What do trail mix, astronaut ice-cream, and cryogel have in common? This may sound like the introduction to a corny riddle, but they are all things you can make in your garage with a homemade freeze dryer. [The Thought Emporium] built his own freeze dryer with minimum fuss and only a few exotic components like a vacuum pump and a high-quality pressure gauge. The video is also posted after the break which contains a list for the parts and where they can be purchased.
Freeze drying uses a process called cryodesiccation or lyophilization. Below a certain pressure, water skips the liquid phase and goes directly to a gas, so frozen items can transition from ice to dry without a soggy step. When you jump the liquid phase, objects hold their shape when they were frozen, and since no heat is used, you don’t carmelize your sugars.
A freeze-dryer like this has three parts. The first is the pump which doesn’t need any explanation. Next to the pump there must be a water trap. This chilly compartment recondenses the water vapor, so it doesn’t get inside the pump or saturate the things you’re trying to dry. Lastly, there is the drying chamber where your items are placed to have their moisture taken out.
Astronaut ice cream has been made on Hackaday before. [The Thought Emporium] has also been seen including a piece on making your own graphene.
Cool project but I suspect the fly in the ointment for most people is going to be the vacuum pump. And after watching the video, if it takes 16 hours for the process to run I suspect the dry ice bill gets expensive too. One of those things I would love to see done just because it is neat, but I don’t think I will be building my own rig soon.
Dry ice is cheap, you can often find it in grocery stores for a few dollars a pound. If your crushing it obviously its gonna sublimate off faster. But If you leave it in block form in a well insulated environment, than its going to maintain its mass fairly well.
I would say instead of using an alcohol base use acetone, as most isopropyl and denatured alcohols start to free around -50c, which then insultates itself keeping it from getting any colder. The Acetone will still a liquid till around -85c (it will slowly get conaminated with co2 and water and turn to a solid after a while if keep at these temps. But you will achieve a much lower temp and more effeicently transfer heat between the pots.
I would also recommend looking at using Neoprene as insulator as well. Closed Cell neoprene makes a great insulator for cryo materials. Its much easier to work with as well. You can always use old wetsuits too. (though i would keep that old wet suit away from the food end of things, not so tasty)
What actual purpose is dry ice sold for in grocery stores in the USA ?
I’m curious why it’s possible to buy a sack of potatoes in the same store as dry ice as if it’s a normal thing to be buying every day.
It’s not easily available here in the UK.
Likely a trip to checmical supplies company or something like that.
You can buy over the internet quite easily, shipping next day in a big ploystyrene container.
It aint cheap.
I’ve had to make a run to WalMart for dry ice when our power went out. Keeps the frozen food frozen and the refrigerator cold.
It’s used here for many reasons. Most of the time for long trips in ice chests. I have used it to make ice-cream in the past and for many many back yard experiments.
Fishermen use it to bring home their catch (United States is a huge country, takes days to get across) breast milk storage, regular food transport.
You can even bring up to 2.5 kg on airplanes (but I believe there’s a limit on how many people can bring it because if there are too many 2.5kg chunks everyone will suffocate and die).
Fishing/ hunting…… my brother and I will kayak hop barrier islands for 3/4 day trips… ice will last a day or 2 even in a yeti or high end cooler that says 5 day capable. They are 5 day capable; if never opened and nothing is ever added…… However chunks of dry ice will keep the flounder/ sea bass/ drum/ sheephead/ etc for a week. Additionally the weight of the ice chest is 1/20th with dry ice compared to 20 lbs of ice cubes. The same for hunting camps… if you plan to be in the outback for 3-5 days and fill a cooler. You want the buck or boar that you bagged on day 1 to be preserved on day 5 when you head out!
And yet it’s free if you order ice-cream from Amazon Fresh. Just ask the deliverer nicely. They throw it away anyway.
I know this is a super late reply to your question. The actual answer is “The reason dry ice was introduced to grocery stores was the methamphetamine epidemic. Mostly to relieve the farmers of crops that require the use of anhydrous ammonia the stress of having their properties destroyed, livestock released from fields, tractors and other vehicles stolen, and their family members held at gunpoint and/or sexually assaulted, all to acquire a precursor to methamphetamine. Also property owners having their air conditioner and cold chiller system’s lines emptied and destroyed during thefts, in systems that use the gas, and tankers and trucks stolen.
