Hackit: Netbook haters?

posted Nov 30th 2008 9:17pm by
filed under: HackIt, laptops hacks, netbook hacks

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Gadget blogs have been a fluster the last day about TechCrunch stating that netbooks “just aren’t good enough“. Writing a response post hasn’t proven very hard given the number of factual errors in the original. Boing Boing Gadgets points out that the low-end of the spectrum that TC post seems to cover are almost impossible to purchase because they’re so outdated. Liliputing rightly states that comparing the browsing experience to the iPhone isn’t worthwhile since it’s entirely a software problem. Laptop goes so far as to recommend the HP Mini 1000 and Samsung NC10 specifically for their keyboard. TechCrunch isn’t alone in their opinion; this week Intel stated that using the ultra portable devices was “fine for an hour“. TechCrunch is designing a web tablet right now using the collective wisdom of blog commenters. Looks like they’re just reboxing a netbook for the prototype.

We cover the netbook market for different reasons than most: Their low low price makes people much more willing to hack on the device. For the price of a smartphone, you’re getting a fully capable laptop. The low performance doesn’t matter as much since we’re running different flavors of Linux that are much lighter than Windows. People running OSX86 are doing it to address a market that Apple doesn’t.

What’s your experience with netbooks? Do you have one that you adore or are you annoyed by their shortcomings? Models we’ve covered in the past include the Acer Aspire One, Asus Eee PC, Dell Mini 9, and MSI Wind.

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91 Responses to Hackit: Netbook haters?

  • Jon says:

    I own a One-Laptop-Per-Child laptop. Linux is weird.

  • Edward Nardella says:

    I have an Acer Aspire One with 1GB ram 120GB hdd 1.6GHz Atom and a 6 cell battery.

    Perfect for browsing the web and chatting in IM.

    But for pretty much anything else it is useless. Not all 720P videos play on it, gaming anything more resent than about 10 years is often a bad idea.

    I wish the keyboard layout were a bit more thought out and that there was a nice n easy way to scroll.

  • thirdtruck says:

    I finally buckled down and bought one a month ago in anticipation of NaNoWriMo (nanowrimo.org). I certainly wouldn’t have successfully finished my 50,000 word novel in time any other way.

  • jovial_cynic says:

    I just picked up the 120gb Acer Aspire One with Windows XP. I’ve owned many PDAs and many laptops, and have always gotten frustrated with the lack of capability of the PDAs (and lack of useful keyboard), but have always hated the size of laptops.

    The Acer netbook has been perfect for me, although the 3-cell battery’s lifespan is a little frustrating. The size is perfect for what I do, and running all of the apps I use on my desktop XP machine is very convenient. So far, I’m in love with the machine, and plan on picking up a larger capacity battery in the near future.

  • Dave says:

    I own a Dell Mini 9 and it’s perfect. i’m always on the road and a full size laptop was just to cumbersome. The BEST part is the battery life and the fact it has NO moving parts, not even a fan! Performance is great for doing almost anything but gaming or video editing but most laptops aren’t good for that either.

    Another thing to remember is we got along just fine on our 500mhz p3′s running xp ;)

  • Vrogy says:

    techcrunch trolling? Say it ain’t so!

  • ryan says:

    although it isn’t really a ‘normal’ netbook, i also have a olpc xo laptop, and i must say i really like it. it’s not the most powerful thing in the world, but it’s a lot more portable than my 17-inch notebook (it even has a handle!), and internet browsing is easy enough on it’s high-resolution screen. i wouldn’t consider a netbook by any means to be a replacement for a full-featured notebook, but netbooks are cheap enough now that there’s really no reason not to have both.

  • K1ngfunK says:

    I owned an original 4gb 7″ Asus Eee from January to July of ’08. I used it during my spring semester of school for taking notes and mostly staying connected to the web while on campus (under the wifi blanked) without lugging around my 14.1″ HP. Sure, 14.1″ is on the smaller side for a laptop, but the Eee was exponentially easier to haul around and did everything I needed it to do while on campus.

