Electrodes turn your eyelids into 3D shutter glasses

posted Jan 16th 2011 2:00pm by
filed under: Medical hacks, video hacks

[Jonathan Post] has a way to watch 3D video without wearing shutter glasses but it might be kind of a hard product to break into the market. As you can see above, a pair of electrodes are stuck on a viewer’s eyelids, using electricity to alternately close each eye. The video after the break shows a demonstration of this technology. Obviously a camera can’t capture the image that the viewer sees, but this man describes a perfect 3D image. This reminds us of those ab exercisers that use electrodes to stimulate the muscles. Do you think a 3 hour epic would leave your eyelids tired and sore, eventually resulting and a steroid-esque muscle-ridden face?

Edit from [Caleb]: Judging from the comments, some people believe this to be an absolute impossibility. While we concur that this example is pretty silly (what’s powering those electrodes?), we invite you to watch [Daito Manabe]‘s facial electrodes fun.

[Thanks Keba]



153 Responses to Electrodes turn your eyelids into 3D shutter glasses

  • Girrrrrrr2 says:

    Yeah… I will stay with the glasses…

  • bolke says:

    As long as there is no proof, there is no product. I can stick 2 pcb’s with random components to my head and blink real fast, telling the world I’m seeing pink elephants. This is about as usefull as a post about scientology.

  • Alexand3rS says:

    If he gets them going fast enough he could make it look like his eyes are always open.

    He could be the KING of Staring Contests!

  • Sly says:

    Fake,
    60 blink per second for muscle, naaaa.

  • NegativeK says:

    Say it with me now: Satire.

  • Bob says:

    fake

    this would be incredibly painful after a couple seconds

  • Tech B. says:

    I LOLED so hard on this. I agree, sticking with the glasses.

    +1 for making my day XD.

  • lampshade says:

    It’s a joke, folks! (read: “not real”) It was funny at first, now it’s just sad to see how many people are taking this seriously.

  • Whoever says:

    LOL no doubt it works here, but that must feel funny.. And the flickering must suck :-P

    +1 “will stay with the glasses”

  • andrew says:

    I think your eye-lid muscles would become fatigued after just a few seconds. No one’s going to use this for gaming without some serious endurance training first.

  • Lame says:

    Obviously fake. Unless hackaday is trying to troll us now

  • Interesting take on a problem, but it strikes me as a really bad idea…

  • CutThroughStuffGuy says:

    This is clearly so fake it’s amazing people think otherwise.

  • Erik Johnson says:

    Hooray for early-onset cataracts!

  • acacia says:

    Wow, that looks painful

  • neorazz says:

    for m/ankind sake i hope this is fake

  • jimboa says:

    Imagine the eyelid muscles you can get with this! Iron man eyes!

  • cknopp says:

    I think its real, and when they get it using speakers for virtual surround sound it will almost complete.

    I think these are going to be the “Cell Phones” of 2020. Possibly going further than this, and using Direct Sensory Input (DSI).

    Its gonna get crazy in our lifetimes!

  • phishinphree says:

    this is obviously fake. why is it even posed here?

  • zool says:

    *sigh* why is this on here

    it’s fake

  • NatureTM says:

    Yeah, looks fake to me. I wish it wasn’t.

  • arjan says:

    I could open a shutterglass, add a little HV transformer to the wires that normally power the LCD, stick these components (that are really the size of a penny) to my head and I’d be done. What I find funny is that he turns the 2 devices on with 2 separate remotes. A high pitch sound appears and disappears after a few seconds?!?! OH, haha! now I see! after he “turns the devices off” his eyelids keep blinking! how is that! I guess he is just a blinkmaster who bet he can set-up a hoax using 2 led throwies and adhesive tape. haha. He almost got me! Too bad he forgot to stop blinking after he turned the devices off…

  • j_jwalrus says:

    because it was on engadget.

  • Alex says:

    I’m sure that would get pretty painful after a few hours.

