Octocopter will someday kill someone

posted Sep 23rd 2011 12:38pm by
filed under: transportation hacks

Above you can see Doctor Wily a Chinese hacker starting up one of the propellers on his octocopter. It seems that the man is using a collection of eight motorcycle engines, each with its own wooden propeller to create an eight-bladed helicopter. We were able to locate some video footage of his experiments, which you’ll find embedded after the break. As you can see, this is perfectly capable of flight, but we’re not quite sure if we’d call it controlled flight just yet.

The video starts off showing all kinds of hack-ity activities, like tightening the bolts on the propeller and priming the gas lines by sucking on them like a straw (mmmm….. high-octane!). Coke bottles serve as the gas tanks, and you’ll want to keep your hands inside the vehicle because there’s no cages to keep them out of the hand-started propellers. Although we don’t speak his language, we did understand the demonstration of the controls that the man gives, showing an earlier model with rings of fabric around four of the propellers meant to help direct the downward thrust as a steering mechanism. We don’t think this will be viable until there is some type of PID system that predicts the performance of each motor and makes quick adjustments to keep the craft balanced. None-the-less we were glued to the screen hoping that this turkey would fly.

[Thanks KillerBug via BoingBoing and DIY Drones]



103 Responses to Octocopter will someday kill someone

  • Csae says:

    That absolutely looks like its going to kill someone. A propeller hitting something and coming loose, or part of it, it slipping towards someone, god the number of things!

    That being said, kudos to him for trying and building such a crazy thing. Crazy things are good! Just wish he had a bit more safety in mind.

    • currently_awake says:

      The only way to make this work is variable pitch propellers at the four corner motors. It would give this monster the quick response needed to control attitude during flight. Throttling the motors just isn’t fast enough to react to turbulence. Also moving the box lower would increase stability (helicopters have blades above for this reason).

  • nootropic says:

    I’m an optimist. This is the safest octocopter I’ve ever seen.

  • austin says:

    yeah i dont know how predictable gasoline engines are it seems like it wouldnt take much to throw things off (kink in the line, misfire of one of the cylinders, etc) electric engines have similar issues (frayed wire, em interference, bad coil) i imagine but it seems to me like an electric engine is easier to predict than a gas engine. but being a novice to both i can’t say with any certainty.
    either way its a nice build i want a flying car already dammit!

    • Cibico99 says:

      really the worst part of gas engines is the carburetors. This seems to be the problem for this guy. The engines all run great and everything seems fine, but not all the carbs are perfectly tuned the same to each other. So while he throttles it up, some engines might get a little more gas then the others or more air and hit their power band before the rest. Then one side takes off and the other just sits on the ground.

    • andrew says:

      That’s interesting.. I wonder if people have experimented with quadcopters that “lose” an engine mid flight. I.e., can you design a PID system to adapt quickly to a lost engine?

    • Aeros says:

      Plus with an electric motor you loose the weight of the gasoline. Well you have to add in batteries so it might not be much savings.

  • Kevin says:

    No, it’s not flying, it’s barely a hovercraft. I don’t have the math, but if farther off the ground it would lose around 50% of it’s thrust, due to not having the ground to push air against, with the reflected air pushing back up.
    Same problem with most demos of flying cars and “jetpacks”

    It’s really hard to get the thrust to weight ratio high enough to actually fly.

  • cdilla says:

    Holy shit. And I complain when my neighbour incessantly revs the single engine on his moped. Lol, what an absolute maniac. The world would be a poorer place without his kind.

  • Will says:

    These will be for sale at used car dealerships right next to the scooters!

  • Craig says:

    Without the aid of computer control, this is pure madness. Sloshing of fuel alone would affect fuel pressure on carbbed engines, not to mention leaning out should you climb to steeply, etc. It would take years of practice, under ideal scenarios, to fly.

    However, with basic quardricopter telemetry data and a stiffer chassis there is no reason this couldn’t work.

    Kudos to you, Chinese man with a healthy disregard for your own personal safety.

  • macegr says:

    I can imagine the entire process of how the first victim will go. They’ll be hand-starting one of the motors when they trip over a support or hot exhaust and walk into another nearly invisible spinning propeller. It’ll take off their legs across the shins, then they’ll fall face down into the prop and get bounced across several propellers.

    Or it actually gets aloft and the pilot falls off his chair and through the thin fabric wall.