There’s a super simple method of making your own anhydrous ammonia at home in an hour, and that method requires dry ice. In or around the late 90’s early 2000’s they put dry ice in every Walmart across the country in one year, and almost instantly the problems associated with the theft of anhydrous ammonia disappeared from other places, and the recipe for making it at home went viral across the internet. This was a joint agreement made during a closed door meeting between the National Farmers Association(FECUA), the DEA, Walmart, and Airgas and/or Air Products after a serious incident involving a farmer’s family occurred during an AA theft, and that sent fear and shock to all Farmers. It was a win-win for everyone really.
Now a person inclined to do so can buy everything required to make AA it in two stops, Walmart and a Seed & Feed Store. It’s easy, fairly safe, and costs about $50(maybe $125 today)to make enough AA to cook meth for a year or so for the average chef. If you do purchase anything else used to make the AA besides the dry ice at Walmart and on the same trip, the system will flag you and send a silent notification to the security team, who will then transfer the details of your visit to the nearby authorities, if they choose to comply(varies by state/county). Then they start watching you, and will eventually bust your operation.
Drugs are bad, m-key? Don’t do drugs, m-kay! I speak from experience! I read everything in the last paragraph in a criminal case disclosure that may or may not have been my own case.
A repurposed refrigeration pump should be enough, it doesn’t require the hard vacuum of space.
I did a gig doing food inspection while back at school and one of my stops was Oregon Freeze Dry, huge place. I was surprised that while nearly everything starts out LN2 cryo-frozen and then conveyor lined right into the chamber or trucked in at a more normal frozen temp the chambers over time bring up the temp to sometimes 40c or more, it has been over 15 years so I can’t recall the exact vacuum readings used.
Hello, I would really appreciate if you tell me the name of all the components of this freeze dryer and where do you buy. Thank you in advance.
Freezer burn on purpose
Ben Krasnow from Applied Science has an insightful video on the topic too.
watch?v=mlywGYcY-tA (how do i post a url to a youtube video without embedding it ?)
Cryogel is a US registered trademark brand name. I think you meant Aerogel?
Cryogel is also a technical term for very light foams made using freeze drying. Aerogel typically means foams made using super critical CO2
True, Aerogel typically means foams made using super critical CO2. A fair point.
Typically when a solvent is removed by freeze drying, you create a different mixture than when you make an aerogel, which does involve super critical CO2. Unclear how the term Cryogel is also a registered US trademark at least if it is also a generic term though (though not for super critical CO2 based foams).
*shakes head*
Always a fkn snitch!
I had access to a freeze dry machine for a few years. Freeze dried watermelon was amusing. It looked and tasted like watermelon, but had the weight (and crunch) of styrofoam.
The hassle may be worth it just to try that.
Dried watermelon is a delightful oxymoron.
“I have some dehydrated water, but don’t know what to add to it.”
-Steven Wright
Try vodka or gin
Dried watermelon has no water, so it becomes just a regular melon.
The same way mathematicians got around prohibition, they just drank their root beer from a square cup.
Aeromelon?
Styromellon…
I kinda wish they had this in the supermarket, it sounds fun. Instead they have banana chips with artificial banana flavoring. o.O
Warren Buffet taught the food industry you can make a lot of money selling addictive crap at ridiculous margins. Because our regulators were asleep at the wheel, pretty soon it wasn’t competitive or profitable to make good food despite the rapid escalation of diabetes after the coke fad and its spinoff got legs. You can do the same with cocaine or heroin, although Buffet and his race-to-the-bottom bandwangon have killed and costed society far more…we lose many thousands of people and many billions each year to diabetes and its complications (blindess, amputation, kidney failure).
As a heads up for anyone who isn’t aware, don’t glue polystyrene with super glue it dissolves.
Oh and some fabrics have a tendency to spontaneously combust. Sometimes useful, not so much if you spill it on your clothes :D
I don’t understand the necessity for the water trap?