    Also, does that guy remind anyone else of General Zod?

  • evaprototype says:

    He has an accent and speaking english he cant be fake.

  • zing says:

    Hey, you’re 2 and a half months early for April Fool’s.

  • cpdongolev says:

    a fun idea, if nothing else.

  • arjan says:

    I keep thinking about it: I bet someone could make this kind of shutter-eyelids. I’m not so good with HV, the electrode must be on the eyelid-muscle and I guess you need another electrode for closing the eyelid, but I would call this “plausible”. Fake on the vid, but possible to do. Oh, the freq might need to be tuned down a “little” I can imagine flapping and flopping sounds if I tried to tie 60Hz to my eyelids. Or maybe .00001157407 Hz to make my eyelids close automatically every night when it’s time to go to sleep? Hmm… no…not for me. I should connect that version to my little son.

  • Tokamak says:

    It is a viral campaign, not hack! -_-’

  • Justin says:

    “You have no glasses, so you can really enjoy the show!”

    Just like South Park’s “Well, it beats dealing with the airline companies!”

  • Dino says:

    Given that this IS real, repeatedly doing this would almost certainly lead to damage to the eyelid muscles.
    No thanks. I can see in 3D already, and I don’t need it on my monitor.

  • dmcbeing says:

    It was also on Gizmodo…

    As a concept it’s seems good but i hardly think its true for a few reasons:

    1:I dont think our eye lids can open and close at something near 25hz let alone 100hz which is considered the standard refresh rate noadays.

    2:Electricity has two poles and curent flows from one pole to the other.So for the eyelid to open and close the two poles should be on the sides of the eyes one on each side of the eye.

    3:Is there a single 8-DIP chip that can create electrical impulses enough to move an eyelid muscle from non existant batery , and hold together with gum?

    I doubt this is true, let alone when there is no documentation at all.

    Correction:I am certain this is fake.I hoppe HaD was joking.

  • Ben says:

    It’s a joke guys. A deadpan joke. The guy is a special effects wizard in France.

  • ohsofake says:

    I cant believe this is on here…

  • CutThroughStuffGuy says:

    HAD is posting this as if it is completely legitimate when clearly it is not.

    The only reason it seems plausible is because it is possible to incite muscle contractions with electricity but seriously people? There are multiple levels of “totally hoax” written all over this. It’s am amusing video (arguably) but for HAD to post it with the tone and credibility as if they are presenting a fact does not reflect positively on the editors.

  • ferdinand says:

    is this the russian version off 3d
    it looks or hy get a epeleptic atack or so
    this cant be good for you

  • DarkFader says:

    I hope nobody takes this serious. There’s no question about it. I’d rather see a Nintendo-On II video.

  • Matskat says:

    I never comment here but I MUST on this one.

    I’m SO surprised at all the youtube-esque “Fake!” posts…are we fucking CHILDREN HERE?

    How is is so hard to reason that with the right frequency of stimulation, that an electrode could not produce RAPID alternating blinking?

    For a bunch of hackers, I see WAY too many “This is fake!” comments.

    Hack-a-Day isn’t some fly by night site like “Break.com” or something – how is it so hard to believe that this is real?

    I certainly cannot blink THAT fast , alternating eyelids…has anyone here ever used electrodes to stimulate muscles? They can be set to VERY high rates of contraction…how is this so unbelievable?

    Just wait – 10 years from now all you guys are gonna be sitting in front of 100 inch AMOLED screens – with fucking electrodes taped to your faces, extolling the greatness of the tech – looking down your noses at the squares who still watch their 3DTVs with OMGZLOL!?! GLASSES?!?

    I’ll remember this as the day that the Break fans stumbled upon HAD….

  • dudeguy says:

    I’ve screwed around with electric muscle stimulators before and I can verify that this idea is totally plausible. If you put it to your temple it will close your eyelid. I’ve done it before. All I wanna know is how the hell are those little things being powered? The muscle stimulators I’ve used were powered by a 9v battery. Even if this is a hoax, I’m sure that the idea could actually be pulled off for real.

