Mooshimeter: The ‘Why Didn’t I Think Of That’ Multimeter

Mooshi

Despite how useful multimeters are, there are a lot of limitations you just don’t think about because they’re the way electronic measurement has always been done. Want to measure voltage and current simultaneously? Better get two meters. Measuring something in a dangerous, inaccessible, or mobile place? You could rig up a camera system to show the meter’s display on a monitor, you know.

Mooshimeter is the better way of doing things. It’s a multichannel multimeter that communicates with your cell phone over a Bluetooth connection. With two channels. the Mooshimeter makes it easy to graph voltage against current to plot a beautiful IV curve on your smart phone. Being a wireless multimeter means you can stick the Mooshi inside a robot and get instantaneous feedback of how hard you’re driving your motors.

Far from being a two-trick pony, the Mooshimeter is actually a pretty good multimeter by itself. It can handle 600V and 10A with 24 bits of resolution. Here are the complete specs. The Mooshimeter is available for preorder here for $100 USD.

Comments

  1. arminb says:

    yes, yes, it’s ein Muschimeter

  2. Kerimil says:

    Interesting. Smartphones really make nice ready made UI for many projects. Does this use bluetooth 4.0 ?

    • six677 says:

      says bluetooth low energy in the FAQ so yeah

    • Often it’s the UI that increases the size and price of a device. Even if it only requires a few buttons and knobs. The laptops, tablets and smartphone have a high-resolution colored screens, touch-screen and/or buttons. Why not take advantage of these? This applies to tools, toys and gadgets.
      I already own a Saleae Logic and I’ve been waiting for a multimeter solution. It’s finally here! ;)

      • Megol says:

        For most interesting things it isn’t the interface _hardware_ that costs money. (which is the “only” advantage using a smartphone brings). There still have to be UI development where the limited and combined output and input surface can cause problems in themselves – the lack of physical feedback like from a selector switch is one example. Effectively communicating with the device can also cause problems some of which are artificial ones (mostly created by Apple for their platform).
        On the other side data logging and processing is much easier on a smartphone than in an embedded controller.

        • Greenaum says:

          The problems you mention are up to the phone manufacturer, mostly, to fix. The app writer for the interface just uses the tools he’s given.

          I could see a use for a little tablet just for controlling like this, with Bluetooth and a touch-display. Since tablets and phones exist so cheaply, there’s probably no demand for a stand-alone solution. Maybe in the near future Bluetooth will be a popular thing for instruments, with very little real display of their own. Makes sense, since displays are expensive except in the vast quantities tablet / phone makers use.

          Bluetooth offers PC connection built-in, as well as the ad-hoc use of the engineer’s mobile phone. For a permanent display, just build an Android tablet into the casing, same way Windows CE is used now (except better, of course!).

          As well as a virtual display / control set, some standard software could be written, allowing lots of kinds of analysis to be done, with any instrument following the Bluetooth Scientific Data standard, which I have just invented.

          I wonder if anyone makes an IEEE488 adaptor for Bluetooth?

          • Greenaum says:

            Just thinking more, but for things like radio work, where 2,4GHz transmitters would interfere with the measurements, you could perhaps have a fibre-optic version. Infra-redtooth.

            [crawls back to his bunker]

          • tekkieneet says:

            May be Bluetooth Serial + Serial IEEE488 adapter? Not going to be fast.
            There are a few DIY IEEE488 projects on the net, so that might be a starting point.

          • Greenaum says:

            I was kindof joking, surely nobody still uses IEEE488? Since that’s partly what this would be replacing. Maybe they do, it just seemed like something clunky and outdated in the 1980s.

        • Kerimil says:

          Best thing is that there are free and fairly easy to use tools that allow you to create android apps. Google MIT’s appinventor – contrary to what you might think you can create some fairly advanced apps with it

          Here have a look
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Pt3Jqx99pw (not reall microcontroller related – created this because I saw a similar hack based on raspberry PI here on hackaday)
          or

          I’ve made a bunch of projects that use bluetooth to interface with microcontrollers. Usually it’s a lot quicker and faster to just write an app than to wire a TFT LCD screen and add buttons to your project.

  3. Robert says:

    Do you want to know what “Mooshi” sounds like in German?

  4. Wiljan says:

    Does it have “beep” build in?

  5. Ren says:

    Okay guys, I’m no getting these MOOlti-pass, MOOshi-meter puns…

  6. rue_mohr says:

    cool. I bet the bluetooth is most of the cost, I think iphones are still ~$600, which I suppose technically makes this a $700 meter… :-) Nice its 2 channels, thats always bothered me about standard meters, and still, do ANY meters even TRY to do watts?