  • Sebastian says:

    People are reeeally inventive when it comes to deathtraps. :)

  • David says:

    needs handlebars, a motorcycle seat, and born to be wild playing.. otherwise dude in the seat just looks like a lolcat.

    woulda been awesome if he actually flew though

  • Kevin says:

    In addition, computer control would be hard, because you need accelerometers or something to detect tilt, so you can balance thrust and keep from flipping over and dieing. In a design like this, there’s going to be a lot of flex and bouncing, giving a real high noise level in readings from your sensors. If the delay between detecting tilt and the engines actually compensating for it is a multiple of one of the bounce frequencies, it could immediately flip over and dive into the ground with practically any tilt.

  • TheCitySpiders says:

    I want to see a Video of this Flying ASAP!
    This goes right up there with the crazy hover vehicles made way back when jet engines were new science.
    Like the weird UFO looking things with jet engines and dual prop vertical take-off style vehicles.
    And those with safety concerns;yeah I can point out a few problems like getting chopped to shreds whilst starting the engines up and some kinda cages for the intake at least.{I wonder if a single decent sized motorcycle engine could power all eight props with a central geared drive shaft setup like a bunch of turning spokes?
    oh well never know what some one will build next.

    • TheCitySpiders says:

      Oh yeah as i mentioned that it is reminiscent of the crazy hover cars and UFO spook stuff the skunk works made …[Kevin]pointed the dead obvious problem of the thrust drifting right off as soon as it got far enough away from the ground effectively grounding it to maybe a few feet hover in a kinda sloshing hover.
      In addition it also needs some accelerometers and Heli-Style maneuvering for the props to even make a decent kind of lift off as well as bigger higher area blades to create the amount of thrust needed to make it into the air.
      I would imagine some sort of electric motor setup and a generator hooked to a light weight high efficiency engine could provide power it would need a hell of a motor controller and navigation system fast enough like the Osprey Aircraft does Sans the tilt rotor setup.

    • supershwa says:

      I think it would be a video of it CRASHING…

      Looks dangerously fun though.

  • ed3203 says:

    incredible, if it wasn’t tied down that thing would have shot up with him in it! they need a mechanism for faster and more direct control of the power to the propellers; not too dissimilar to the aeroquad stuff, horizontal balancing and the like

  • fred41 says:

    really ingenious “ring” system attached to the fabric ring…
    love the simplicity!!!!

  • Burnerjack says:

    From a machine design point of view, well, it’s just SO wrong! reliability, thrust to wieght ratio, control, the list goes on. Don’t mean to beat the guy down, but, hey, it is what it is.
    A better tack would be one powerplant for increased thrust to wieght ratio, then a multiprop differential drive for control. True, a siamesed, dual powerplant would be even more reliable still. Ya gutta hand it to the guy though, “A” for effort to be sure and it IS a work of art in a cool, almost “steampunk” kinda way. Dr.Suess meets Igor Sikorsky?

  • Matt says:

    HA! I love it! Especially the leather jacket with no shirt on underneath. This guy is bad ass….

  • smoketester says:

    China Man is Too Cool for School:)

  • tehnoo says:

    This is the definition of awesome.

  • RB says:

    Geez that thing needs some remote controlled off site testing before anyone steps into the ring of blades XD Need to get some logic on that bastard!!!

  • Colin says:

    I hereby nominate this man for a Darwin Award, in the pre-qualifying division.

    Seriously, it looks like a bad idea, but kudos for trying. More kudos if he succeeds.

  • anybodysguess says:

    What is the guy in the background during the last few seconds of video doing?

  • Mizchief says:

    I think the concept can work, but if your going to use gas engines you have to use props with variable pitch instead of reling on engine speed, then you just need gyros hooked up to the pitch on each prop to keep it level.

    I think you could really take one of the basic off the self RC quadracopters then amplify the output of the receiver and gyros on a larger platform. Other than a lot work I don’t see any reason it wouldn’t work.

  • Almost_There says:

    It’s top heavy; if they just raised the plane of the engines so he sat lower in it, it would be stable. (Sort of hang under it more like a traditional helicopter w/ 8 overhead blades.)

  • Techartisan says:

    Since no one of HAD clicks through or reads….the video above is “showing an earlier model with rings of fabric around four of the propellers meant to help direct the downward thrust as a steering mechanism.”

    If you clicked the link and read you would find…..

    “Local farmer Shu Mansheng starts the engines of his self-designed and homemade flying device before a test flight in front of his house in Dashu village on the outskirts of Wuhan, Hubei province September 21, 2011. The round steel flying device, which cost more than 20,000 yuan ($3,135), is the fifth model made by Shu, a junior middle school graduate. It measures around 5.5 meters (18 feet) in diameter, and is powered by eight motorcycle engines. Shu managed to hover for 10 seconds at about 1 metre (3.3 feet) above ground during a recent test flight. ”

    HIS FIFTH MODEL, $3135, still in ground effect at 3.3ft…..but How long have we been waiting to see anything real from MrMoller? How many millions has he spent in development?