  • TheBadWolf says:

    Maybe it’ fake but it rises a good question:

    How about having that kind of switch just “cut” the feed of the optic nerve to the brain,no eyelid boosted muscle,no crazy blinking,just 3D from inside,would be cool.

  • fluidic says:

    This video does a great job of demonstrating that most of our technology is already in the realm of magic for most people.

  • Zibri says:

    Are you crazy to post this video without saying it’s a fake?
    The guy can’t even keep himself from laughing :D

    Come on!

  • mrasmus says:

    It’s a clever video that way too many people are falling for.

    Putting aside *everything* wrong with the technology supposedly behind it, the simple impracticality of it, the wear is would presumably put on the eyelids, and all that jazz, there’s a simple, logical way that everyone should be able to spot the fake — his claim that there’s no reduction in brightness of his vision, as though there was nothing going on in the first place (not wearing anything in front of his eyes, all that jazz). There’s a reason why a TV screen gets dimmer when you look at it through shutter lenses — because only half the emitted light is getting to your eyes. That’s the point — half the light is for your right, and half is for your left; that’s the fundamental concept of stereoscopic 3D. Same is true for polarized lenses (“passive” glasses, like in the theatres) — they block the light polarized for the other eye. It seems dimmer because it *is* dimmer. The concept of blinking really fast, in time, if it were somehow to be made possible, is just going to block your entire vision half the time. While you might get a fluid picture (thanks to Persistence of Vision (POV), which HaD has featured products about *countless* times in the past), that doesn’t mean it’ll be just as bright. It’s just like dimming an LED by flickering it really fast — it may look solid if it goes fast enough, but if it’s off half the time, it’s not going to look as bright as when it’s on all the time.

    This is just a massively successful trolling, and I wish the entire internet were in on it… but instead, people just try to avoid thinking whenever possible. Come on, guys… just… come on. You’re giving me more of a headache than that guy would’ve had, were he actually blinking that fast.

  • nodoctor says:

    Some studies of physiological side effects should be done IMO.
    Especially since I heard the guy in the picture was black and clean shaven before he turned on his contraption.

  • adhs says:

    that guy is obviously confused by 3d bullshitting and his inability to talk to women…

    “reduces crowsfeet up to 15%”

    there you go ;)

  • Hawaii00000 says:

    Absolutely no side effects!! *twitch* *spasm*

  • Davo1111 says:

    Its not practical, but AWESOME proof of concept!

    Well done to the guy, very clever.

  • haydn says:

    record a copy of his speech using a webcam.
    play it on a monitor in slow motion and copy the lip moments after the intro speech and wink a lot during the speech. Edit the audio and video to re sync, and and not to jitter your head too much (he was almost perfect by the way, hardly any jitter) post you results.

  • strider_mt2k says:

    This is sooo…differently abled.

  • Steve says:

    If you watch closely I think the video becomes more jerky when he “switches” on the eye electrodes. I am quite confident he is capable of pulling off this sort of visual effect.

    However I have seen exerciser thingys which are powered off a single button cell and these last for hours. I have also seen dog trainers which can produce ~30mm spark and will run off 2xAAAs (3V same as button cell) so I think the package size is plausible.

    I just don’t think without further documentation or proof that it is beleivable. If we see it at CES 2012 it would be cool to be proven wrong.

  • jAMES says:

    I think its social commentary, and if so its clever. He’s only slightly exaggerating the extents we go to for our gadgets.

  • iToast says:

    1. Your WAY TOOO LATE, ps geohot.com…
    2. It doesn’t go on the eyelids >_>
    3. He didn’t post how it works..

  • mikeyberman says:

    Seriously, this ain’t real. Hilarious, yes. Wonderful, yes. Suitable for hackaday? No.

  • sneakypoo says:

    The number of people falling for this makes me sad.