  7. JIm B says:

    It says it has 24b of precision, but it also has 0.5% DC and 1% AC accuracy. These don’t mesh. Perhaps it has 24b of range, but not 24b of precision.

    • John Smith says:

      Technically it can be true – precision and accuracy are two very, very different quantities. One is effectively the number of digits you can display, and the other is how close you are to the actual value you’re measuring.

      In a practical view, you’re right that there’s a problem with the description.

      • F says:

        There is no problem with the description, it is accurate and clear. If you don’t know the difference between precision and accuracy, it is not the job of the specifications to educate you.

        • JIm B says:

          If you were trying to be a condescending twat, you succeeded.

          If I had a carbon resistor and said it was 1011.2345667738943434 ohms, plus or minus three percent, you’d be OK with that because accuracy and precision are two very different things. Got it.

          • Rob says:

            That would be quite the swing (+/- 303.37 ohms), but thank goodness you at least have the precision to solidify the uncertainty!!!

          • Imon Fyre says:

            @ Rob,

            that would be +/-30.337 ohms. You were off by an order of magnitude on your percentage calculation.

          • Dax says:

            Accuracy doesn’t mean the precision below n% is “wasted”, rather it means that the calibration or stability of the measuring device over e.g. varying temperatures is guaranteed to within a certain range. You can still make relative measurements with precision – you’re just not so sure about the absolute value you’re getting.

            In other words, if you measure a 1011.12 Ohm resistor and a 1011.90 Ohm resistor, the two figures are comparable to within your measurement precision even though both measurements may be 3% off, because they’re both 3% off the same way since the meter doesn’t change between the measurements. If you had used two different meters or the same meter at two different times and places to measure them without correlating the meter readings, then you’d lose precision with accuracy.

            That’s called systematic error, an is taught in high school physics when they tell you about how to measure stuff and carry the error into your results.

          • Greenaum says:

            You couldn’t really meaningfully say that. Any digits beyond the accurately measurable ones are meaningless. You’d be daft to write them down or give them to someone.

            Is that the different between accuracy and precision? Cos that’s just false precision. Which really isn’t precision at all.

        • tekkieneet says:

          I haven’t seen my ho, Fluke or Beckman DMM manuals stated it very
          differently either. On the other hand, they at least have the decency to
          match the accuracy to their resolution.

          You are essentially buying an DMM without even a complementary factory
          calibration for this $100 price.

          • tekkieneet says:

            ooops. hp DMM. :P

          • Greenaum says:

            The site mentions they’re going to sort out factory calibration. Or you could do it yourself if you had the equipment (really good 2V voltage source usually).

            Site mentions, right at the top

            “The accuracies and tolerances listed here are preliminary and conservative. They do not include temperature compensation or factory calibration.”

            It’s only a prototype so far, or perhaps an alpha test. You don’t have to buy it yet, and indeed, you can’t.

          • tekkieneet says:

            You’ll need more than just a 2V source unless they are using very good
            laser trimmed resistor voltage divider networks with multiple tabs for
            the different ranges. You would also need a calibrated current source.

            There is no Kelvin (4-wire) resistance measurement for resistance
            measurement, so that limits low range accuracy.

            BTW when I talk about calibration I mean calibration with traceable to a
            standard.

    • tekkieneet says:

      That accuracy is on par with a sub $20 DMM, but not a $100 one. Seems
      like such a waste to have so many digits after the decimal points that
      are not to be taken seriously. BTW the extra digits even on a good DMM
      jumps up/down, so there is a upper limit on how many digits you can use.

      You would have thought that measuring frequency better than 1% is one of
      the things that even a $1.5 AVR chip can do with a regular crystal.

      It *could* be calibrated in theory and ultimately to the tempco and
      stability of the components. After all, software can correct the readings
      and even tell you the error ranges once you know the offset and gain.

      Unfortunately most people don’t have the suitable standards to calibrate
      it nor it seems that the people making it has that in mind.

      • Dax says:

        ” BTW the extra digits even on a good DMM
        jumps up/down, so there is a upper limit on how many digits you can use.”

        That depends on your integration time and how much noise you’re getting. With long integration times, you can get down to arbitrary precision – the only problem is that you get a time average of the signal that won’t tell you much about what’s really happnening, so it’s only useful for measuring very precise DC levels for something like biasing an amplifier or measuring a precision resistor.

      • Where do you get your $100 DMMs? I find that $100 DMMs have 1% / 0.5% accuracy at best. (% varies by parameter – 0.5% DC, 1% AC typically). To get much better you’re looking at $300 or so. This looks like 2 meters for the price of one to me (though lacking in some features I’d expect of even a cheap meter).