    As for overcoming ground effect….The Martin Jetpack has been tested using remote control successfully at 5000ft with a weighted dummy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHPedpE70Es&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

    Im not saying this guy is the next orville nor wilbur….but he I give him huge credit for actually doing something. Airplanes were the MurderMachine Folley of their era….lots of people died building and testing contraptions no better nor worse than this mans machine.

  • Ken Quast says:

    Risk aversion..What’s that? Hey, we have all been there. Its almost working and maybe just another motor and another $25 dollars and a couple of days. And, I would be critical but I have done some pretty foolish things and still have all of my digits and most of my sanity. Carry on fellow experimenter!

  • BatonRouge says:

    How long before the countershaft bearings fail and send the shaft and propeller spinning off into the void (or through someone)? The props are loading the bearings in a direction they were not meant to be loaded in… won’t last long!

  • DaOne says:

    Will it blend? Give him time and he just might!

  • Mic says:

    This is too funny….

  • HanSolo says:

    I want to receive updates about this thing!

  • N0LKK says:

    Wow! A fabric cockpit, just like the Wrights, of oh wait the Wright flyer didn’t have a cockpit. Anything that require a ground crew isn’t likely likely to attract a retail market All that concern about personal injury, but no concern about the pool table being damaged.

  • Gary says:

    “You’ll put your eye out.”… I’d hate to be one of his helpers.

  • Polymath says:

    Oh look, a flying salad shooter…

  • Gordon says:

    This is the most accurate title i have ever seen

  • Wm_Atl says:

    Wow that thing is scary looking. But things with horizontal spinning blades driven by motor cycle engines turned on their sided usually do. Kudos to the guy for trying. At best he has a really loud hovercraft. At worst a death trap. I assume that he enjoys what he is doing. So if your going to go out let it be doing something you enjoy.

  • Tim says:

    Hes probably building it so he can fly the fuck out of China

  • NewCommenter1283 says:

    wow, cool!

    now do this;
    1) use engines with ECM/CPU + CANBUS (car networking)
    2) use uC to network all CANBUS comms with some other super fast (cough:only16mhz) central uC
    3) use accelerometer and stuff (or toy heli’s balence control)
    4) DPAD JOYPAD hell yeh!

    hehehe now you have a flying machine! :D

    … and dont forget the lights, you DO want to be a fake UFO in the news right? lol yeeeeee that alien is dropping empty beer cans!!?!?!?!!?!!?!

  • George Graves says:

    hack-an-inventor

  • KillerBug says:

    If you watch the video closely, you will notice that the camera man seems to be backed into some bushes as far as he can go…the poor guy signed on to film hostage situations and to run into burning buildings…not to do something as dangerous as stand next to THAT!!!

  • KillerBug says:

    BTW…he should take it over to foxconn…the viral video of employees throwing themselves at it would pay for him to go to aerodynamics school.

  • Burnerjack says:

    Soon, he’ll be known as “Lefty”

  • Ted says:

    Wow, gives a whole new meaning to “Propeller Development Board”

  • ferdie says:

    it look like the first hovergraft .
    the only trip you make in it is a trip to haven.
    i call it the widowmaker or in jap ウィドウメーカー

  • LordNothing says:

    first off i dont like how the props are below the aircraft’s cg, so you get no inherent self stability like you do with true heli.

    second i dont like that the engines are not interconnected. you loose one engine you loose control, your only hope is to kill the engine on the opposite side, reducing net thrust and potentially your ability to stay alift. if this was done automatically (such as computerized throttle control) it would improve the safety margin and even without sufficient lift you could slow your decent to survivable levels.

    multiple engine failures would be catastrophic, especially engines on the same side. other kinds of failures like a prop failure could kill to injure the pilot and/or destroy other engines/props.

    i think id use a single more powerful engine to drive a bunch of variable pitch props though some kind of chain, or better yet, shaft drive with engine and pilot suspended below the structure rather than on top of it. you could probably get better yaw control if half the props counter rotate to the other half.

  • anyone says:

    god damnit i wish hundreds of years ago everyone in every country agreed on a common language and we all spoke it.

  • Vonskippy says:

    China should stick to stealing other peoples working designs.

    They’ve proven time and time again that in this century, they can’t engineer themselves out of a wet paper bag.

    • KillerBug says:

      This guy never even went to high school, and he managed to do a test hover without killing himself…I’d say that is pretty good.