  • Simon says:

    The number of people falling for this makes me understand why there are so many perpetual motion machines under construction.

  • eggnoglatte says:

    Is it April 1 already? Obvious hoax is obvious.

  • haydn says:

    a blink is 1/63 second for the full motion (yahoo it). at 120 hz (as demonstrated) that just inst possible as you must be fully closed for a whole 60th second per eye at a time.

    Matskat – dont be a troll. he recorded in slow motion and speed it up.

  • Caleb Kraft says:

    I’ve updated the article. enjoy.

  • HackerK says:

    Looks fake.. Wonder what’s the power source? And why HaD now posting hoax like this? >:(

    Unless he is Geordi from the future showing a prototype of his JORDY.

  • paul says:

    even if it was real why would you want it?

  • andar_b says:

    And is it just me or does he look like the dad from Growing Pains?

  • chase says:

    So instead of having a headache i can look like a borg with down syndrome, great…

  • MrX says:

    WTF? What is this? Is HaD some sort of youtube? What a bunch of losers with the FAKE comments.

    1) To stimulate a muscle you don’t need much of a current, just the right voltage. It is entirely plausible that they are running the wireless electrodes from tiny cells.

    2) If you morons even cared to google, you would find that the electrodes are in the right spot, that is, over the orbicularis oculi muscle:
    http://www.infofisioterapi.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/M.-Occipitofrontalis.jpg

    3) He seems to have deliberately programmed the stimulation to start and stop gradually possibly to somewhat make it less aggressive.

    4) So it is perfectly plausible to have abdominal stimulation devices running from two AAA batteries but it is totally “FAKE” to stimulate the orbicularis oculi muscle? What a bunch of idiots..

    Hack-a-Day thank you for posting this. I wish that someday we will have moderation here, the comment SNR is getting very low :|

  • superkuh says:

    The eye muscles will not respond to a signal that fast. The sarcoplasmic reticulum to release calcium 2+ within the muscle tissue itself will not respond fast enough. So… bullshit.

  • MrX says:

    @Caleb Kraft

    It would be nice to include a schematic for a simple EMS in the article:
    http://electroschematics.com/2083/electronic-muscle-stimulator/

  • Belenos says:

    Entirely possible. Little freaky. Further implications lead to Body Horror:
    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BodyHorror

  • basroil says:

    As for the “what’s powering those things” comment on the main post, what powers a tiny bluetooth earpiece? Or how about hearing aids? The amount of power you need to make muscles twitch isn’t that much, just needs a way to get under the skin (conductive gel or needle), or high voltage (but very low current).

    The other issue here is that people assume that because the guy said you need a 120Hz tv that you don’t possibly have enough time. But you do. The reason for 120Hz is possibly to reduce ghosting effects, the actual 3D is probably only 30fps each side.

    Now, it could all be a hoax, but the guy would have to be pretty good with aftereffects (for eyelid motion) or very good with slowing down his speech (and good at dubbing). My bet is that it’s not a hoax (eyelid part), but that the 3D effect isn’t actually working as expected.

  • Matskat says:

    Wow….

    Just wow.

  • Drake says:

    @Caleb

    I will be opening a performance art show soon. We will be taking recent organ donors and hooking those electrode up to their faces for a distopia animatronics story

  • CutThroughStuffGuy says:

    This is like the airplane on a treadmill…

    We need the Mythbusters to put this to the test and settle this once and for all.

    Yes, you can stimulate muscles to contract with a small amount of current and the right voltage at the right point on the body. But this did not actually happen – it’s fake and I am deeply disturbed by the fact that so many otherwise intelligent people are completely falling for it.

  • RBRat3 says:

    Ive played with a muscle stimulator before and while you can send these fast pulses to your muscles I doubt the muscle would respond as fast but you could get pretty close. Id have to try it, Im alittle sketchy about the size of the stimulators hes using they seem extremely small to be real but im no expert on stimulator design. The fake comments need to stop, All this isnt out of the realm of possibility. Ohh and everyone should own a muscle stimulator their fun as hell but dont go overboard.

