Well, it looks like those fetus fields from The Matrix (1999) just became a little bit more plausible. Although people-growing is probably a long way off, mice can now mostly develop inside an artificial uterus (try private window if you hit a paywall) thanks to a breakthrough in developmental biology. So far, the mice can only be kept alive halfway through gestation. There’s a point at which the nutrient formula provided to them isn’t enough, and they need a blood supply to continue growing. That’s the next goal. For now, let’s talk about that mechanical womb setup.
Carousel of Care
The mechanical womb was developed to better understand how various factors such as gene mutations, nutrients, and environmental conditions affect murine fetuses in development. Why do miscarriages occur, and why do fertilized eggs fail to implant in the first place? How exactly does an egg explode into 40 trillion cells when things do work out? This see-through uterus ought to reveal a few more of nature’s gestational secrets.
Dr. Jacob Hanna of Israel’s Weizmann Institute spent seven years building the two-part system of incubators, nutrients, and ventilation. Each mouse embryo floats in a glass jar, suspended in a concoction of liquid nutrients. A carousel of jars slowly spins around night and day to keep the embryos from attaching to the sides of the jars and dying. Along with the nutrient fluid, the mice receive a carefully-controlled mixture of oxygen and carbon dioxide from the ventilation machine. Dr. Hanna and his team have grown over 1,000 embryos this way.
Full gestation in mice takes about 20 days. As outlined in the paper published in Nature, Dr. Hanna and team removed mouse embryos at day five of gestation and were able to grow them for six more days in the artificial wombs. When compared with uterus-grown mice on day eleven, their sizes and weights were identical. According to an interview after the paper was published, the team have already gone even further, removing embryos right after fertilization on day zero, and growing them for eleven days inside the mechanical womb. The next step is figuring out how to provide an artificial blood supply, or a more advanced system of nutrients that will let the embryos grow until they become mice.
Here’s the most interesting part: the team doesn’t necessarily have to disrupt live gestation to get their embryos. New techniques allow embryos to be created from murine connective tissue cells called fibroblasts without needing fertilized eggs. Between this development and Dr. Hanna’s carousel of care, there would no longer be a need to fertilize eggs merely to destroy them later.
It’s easy to say that any and all animal testing is unethical because we can’t exactly get their consent (not that we would necessarily ask for it). At the same time, it’s true that we learn a lot from testing on animals first. Our lust for improved survival is at odds with our general empathy, and survival tends to win out on a long enough timeline. A bunch of people die every year waiting for organ transplants, and scientists are already growing pigs for that express purpose. And unlocking more mysteries of the gestation process make make surrogate pregnancies possible for more animals in the frozen zoo.
In slightly more unnerving news, some have recently created embryos that are part human and part monkey for the same reason. Maybe this is how we get to planet of the apes.
40 thoughts on “Mice Develop Inside An Artificial Womb”
Long term human hibernation for interstellar travel is currently impossible but keeping embryos on ice and gestating them artificially is increasingly possible.
Perhaps interesting ethics there. The transition between a frozen egg and a newborn presumably is also non person to person. Can frozen eggs take more risks than hatched people?
Don’t think Q would be very entertained by frozen eggs though.
Even further down the ethical rabbit hole. Imagine being born and growing up to find out that you are on a (maybe) suicide mission to another planet. What would you be told as you grew about the past of the human race, if anything?
There won’t be anyone around to help them decide to be a he, she, they, them, or an it….
Expect there will be crazy robots by then. Perhaps like Gir from Invader Zim. A great role model :)
In every large city, thousands of fertilized eggs get flushed or thrown in the trash every day, so we’re way past that ethics threshold. Same with frozen embryos in IVF centers, although at a much lower rate. Still, most societies have decided it is acceptable as they are not yet “people”. Something important to keep in mind with these questions is that the distinct person exists in the brain and quite honestly, human brains are still heavily pruning connections at birth. The signal paths are not yet structured. Although we like to imbue our newborns with things like recognition & organized thought (I did, and would again), the science is clear that they do not yet have organized, structured signals in their brains yet. It’s easily fully distinct enough to not have to worry about the sometimes presented pseudo-slippery slope of, “what about people with [insert developmental disability here]”.
hope they remember where they came from when they arrive at their destination
I thought mouses were developed in Doug Englebart’s lab.
I thought it was the other way around and the mice built the earth for their lab.
Mice built Chia Earth.
They had the earth built as a computer to find out what the ultimate question was. Since they already had found out the answer was 42
Mices meeses mouses mooses
“In slightly more unnerving news, some have recently created embryos that are part human and part monkey for the same reason. ”
New meaning to the idiom,”well I’ll be a monkey’s uncle”.
“life uuh, finds a way”
Well, if you go back enough generational steps, you are some monkey’s (very distant) uncle, and some monkey is yours.
i dont think you’ll find really anyone in these circles who really outright objects to this project, this requires less of the cold calculated decision making not accustom to our lot. most of us (probably) see this as a crucial component in our evolution as a species
Didn’t someone make a song about that way of thinking?
“We do what we must because we can. For the good of all of us…”
Still Alive – Ending song of the game Portal
But I guess you knew that :)
I’m just guessing, but perhaps Hackaday readership might be a little more diverse than we imagine.