    • Merlin says:

      Range is the upper and lower bounds of the measurement capabilities. My arduino has a range of 0 to 5 volts and has 8 bits of precision, If I swapped the chip out, I could get 2, 4, 12,16, or even 24 bit precision and yet still maintain the 0-5v range. The provided details do “mesh” even if the terminology is confusing. This is what homework is for.

      Just to recap:
      Precision = number of significant figures or decimal places, AKA resolution
      Accuracy = how close you can get to the median value in a dataset
      Range = difference between min and max, usually starting at 0

      • mstone says:

        Slight disagreement:

        Resolution describes a device’s output. It’s the smallest measurement you can take from the instrument repeatably. A DRO with 4 digits past the decimal point has finer resolution than a DRO with 2 digits past the decimal, which has finer resolution than an analog needle whose scale is divided into tenths.

        Precision describes how tightly the readings you take cluster together. Let’s say we measure the same reference value ten times with each of the three instruments above and take the standard deviations of the three sequences. If the 4-digit DRO’s standard deviation is 0.5 and the analog needle’s standard deviation is 0.025, the analog needle is more precise than the DRO.

        Accuracy describes how well the limiting mean value of a series of measurements from an instrument will match the established value of a reference standard. Assume that in the example above we measured a standards-grade 10v Johnson cell, the average of the 4-digit DRO’s readings came out as 9.995v, and the average of the analog needle’s readings came out as 9.97v. The DRO is arguably more accurate than the analog needle, in spite of having less precision.

        Conclusions:

        – Resolution beyond a device’s precision is a waste of space. 3.141592653589793 (footnote: +/-5%) is pure marketing wank.

        – You can get good measurements from a device with good precision and a good calibration history even if the device isn’t particularly accurate. The measurements you take will contain an error, but the calibration history allows you to quantify that error.

        – An accurate device will give you better values than a precise one over the long run, but you have to compare the relative accuracies and relative precisions to decide how many measurements you need to take before you can trust the accurate one more than the precise one.

        – A calibrated, precise instrument allows you to have the most confidence in the accuracy of a single reading.

  8. Nikola says:

    Whyyyyyy just when i think of something and too lazy to bring that idea to life,somebody makes it :D xD **next thing on my mind will probably be a laser gun star wars thing

  9. franklyn says:

    I’ll wait for dave’s tear down on EEVlog

    • Sheldon says:

      Thanks to Dave’s informative teardowns & demos, I’ve been eyeing up buying the same(-ish) bluetooth Agilent multimeter that he often uses, which is very similar (in basic function) to this box. While I don’t have a specific use-case, I like the idea of having data-logging & remote viewing on a cheapish tablet (i.e. N7).

  10. pcf11 says:

    I think I’ll just stick to regular multimeters.

  11. Steve says:

    So this is just an ad? No schematics – just a link to buy?

    • F says:

      they don’t come to your house and give you personalized instruction either

      • Dax says:

        Well, it leaves a lot of questions open, like how are the current/voltage measurement channels isolated from each other, or can you cause an accidental short, or a high voltage leak by measuring one thing with one and another thing with the other.

        Seems to me for starters, that both channels share the same ground because there’s only one hole for it.

        • mikes electric stuff says:

          Obviosuly they’re not isolated – when measuring V/I on a single supply they’d rarely need to be. If you want isolated, just buy 2 of them!
          Would be nice to have an efficiency display mode with 2 units measuriong input and output of a PSU or DC/DC converter

          • F says:

            that’s a software project

          • Eric says:

            I love that idea!
            One of the things I’ve been wrestling with is how to provide a good multi-mooshimeter experience on such a small screen. Specific use cases like these are great.

          • Dax says:

            Well obviously they should be isolated if you’re intending to be measuring two things at the same time, because you’re not always measuring the current and voltage of a single component. That’d be rather pointless because usually you only need to know one thing, like the voltage of a capacitor, or current through a resistor, and you know the other automatically.

            You often need to stick your leads in two places because you’re interested in e.g. battery voltage and amplifier output current, which means you have to stick your ground lead to the battery ground and the output stage, tying the two together and causing noise and stray currents to travel from one to the other through your meter.

          • Greenaum says:

            Actually buying 2 is a good idea, if you had a complicated project, you could connect a few of these all over the place, and inside things. Could maybe be a bit cheaper, depending on who you are and what your projects were. But you can’t do much better for isolation between channels than completely separate sensors.

  12. zac hulme says:

    iPhone only? I thought nerds preferred Android….