  • RBRat3 says:

    I also like to add to the speculation of this video being a hoax is that I see a wacom tablet on his desk so either hes drawing dirty hentai pics or hes a special FX artist. I dont think many builders/hackers own a wacom for designing due to the fact that they would have no use for the pressure sensitivity feature. Why not just use a mouse?, altho I might be way off base on this one.

  • supershwa says:

    Krafty Caleb is at it again … I certainly hope he really meant this as a joke, and didn’t fall for this one like so many others did …

  • dave dave says:

    hack a day will post ANYTHING…what’s next, some of those scary face videos people did a few years back with after effects, and the headline “DEMON POSSESION PROVEN” ???

  • markus says:

    @HaD admins-
    The trolls are killing HaD. Seriously.

    It’ll suck if I have to start relying on instructables to feed my hack cravings… .. . . .

  • haexn says:

    He uses two tv remotes to turn them on and sync them to the monitor… right lol

  • relik says:

    This has gone viral pretty fast. Both Engadget and CNET News had this posted Sunday afternoon.

  • biozz says:

    i dont think this is real … the units on his eyes do not seam large enough and trying to get them to sync just right would be a huge bother … getting my nvision kit to sync right is pain enough XD

    @markus
    agreed
    they should put some anti trolling rule

  • Wes says:

    Jesus, people. No one on the Internet knows what a joke is anymore.

  • biozz says:

    just to add on to my previous comment i think thoes things on his eyes just blink and he uses that in post to make a simulation of a rapidly blinking eye
    the beep from the remotes, slow start up, his monitor does not look like a 120 HZ monitor, his use of a tablet, no visible IR receiver on any eye thing and a few other details make this look extremely fishy to me

    despite the fact that he offers information via email no news origonations has been able to conferm this

    like i said its all very fishy … id say either not possible or not safe

  • -HMav says:

    This has to be fake. I won’t site maximum blink rates, or how this would somehow wirelessly sync for R/L frames from the tv, or how the lack of a perceived drop in brightness isn’t right (think 50% pwm on your eye). I will instead point towards how muscles react when used repeatedly and rapidly. They run out of oxygen and start working anaerobically. This causes a buildup of H+ ions which help the muscle use more oxygen but will result in a condition called acidosis if the activity is continued for extended periods. This causes PAIN. Try twitching your foot as fast as possible continuously for two hours. Perhaps if this device actually interrupted the nerve pathways from the eye to the brain and “blanked” one eye this would work, but this isn’t claimed. Polarized contact lenses would be a better alternative, with the plus that there is no HV within sticking distance of your brain.

  • Vlad says:

    @mrasmus Close one eye… does it seem half as bright? No. Although you are right about polarized 3D, your logic doesn’t carry over to this. So what Mr. Blinker says is true, there would be no reduction in brightness. Besides the damage this might cause(most likely), it seems like a solid concept. And I’ve actually played around with several different muscle stimulators… they all ran off 3v coin cells.

  • limpkin says:

    Is it me or published articles in hackaday have less quality than before?

  • markus says:

    as an addendum to my previous comment-

    My frustration with trolls is not limited to HaD. It is becoming increasingly apparent that there is an entire… ?generation? of internet users that think that this is simply the way to /be/ while commenting on the internet. Spill over from the YouTube culture I suppose. I just wish admins (not just at HaD) would be more active about this problem. Show them that actions have consequences- even in the anonymous playground that is the internet.

  • ledstart says:

    Hahahah!! Wait until they demo the xrated version..

  • Tokamak says:

    I can’t believe that HaD didn’t removed this.

  • Grant says:

    Someone please remove this major threat to the gene pool.

  • Vlad says:

    Chill out, people… was this not amusing? Why is everyone crying out against this? I lol’d good and hard on this one, so I’m glad HAD posted it… real or not, thanks for the lol’s.