    Now that I have a Blackberry Curve, I can do basic browsing and all of my web communication just about as easily, but in more places. However, I miss having a very portable PC for some mid-level gaming (Quake 3, Starcraft, Worms, etc) since I have neither my Eee or my HP, so I am looking at the Asus n10j or possibly an n20 (if you can call it a netbook). I also considered putting one on my car with an external laptop hard drive and using Winamp for easy-to-use car audio selection, but I never followed through with the project. Plus, now that I have the curve, I could tether my netbook and get internet on a device with a more usable keyboard virtually everywhere that I regularly go.

  • fractalrock says:

    vrogy’s post above is exactly right…techcrunch is trolling for page hits, similar to John Dvorak’s methods. Please just ignore them.(I’m looking at you, hackaday). ‘Netbooks’ are very small, low power laptops…*of course* there are compromises.

  • TJ says:

    I bought my wife a EEEPC 1000HD (with XP on it though) and she loves it. She reads email, web browses, and plays casual games like Bejewelled and Puzzle Quest on it. It’s a netbook and she uses it as such.

    She likes the fact she can just take it with her to appointments to pass the time in waiting rooms without being a power lifter and it’s going to last longer than 2 hours on battery.

  • alive says:

    I have an EEE PC 900 with xp pro and 2 gigs ram
    LOVE IT!!! I don’t know what people are talking about with performance… I got firefox open with 12 tabs, 2 open office documents open ~12 pg’s each, openPandora streaming music, could be doing a lot more. I use codeblocks and Eve Online, played spore on it for a lil while, I haven’t came across something it couldn’t handle(normal use). I’m a student so I bring it to all my classes, 3-4 hr battery life is awesome, small ac cord is great, takes a beating and keeps asking for more. Typing takes a lil getting used too but the portability is worth every penny. The EEE PC 900 is smooth and can’t complain about anything.

  • chucklefromthecrowd says:

    Techcrunch sound like they’re just trying to stir the pot to see what comes up. “The debate about netbooks?” As they point out, the little ‘puters are selling quite well. I wouldn’t be too bullish about predicting future sales (re: all previous bubbles that have burst in the last 8 years) but the existing sales figures don’t lie. There might be a debate about how big netbooks will get, but they’ve already gone from nonexistent to selling quite well. The question isn’t whether they’re popular – the question is how big they’ll get. Techcrunch seems to think we’re just waiting for a slightly larger iTouch to spring from Job’s noble brow, so we can ditch all our wee little keyboards, but the fun of netbooks is as eliot said above – they’re cheap enough to hack, and since you’re hopefully running linux, you’re going to learn a few new things along the way if you’ve never run it before. If you’re not in it for the tinkering, you have a 2-3 pound computer. Win-win.

    And the keyboards aren’t much better than a Blackberry’s? What does TechCrunch wake up and smoke? Focus on a device that only runs a browser? I’m sorry, but the most fun I have with my EEE is either messing around with the OS or with the programs I can put on it, now that I have Ubuntu eee installed. I’m in school for computer science with an interest in network security, so I’ve been messing around on my home network with software like Wireshark and the Aircrack suite. My eee is great for this, and as my first Linux box (got a 701 4G about 10 months ago) it’s been very good practice getting familiar with Unix.

    And right now I’ve got the eee hooked up to a giant keyboard, mouse, and a 19 inch Dell monitor. Not a bad faux desktop, really. I can’t run any games, but for most of my needs, it works just fine.

    At least the big TC linked to someone critical of them. Too bad they don’t have a link here for the amalgamation, or to BoingBoing for the sass.

  • 2hochn says:

    My Hands and Fingers are just too big for the micro keys.
    I hate to write on them.

  • Kedde says:

    I use my Aspire one as a car pc… Perfect for the frontend, small size, easy portability and cheap! – Just perfect

  • PacoSanchez says:

    I’ve always been a desktop user, and had always refused to have a notebook for the exact same reasons stated by those notebook haters. You always pay more to have less. But last year I left my country and I had to get myself one, and now here at home we have a MBP, a Dell, a Toshiba and an Ibook. They look nice and notebooks design are goodlooking, but guess what?! I can’t wait to have my hands on a Desktop PC again, I just can’t get used with laptops, notebooks, whatever…

  • tom61 says:

    I had to give up reading at “You have to use the keyboard or trackpad to scroll down, and it means taking your eyes off the screen,” as I can’t laugh without waking someone. The idiocy of not being able to find the trackpad or the arrow keys without looking is just too humorous. A very hit-seeking troll post.

