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out / Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out / Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out / Change )

Google+ photo

You are commenting using your Google+ account. Log Out / Change )

Connecting to %s

Follow

Get every new post delivered to your Inbox.

Join 91,150 other followers