  • Max says:

    Apparently, HaD adheres to the modern (and sadly all-too-popular) “We are supposed to report stuff, whether it’s true or not (and don’t even try to look it up a bit, you know, see if it sounds legit or fishy…), simply because others reported it” school of journalism – as opposed to the classic one (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journalism_ethics_and_standards#Accuracy_and_standards_for_factual_reporting)

    …A sad, sad day for HaD.

  • yep, fake. eyelids’ muscle can’t close and open at 60Hz, no way.

  • Davo1111 says:

    @elektrophreak

    did he mention 60hz? Even if it was 5 times a second, it would still be 3d (just look shit)

  • Vlad says:

    Do any of the fake callers have proof against this? Please post something solid to dispute this.

    Eye lids have incredible response time to protect your eyes from damage. It takes very little current to stimulate muscles, which a button cell could easily provide. This is definitely PLAUSIBLE. Even if it is a joke (because it is funny), the concept can still work… it doesn’t have to be just one or the other.

    @Max Get off whatever pitiful horse you’re riding. This is a sad, sad day for you. Post a link to something disputing this concept, instead of a Wikipedia article that has nothing to do with this.

  • Obaid Rahmani says:

    I’m sure this is an achievable, yet painful feat.

    For the naysayers, I’d suggest a session with their chiropractor’s TENS unit :)

    Since muscles are essentially (dare i say, designed?) to return to their normal positions, very much like springs, their contraction can be caused with an electrical pulse and the release would essentially return the muscle to its resting state.

    However, i would agree that after a few hours, the eyelids would develop biceps … or something to that effect :)

  • Haku says:

    Quick! Someone post a project so incredibly astounding (& real & not on instructables) that we forget this faux pas!

  • DevinJCan says:

    I thought this was a Joke the first time I saw it. a little research onto stereoscopy imagery (thank Jimmy Wales and Larry Sanger for Wikipedia!) and it had been verified. wow. wtF! It looks one hell of a workout for the muscles in the eyelids. people of the future will be conditioned to blink like that anytime.

  • Dirge says:

    i feel like i just walked into a hotel that’s hosting star trek and star wars or firefly conventions across the halls from each other. and i bet the nay sayers prob believe one of those shows will become a reality so y cant this mans work help as a POC. and the high pitch can be a radio frequency syncing the two stimulants to the image. Like kevin garnett anything is possible.

    and no im not trolling. just open ur eyes there might be a truth in front of you.

  • Perhaps a pair of these could be synchronized to the video and stuck beside your eyes:
    http://www.uxsight.com/product/9683/electric-shock-shocking-hand-buzzer-funny-gag-gift-prank-joke.html

    When I was a kid I attached high-voltage pulsating electrodes to my temples. Instead of blinking eyelids, I saw rainbow-colored sparkles (phosphenes).

    I used was a speaker voicecoil transformer from a vacuum tube radio, wired in reverse to act as a step-up transformer, with the primary coil in series with a buzzer and a flashlight battery. Instead of a buzzer you could use a small relay with the coil in series with its normally-closed contact.

    Of course, the current flowed between the electrodes, so it was probably stimulating the optic nerve.

    A similar technique is used to give vision to some blind people, which was good enough for one blind man to drive a car in a controlled environment:
    http://www.springerlink.com/content/v4x3814350047543/

  • ZeUs says:

    Can’t wait for the apology for this one, maybe someone’s even going to get fired!

  • fartface says:

    So this is where the lame editors from slashdot come?

    Oh come on, even an electronics N00B knows this is a joke.

  • ZeUs says:

    Or this is real and we all got doubletrolled. (It isn’t but still, wouldn’t it be hilarious :P)

    I think muscle wise we could possibly pull something like this off but it will hurt our eyes for longer periods and definitely not be more comfortable than glasses !
    this guy pulls something quit fast off with his mind instead of digital assistance: http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/Search/Details/Fastestguitar-player/111980.htm
    http://namesty.multiply.com/video/item/46

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