      Yeah…a test hover is a disaster waiting to happen and if he dies in an actual flight it will be listed as a suicide…but have you built a hover platform that is any better?

  • ELduderino says:

    nice pool table

  • FROG says:

    IS this Chinese space program ?!

  • Rick says:

    It Slices. It Dices. But Wait, There’s More!
    Sequel on Faces of Death.
    你失去你的心在中國

  • pRoFlT says:

    What no arduino control?

    I agree with a previous post. should get cheap RC quad heli with gyro/compas etc and from there control prop speed etc. Should be minimal design efforts.

    Blades higher up would be good. less chance falling into blades and better balance once in the air.

    you know once he gets like 15-20 feet in the air its going to flip over! At least there is only small amounts of gas on board the octocopter.

    Should redesing using single motorocycle in the middle and a chain or axel driven control to all 8 blades. Like a harley in the middle. Then control could be left right with some kind of forward reverse push of the handle bars?

    anyways, if he doesn’t change his design to include some saftey im sure we will be hearing about his grusome death.

    And yes, he is tryting to get the hell out of china!

  • Tom says:

    Ordinary helicopters are NOT inherently stable. And for a device like this, the CG height is not that significant, because at slow airspeeds, the thrust is always aligned along the airframe’s down axis, even if that tilts with respect to gravity (unlike a balloon or parachute where the lift is always globally up.)

    Fixed pitch props mean it’ll be a near thing whether they can vary their thrust quickly enough – and also relying entirely on human control could be a limiting factor. The larger scale may help, though.

    That said, those spinning blades, with each engine and the cockpit all in plane, is scary! Also I’d keep the synthetic fabric away from the hot exhaust pipes.

    • Kevin says:

      A real helicopter can be imagined as hanging by the rotors. If it’s tilted, gravity tends to pull it back level. This device, if it’s tilted due to a small imbalance in thrust, will move horizontally and the tilt will not correct without adjusting thrust, in fact the tilt will continue to increase. If it’s tilted beyond a certain point, it will very quickly flip over.

      The tethers and the way they are attached hide this. They also hide that he has no control over rotation, and 8 rotors all spinning counterclockwise will do the same as in a helicopter with no tail rotor, spin the vehicle the opposite direction. Reversing half the rotors would slow the spin he’d get on untethered flight, and spin would be controllable if you varied the speed of the left and right rotors as groups.

      A helicopter does require attention to 3 sets of controls, a stick that controls forward/back and left/right, pedals that control turning on it’s axis, and a lever like an automobile handbrake that controls height. This is why better than toy grade helicopter models need 4 channels of control.

      Real helicopters are made with mechanical controls, but the stick controls the tilt of a swash plate, the lever controls the height of the swash plate, and the pedals control the blade angle of the tail rotor. It’s doable with cable or hydraulic control. With 8 engines to control speed to try to balance a craft, electronics and faster than human responses to keep balance is going to be required, just as with newer planes like the B2 bomber, it is an inherently unstable design, computer adjustment of the diagonal control surfaces is the only way it can stay in the air.
      Look up how helicopters work, and also look up the B2 bomber’s controls.

  • tommy-turtle says:

    Cant you see this at Burning man

  • Kevin says:

    A real helicopter, if it has engine failure, autorotates, falling through the air the air moving past the blades forces them to turn, slowing it.

    One reason this octocopter has no central drive, no electronics to control, no real fuel tank to power it for more time, no seat, etc, is weight. It barely gets into the air with ground effect even with the blades starting just off the ground. Lifting the blades above the pilot’s head would reduce the ground effect, and make it that much harder to get as far off the ground as he has.

    For this to work, he needs a significant increase in thrust to weight, possibly a different kind of engine, turbine etc, lightweight blades, possibly as others have said variable pitch, a central engine might be best, but if you go to that, it would be easier to build something more recognizable as a helicopter. You can see in the video the difficulty of balancing the thrust of the engines, needs to be fly by wire system, with realtime tilt sensors and engine control, with quick enough response on the engines to recover from tilting. Then with this minimal frame, clean data from the tilt sensors would be hard.

  • drbob says:

    The octo-human-body-parts-chopper-and-dicer. It could be its own 70′s gore movie.

  • Later we read..”Guy chopped up by own creation”

  • Rob says:

    Here’s a more recent video of his latest revision:

    See that glove he’s wearing while starting the engine? He has safety in mind!

  • abobymouse says:

    Didn’t anyone else see the fuel tanks he’s using:- old cola bottles with pipe shoved through the lids?

    Awesome, but I can’t help feeling that whatever the Chinese equivalent of the FAA is will be having strong words with him.

    Also, someone send him some lighter propellors.