Anyone else getting SMAC Cloning Vat vibes?
“We shall take only the greatest minds, the finest soldiers, the most faithful servants. We shall multiply them a thousandfold and release them to usher in a new era of glory.”
— Col. Corazon Santiago, “The Council of War”
Oh, look! A womb with a view!
Sorry, I couldn’t resist. 😁
I almost called it a see-through-terus.
“Japanese pioneers raise kid in rubber womb” New Scientist 25 April 1992
No not that sort of kid, they mean a baby goat.
That article leaves me with a couple of questions. Did the goat recover and develop normally? And where did they source the fetal blood and amniotic proteins? Not very workable if they have to be sourced in the normal way.
Then, it was 19 years ago, did they make further progress?
Not sure where it went, you could use a research search engine to see what the original authors of the work have done since I guess. I’ve not bothered to look into it further myself.
If I recall correct, the original work was like from even further back in time, like the 50’s or 60’s in Sweden. Reminds me a neural link… like that’s new… not…, when in reality that’s old tech from Delgado’s work in the 50’s and 60’s.
As an older but still practicing OB/GYN, I find the prospect of an artificial human uterus strange (for lack of a better word) but an inevitable outcome of need and science once we get past a number of obstacles, not the least of which are ethics.
“… how we get to the planet of the apes” – It’s always human see….. human do”
Well no one’s going to make a monkey out of us…oh wait.
Hackaday Challenge just got harder – Grow your own spock.!
>It’s easy to say that any and all animal testing is unethical because we can’t exactly get their consent (not that we would necessarily ask for it).
One does not need the consent of a mind that does not exist. It would be impossible anyhow, and the ethical problem here is completely made up.
The thing is, people like to assume that all living creatures have a “soul”, for lack of a better definition, because we apply the same superstition even to inanimate objects like rocks or the wind. That’s why we invent spirits and ghosts as well – we project our own intentions and consciousness onto other things in attempts to make sense of their behavior. In doing so we tend to project that an insect or a mouse also has a mind such as our own, completely regardless, so we place our empathy on an imagination.
So basically, arguments like, “It’s unethical to eat meat and test drugs on animals”, are in a sense just variants of, “It’s sacrilege to enter the shrine without washing your feet first”.
One may understand why it is so in some particular case, such as, you don’t want dirt on a very fine expensive rug around the shrine so you invent the rule that it’s offensive to God to soil it, or you may argue that it’s unethical to eat a gorilla because it is so like us that it can communicate and express thoughts, but making the same arguments categorically is just magical thinking.
I think that word doesn’t mean what you think it means.
I can only imagine the Judge Judy and talk show episodes of the future… “how did he/she get those cells again to reproduce the children?”
No need to develop mice in wombs with a view – they are currently breeding naturally faster than they can be killed in western NSW at the moment
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“It’s easy to say that any and all animal testing is unethical because we can’t exactly get their consent (not that we would necessarily ask for it).” Out of curiosity, where is the ethical issue, and does that same ethical premise extend to ticks and flies?
It might be considered unethical to needlessly cause pain and suffering, sure, but I would be curious to hear about your memories of developing in the womb. Further, it seems odd to argue for ethics for animals, unless you are making sure (as a ratio at least) that you are taking care of feeding, clothing, and sheltering suffering humans (a being that shares your form, and an ability to communicate pain and experiences that can be very beneficial to your own survival) first.
Thus, if you’ve a population of 300,000,000 people, and you’ve 1% of them starving, 3% wearing insufficient clothing, and 5% without shelter, you should make sure that you are covering a sound percentage of those issues first. Only then should you feign to pretend ethics regarding animals used for legitimate science, are actually worth concerning yourself.
If 1% is 3,000,000 people, leaving 297,000,000 as those who are not starving, and there are three meals a day then that should be covered by that remaining 297 million, the bare minimum for food concerns should be 1.01% of a given day’s meals. With 365 days in a year, you then should be covering about 3.7 (rounded up) whole meals for the hungry in any given year. If everyone donated 3.7 meals (technically supplies to make meals) every year from the 297 million, so long as the correct amounts of food make it to the various distribution sites, no one starves. The same kind of math can be done for clothing and housing issues, and will similarly give you surprisingly little to actually provide….
The last potential ethical concern involving animals, you generally already do involving people (not unnecessarily inflicting physical — or mental, since the use of choice words in people can cause pain where it generally is benign in animals). Funny enough, if someone curses you out in a different language than your own (as is seen in movies) unless you know what they are saying, it appears 100% benign, and since animals don’t speak any human languages….
Generally, with that small portion in food, clothing, and shelter, as well as not causing humans physical or mental duress, you Then have a podium from which to complain about animal rights and ethics. Without first addressing those issues, ethically speaking, you’ve your math all wrong — doing division before exponents, and addition outside of brackets before anything else. Legitimately, all you have to do is cover those meals (personally) for you, and any children who cannot do it for themselves you have (say a family of three in a husband, wife, and child 11.1 meals), the clothing, and the shelter, and ethically you’ve a place from which to concern yourself with about animal ethics. If you don’t do the bare minimum for people, ethically, how do you have any ability to supposedly stand up for animals?
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