I remember some article here or perhaps popular mechanics or perhaps some diy vacuum tube builders technique for pulling a relatively strong vacuum: using a strong flexible tube and a roller, like a peristaltic pump.
So just put the object to be vacuum dried in the vessel, and use a peristaltic pump to draw out gas lowering pressure until any water starts to boil, at which point the pressure remains constant (if the vessel is in thermal equilibrium with room temperature, so having low thermal resistance between inside and outside of the vessel, say using heat pipe for room temperature), at that point you are pumping out water vapor (which will simply turn into water and heat as it leaves the pump at atmospheric pressure, preferably this heat is exchanged with the heat pipe), as soon as the pressure drops below the boiling point of water at the temperature inside the vessel you know you have extracted most water. Temperature and vacuum gauge pressure sensors for pcb mount are cheap.
You only need vacuum, but maintaining a deep vacuum is really hard. At very low pressures even small amounts of liquid become huge volumes of gas. This is overwhelming for the pump. While the pump may eventually break, even if it does not, you are unlikely to stay at the pressures you want for freeze drying.
If all you want to do is dehydrate your food, use higher temperatures and it can happen really fast (food dehydrators usually go in the oven), freeze drying is all about maintaining the item at a temperature below which it will not degrade during the process. If you want to keep your item at -20C, sublimation pressure is just 1mBar, and if you want to take the water out at any speed, you need the surrounding pressure to be around half of that, or 0.5mBar. Maintaining 0.5mBar while also trying to exhaust hundreds of liters of water vapor is difficult. If you keep a cold trap at say, -60C, the sublimation pressure is only 0.01mBar. Almost all of the water vapor will freeze back as a solid in the trap, and the pump will not have to work nearly as hard.
Thank you for the SCIENCE!
Always appreciated.
Where can I find information on freezedrying, how it works, materials needed, where to find quality pumps, maybe a pump to move water fast. Then how to put together. How to operate?
Rare occassions making an excellent food really needs to be stored for next time.
Then using food. I can’t imagine a dried cake, but maybe setting over boiling water, maybe?
Does it work for 3D printing filament?
So I stumbled across this as a random idea. Ive seen everyone having the the two hoses at the top of the condenser tank. Couldnt you have the pipe from the food tank enter the bottom or side then have the vac pump hose at the top? then in the condenser tank have a coil or conductor type sync to encourage condensation? This is to encourage the gas vapor to actually pass through something rather then having the entrance and exit so close to each other? Im not educated on this so Im just asking for ideas.
Another question would be converting a fridge compressor to a vac pump. Would the water vapor still be an issue with that device?
The water vapor would be an issue, but you can find those things pretty cheaply if not free. Where I live the city has a big trailer where people can dump scrap metal, including fridges, treadmills, microwaves, etc. that they’ll let you take whatever you want from (basically it’s a hackers dream).
I’m confused about the purpose of the water trap can some tell me why it’s needed I know it’s to keep the water vapor from supposedly ruining the vacuum pump but I’m an HVAC tech and this is what we use these pumps for to get any moisture out of the sealed refrigeration circuit especially on a water cooled system that has ruptured and let water into the coils we use these pumps to remove moisture and when the oil starts getting a little cloudy we know it’s absorbed to much moisture to work effectively anymore so we change the oil and continue the process so I’m really confused can anyone explain this to me?
I imagine the amount of water coming out of the freeze dry chamber is much greater than the tubes of a HVAC system. I think something like watermelon is around 80% water, Can you imaging with one watermelon worth of water would do to the vacuum pump oil. You’d be changing it multiple times through one cycle. Having a water trap saves ultimately saves work.
Cold Traps are used a lot in the HVAC world as well especially on Water Cooled Equipment with ruptured tubes.
I am confused why you need to replace the vacuum guage with a barb splice on the cold tank. What is the problem with using the existing fittings and smaller tubing? I live overseas and there is no such thing as “JB Weld”. In fact, I can not find any epoxy that is rated for vacuum work, so I do not have the ability to install a wider, 5/8″ hose. What are the consequences of just using the stock fittings on the cold trap?
m not understand why frozen condensation camera is required, why just single vacuum chamber not works? vapour have only one direction flow.