Demystifying camcorder CRT viewfinders

Every smartphone (and most dumb phones) has a video camera built into it these days. Some of them are even capable of recording respectable HD video. So we’d bet that the decades old camcorder you’ve got kicking around isn’t getting any use at all anymore. [John] wants to encourage you to hack that hardware. He published a post showing just how easy it is to salvage and use a camcorder CRT.

The gist is that you simply need to hook up power and feed it video. The board that is attached to the CRT has its own voltage hardware to drive the tube. He demonstrates a 9V battery as a power supply, but also mentions that it should be pretty easy to power the thing from a USB port. As for video, all it takes is a composite signal. Of course you’ve got to determine the pinout for your particular CRT module. The method he chose was to use a continuity tester to find the path from a capacitor’s negative leg to the appropriate pin header. Next he used a bench supply to inject a current-limited low voltage until he saw response when probing the pins. Finding the composite-in is a similar trial and error process.

So what can you use this for? Why not make it the display for a simple video game?

Comments

  1. macona says:

    I had one I was going to use with one of the gameduino boards, but I accidentally fried the crt board when I shorted something . Oops!

    Sometimes you can find the pinouts for the viewfinder connectors online.

  2. dALE says:

    Talk about good articles today.

  3. Sprite_tm says:

    What I do is look up the chip that’s on the board: most viewfinders use a more-or-less well-documented integrated viewfinder chip. Trace out the pins of that to the header, and you should be in business.

  4. masterfoxxhu says:

    Perfect for RapberryPI :D

  5. FrankenPC says:

    Hard part’s finding a color CRT viewfinder. When they went color they went LCD for the most part.

    • nes says:

      Color CRT is not really battery friendly technology. The shadow mask means much higher anode voltage and higher currents are required. Plus color decoding circuitry, convergence controls and three copies of the grid amp circuit. Even the very first color pocket TVs were LCD, when the monochrome equivalents were still using CRTs.

  6. LO-TEK says:

    I have made night vision with this and the lens from old camera. I swapped original CCD with insides of a CMOS pinhole cam module and added few IR leds and CDRW laser for use when zoomed at about 50 meters (yards). I plan to use one of the LCD viewfinders for glasses-display.

  7. smithjj says:

    You could combine two of these to make a 3D display, right?

    3D televisions send two different pictures to your eyes, typically at a slightly different angle to give the sense of depth.

    You could do something similar and make a kind of kludgey head-mounted display. Probably tricky to do very well, and in my experience the viewfinders in camcorders provide a poor picture. But it might be neat.

  8. Hirudinea says:

    Amazing what went into camcorders in the old days, anyway I could see building this into an HDTV converter box, just for the hell of it.

  9. CrossDraw says:

    baby sized crt clock – or better yet wrist watch :P

  10. fartface says:

    Wow CRT… Most I find are tiny LCD’s… I’d rather figure out the LCD’s as they are color.

  11. TINY (retro)OSCILLOSCOPE!

  12. matguy says:

    I remember doing this in High School with the CRT out of an otherwise broken camcorder. Used a 9v like this one, worked great. Played Super Mario Bros. on it, but that was back when I could focus that close. That was almost 20 years ago, now.

  13. Kaj says:

    These things are great – I have one in my desk drawer. I was lucky enough to find one in a camcorder that, while borked, still powered the display on.

    5V Supply, “active” line pulled high, GND, and Composite in.

    One of these days, I’m gonna find a decent IR sensitive camera and make myself a night vision system.

  14. adcurtin says:

    Mine runs on 5V, so be careful just hooking 9V up to them. That’s 5V measure as originally provided by the camcorder (which still works, just without a viewfinder now). This was a newer one however, it’s a hi8 camcorder, and reasonably small.

    I actually have a 5V regulator on mine, so I can use a 9V to power it (super inefficient, I know, I have another power connector too).

    The viewfinder I have from a VHS camcorder I can’t get to work, but I took that apart when I was like 13, so I might’ve done something stupid, I don’t remember. If I remember correctly, the viewfinder was flaky when the camcorder still worked, but when I took it apart, the VHS part was really messed up.

  15. celebraces says:

    This + Wiimote = Games with zoom viewfinder. Awesome.

  16. Bob says:

    “Some of them are even capable of recording respectable HD video. So we’d bet that the decades old camcorder you’ve got kicking around isn’t getting any use at all anymore.”

    Non-sequitur.

  17. Sven says:

    I did this as well, found a camcorder that had been dropped, most of the mechanical parts had seized up but the electronics were fine.

    It took me an hour to figure out the signaling though, i had one typical composite signal, and one very strange signal that synced with the horizontal sync. It turned out the second signal was interference from the tube driver and i was measuring the unconnected pin to drive the REC-LED in the viewfinder housing. Mine also ran on 5V.

  18. Sven says:

    The worst part with LCD viewfinders isn’t that they are low resolution, low brightness washed out colors. It’s that they have skipped the composite video step in most cameras. It is cheaper to build the LCD line driver circuitry on the main board and just feed the LCD parallel or series data, often using proprietary protocols.

  19. Ren says:

    A lot of 8mm camcorders died of bad capacitors, not sure if the bad caps were in the viewfinder section, but sometimes you can find those camcorders for a low price at 2nd hand stores.

  20. Doktor Jeep says:

    There was a post a long time ago detailing how to use these as viewers for improvised night vision devices.

  21. Edde says:

    I have an old Minolta 8mm camcorders. The last time I tried it the view finder had a rolling picture.

    Is that something I can fix easily – would extract the CRT from the camcorder to run as a standalone project.

  22. Kevin Keith says:

    I’d love to recreate the computer displays from “Brazil” with one of these. All you’d need to do is mount one of those plastic fresnel lens sheets at the right distance from the little tube.

    Here’s a picture from the movie: http://i.imgur.com/I2MNX.jpg

  23. David Wordsworth says:

    Took a while to sort out the four wires to the CRT, 7 to 9 volts seems to work well and built a N Gauge cinema for my layout driven by composite video from a DVD Player. Looks good playing films in black an white, you can even make out the subtitles.

  24. eslighton says:

    I get a nice picture when coupling through a capacitor, but the screen rolls up 1 or 2 times a second like an old TV with a “vertical hold” problem. Could this be a problem with NTSC vs PAL? The recorder was from USA and video signal from a camera bought in Asia. Alternatively, is this something I can adjust?

    • David Wordsworth says:

      Most circuit boards have 3 adjustable preset pots that adjust the height, width and the horizontal hold to steady the picture. I used a eyepiece monitor and circuit board from a Panasonic M14 VHS Video camera. Hope this is of some help.

      • eslighton says:

        Yes, the board has 3 pots… I tried the one that looked accessible but got no joy. Will try the difficult ones later. Also I looked up the controller IC “BA7149f” and it has a note to use a smaller resistor on one pin in PAL systems… That will be a real test of soldering skills as the board has tiny SMD parts.

        • David Wordsworth says:

          Just a thought, you could try and tack a higher value resistor across the existing one to obtain the value required using the principle of resistors in parallel. Good luck

          • eslighton says:

            Thanks for the good thought… sadly I mis-wrote… PAL actually requires a higher resistor.

  25. Patrick Hansen says:

    Just managed to get my hands on an old busted video camera at the 2nd hand store i volunteer at, managed to get the viewfinder out and got it running on usb power and a composite input :).

    still, had 5 wires going to the viewfinder pcb, no idea what the last 2 does yet, will have to investigate further.

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