    • yankleshark says:

      From the FAQ:

      “From Apple, we support iOS 6 and 7 devices that are Bluetooth Low Energy enabled. Currently, this includes iPhone 4S and later, iPad 3, iPod Touch 5, and iPad Mini.

      For Android we support 4.3 and later with native BLE support.

      We will offer limited support for desktop linux at launch – API only.

      We do not intend to support BlackBerry or Windows Phone at launch.”

      • Greenaum says:

        Shame there isn’t a fallback Bluetooth 2.0 (or 2.1) mode. But AIUI the two Bluetooth standards, BLE and normal, are completely unrelated except in name, so he’d need to implement both separately.

        I wonder if they make BLE 2.0 adaptors?

  13. fartface says:

    http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/bluetooth-multimeter-p-1535.html
    No not wide range and multiple, but significantly cheaper.

  14. F says:

    The plastic shield around the voltage connector is a nice touch, just like my ancient fluke DVM.

    Bluetooth is just what the doctor ordered for electrical isolation. Make sure the fuse is easily replaceable! I used to blow the fuse on my fluke all the time, testing the current draw of my appliances.

    Would it pass UL? It looks good!

  15. Torque says:

    Had me interested until I read the pricetag.

    100$, ouch…

    I’ll be patiently waiting for a more sensibly priced version.

  16. KleenexCommando says:

    I have a few remote reading fluke meters at work, they can be used a regular meter, which is nice as everything is always together and when I need to do a floating reading at high voltage, I just pop the display off. They can’t do dual readings at the same time without using more than one of them and the battery life isn’t all that great. An improvement with this mooshie meter I guess, but not really a “new” idea at all. The extra measurments you can do is where this shines.

  17. icanhazadd says:

    I like the plastic blast shields, but don’t see any isolation slots cut in the board. Will wait for Dave Jones to not turn it on, but take it apart.

  18. a WizardHobo says:

    Won’t you run into Heisenberg uncertainty when measuring current _and_ voltage simultaneously?

  19. 24 bits of resolution! O_o Am I out of touch or does that sound absolutely huge for a multimeter?

    • David says:

      24 bits resolution is what you get from a $5 sigma-delta ADC these days. It doesn’t really save money to reduce it.

      (And the product seems fine, but way overpriced. You pay more, and get less (no display).)

      • Overpriced? *laughs*

        An industrial product with a company that will still exist in a few years, and is actually FCC certified, is generally priced at (cost of components) * 10. At higher volume you might get x5. This does not look like even x5 to me, you’re getting a deal because it’s crowdfunded.

        Just the FCC cert on something like this is $8000 – $11000 depending on design. Molds for the plastic housing are …widely variable, but probably around $6000 – $8000 if they go cheap, possibly a good deal more. The Chinese manufacturers often do FCC certification by printing a label that says “FCC” and putting it on the product….or they don’t bother even to do that.

        A single-channel Extech of similar accuracy & range is about $100, so $200 to do what this can, minus the logging and isolation and X-Y capability, and with a sampling rate of (human recording speed) or maybe a couple of samples per second if you point a camera at them. To be fair, the Extechs could also do resistance etc., you would need an external supply to do that with this guy. You generally don’t need to measure resistance dynamically as often as you’d want to measure current and voltage. If you do, measuring current and voltage at the right spot gets you resistance, most likely.

        Every professional hardware design engineer I’ve shown this to wants one, and thinks this is cheap/reasonable. Sample size of 4. :-P

  20. Fallen says:

    It looked great up until the 4kHz analog bandwidth. I know this is a multimeter, not an oscilloscope. But at the same time it would have been nice if I could use this to measure voltage and current all the way up to say 20kHz, for audio frequency applications.

  21. For me this is nothing more than a toy.
    if it could do real cat 6 true RMS I would be a little more interested.
    But it not being able to handle 480V AC is a no go.

    Now this caught my attention
    http://www.redfishinstruments.com

  22. bryan says:

    for calibration, you can buy (for a pretty low price, given what it is) this: voltagestandard.com (a few boxes there that are calibrated using a very high end meter).

  23. Martin Jensen says:

    I saw a similar project at Makers Faire in New York last september, http://makezine.com/2013/09/21/voltset-the-earths-smartest-multimeter/
    so I guess we are going to see lots of these ideas coming our way eventually

  24. Ivan Veloz says:

    The ohms and the common terminal should be swapped for convenience. You can’t measure volts with a 0.75″ dual banana plug on this one. That is essential as all BNC to banana adapters are made that way as well as any other custom probing solution one could come up with. Amps are never spaced at 0.75″. Most of the time multimeters are arranged like this:
    A mA COM V/R

    or

    A V/R
    mA COM

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