  • buzzles says:

    Kudos for him for pushing something past a paper design and building it, but eeesh, deathtrap.

    I’ve no experience with aircraft at all, but even I wouldn’t put 8 individual small engines (carb ones at that) on a craft like that.

    If I was considering something like that, I’d go for a four prop drive train design coupled to two engines. At least then if one engine fails, you should have one more powering everything (ideally each engine is powerful enough to lift the entire thing).

    Also, cages man. cages.

  • ferdie says:

    i love that control box were you can see
    the meters are fake only the i think the kill button are have a real function the exhaust passes through a plastic cover smart idea but whit fast pitch rotor how do you control it

  • madjunk says:

    So, this must be what Woody Guthrie’s “Airline to Heaven” was referring to.

  • chuckt says:

    I have to give him credit because there was lift but I think he knows the limitation of the craft or he would have taken off and he wouldn’t have shut it off. He may have high hopes but until he takes off, it is just for show.

    He didn’t fall out and he didn’t flip over so he hasn’t done anything dangerous yet so give him credit. He is getting his 3 minutes of fame so it is just for show as far as I’m concerned.

  • Scott says:

    What a riot – you have to love what people come up with given a little extra income in a country that spews every kind of component in the world – from zip ties to silicon wrap and scooter engines – out by the shipload on the cheap.

    That used to be us…

  • George Atkinson says:

    This reminds of Paul Moller’s early skycars:
    http://www.downside.com/scams/moller/

  • TecKnight says:

    While I give this guy full props for his “inventive spirit” as it were, am I the only one that sees this and thinks of the guy that attached a bunch of helium balloons to his lawn chair and ended up at 14,000 feet in LAX airspace ?

  • Axl Laruse says:

    Most of you are just complaining.

    How about you come up with something that this guy can use to make his project work?

    There would not be airplanes if wasn’t for people like him that keep trying.

    Same thing when the Wright Brothers have to deal with, people saying that is impossible just to give a crappy opinion.

  • TheCreator says:

    imagine that frame collapsing in on it self and all blades rush in toward the operator. It would look like a seen from that movie hostel.

  • Hirudinea says:

    Ah this is just a chinese clone of the Avrocar!

    (And the sad thing is it works just as well.)

  • ChrisE99 says:

    This looks like something that would feature in ‘SAW 7′.

    I hope that the basket is Kevlar lined.

  • ChrisE99 says:

    “imagine that frame collapsing in on it self and all blades rush in toward the operator. It would look like a seen from that movie hostel.”

    That is quite probable. He just needs a hard landing on the side to buckle the frame and send the props in his general direction.

    He must weld up a second tier of braces (spokes) to hopefully avoid certain death.

  • wardy says:

    All it would take is one seagull to clip a blade and it’s not a problem of hitting the ground at high speed, but rather a matter of how many pieces you’ll be in when you do.

  • Michiel145 says:

    Nice, but that think will cost someone his leg. :o

  • Michiel145 says:

    Maybe its a idea to add servo control to the throttles and let a microcontroller with gyro control fly the thing. I think it’s to unstable to fly by hand. Time for a cheapo fly by wire system! :)

  • hacky says:

    The following will happen:
    ==========================
    Craft lands too hard,
    prop hits frame
    blade breaks off
    blade ziffs past pilot’s ear, shattering on wall
    pilot shits pants
    pilot goes back to playing with scale copters.

  • twistybits says:

    At least his hanging laundry is nice and dry.

  • roboman2444 says:

    Instead of having 8 engine with 1 prop each, why not have 4 engines with 2 variable pitch props on either side? that way, if one engine is going slower (or not at all) then it would still have a balanced thrust from either side, and with the help of the vpitch, control would be much more precise than varying throttle.

  • Urb Anwriter says:

    Well, first off, I hope many of you don’t engineer as well as you spell. Grammar, shmammar, but spelling is actually kind of basic. Second. Put a person well above the CG, well above the CP, on an inherently unstable vehicle and someone is going to hurt. That’s why we ride motorcycles. And, as a couple of people have pointed out he has, at least, built something. Whether it is safe, or sage, is irrelevant. F-104 fighters, designed by the ‘best minds of the day’ had, as I recall, a well-earned nickname; Widowmaker. This guy has a middle-school education – meaning, judging by the signs of prosperity – that he can probably calculate the odds on dying.

    And, finally, to steal the punch-line from a 1970 (?) Playboy cartoon; “isn’t time you graduated from two strokes?”

  • AndroidCat says:

    It’s not exactly a stealth craft, is it? I bet it would sound like the leaf-blower war of the gods passing over.

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