    I’ve had two ultra-portables (not netbooks as the price when new was well over $1000) a Libretto 100CT and P1120, which were both under powered for 2007 (when I got them cheaply used). Both had there uses.

    I got the Asus EEE PC 701 shortly after it came out, as I had killed the P1120 at that point. The small res and size of the screen was the main issue I had, particularly going from a 8.9″ 1024×600 screen on the P1120. Still decently OK at surfing the net at lunch. I sold it to my roommate during finals last year, as he was borrowing it so much anyway.

    Next I got the EEE PC 900, going back to 8.9″ 1024×600 was a huge help with webbrowsing. I’ve actually used the 900 and P1120 as my primary machine for a week or more using the in-built display, but had to seek out an external display to use with the 701 to use it for more than a couple of hours. The extra storage is nice too.

    (For pics of all four, click my name)

    Right now, I’m waiting for Netbooks based around the GMA 500 –more-capable, less power-hungry– Atom chipset, before considering getting a replacement for my 900. If I was looking to buy now, the Dell Mini 9 looks awesome (passive cooled is a huge boon for in-bed or other non-flat surface use).

  • stunmonkey says:

    For portable control of hacked devices (whether it be a DLSR or a flaming doom launcher), or simply for handing data to devices in the field that need them (like projectors and sound rigs), or even just data logging, they just can’t be beat.

    They are absolutely the Hacker/Maker/Culture Jammer’s best friend.

    Might not be much for actual computing power, but they still have orders of magnitude more than we need just to interface with meatspace toys in realtime, and they sure beat lugging around an expensive and heavy heat pig of a laptop with no battery life.

  • maathieu says:

    I have a MSI Wind laptop purchased with Ubuntu Linux preinstalled (yes, it’s possible), and I am very happy about it. I needed a small machine as a development front-end (think “a sort of super x-terminal”) and this just fits my needs.

    Plus I don’t see the point of buying a $1000 PC to run a bloated Vista when a light-spec machine can run Linux without problem…

  • Matthew says:

    tom61′s post hit the nail on the head for me. What’s all this trouble with scrolling? I almost always use the arrow keys, and I could find those if I had lost every sense but touch! I don’t need a freakin’ touch screen to browse the web! In fact, for that I prefer to have a keyboard. A feature that the ever-glorified-hardly-used tablet PC necessarily lacks.

  • scorp76 says:

    People whine when things r not convenient for them n dumb ppl whine even more.

    Like Tom said, put ur damn hand on the buttom right of the kb, feel the keys in the up-side-down ‘T’ shape formation? Those r the arrow keys, use em.

    Next, they complain toilets dont clean their asses for them.

  • xteraco says:

    I have a CloudBook. I love the thing. I’m running Slackware Linux on it. I can’t begin to say how awesome this thing is. I use it when I’m at work or on the run, and have a creative idea (I’m a programmer) that I want to code/jot down real quick. This saves me from the dreadful EvilNapkin! I also use it to play music at work. One last thing, I bought an OpenMoko FreeRunner. With my unlimited data plan, I can tether this to my netbook and have internet almost anywhere I go. For example, if I’m at Borders bookstore, I can bust this out of my pack, and get an Amazon.com review on a book before I buy it!

    I hope this sways everyone to buy one!

  • cnawan says:

    I have an Eee 901 and love it. Pluses include 7 hour battery life; 2 finger scrolling with the trackpad; and reading ebooks with FBreader under Ubuntu Eee (and yes, all the buttons work).

    Keyboard is fine with man-hands, calm down, move along.

  • anon says:

    since laptops are use mostly for note taking and browsing only, i think any common netbook can do an excellent work, as any other notebook back from 2000 can.

  • dexter says:

    i have a EEE 701 and i am about to put a touchscreen in and convert it to a slate

    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.16124~r.83188615

    Price: $37.50 free shipping

    and a bluetooth adapter

    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.11866~r.83188615

    Price: $5.08 free shipping

    so for under $400au i will have a touchscreen laptop with a SSD

    BEET THAT !

  • anon says:

    also, eat this, you average netbook hater

    http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/2663/52072285wn8.jpg

    sony vaio c1ve, transmeta shitty 600mhz cpu, 128mb ram, pcmcia wireless adapter, win2k pro, and still really enjoyable

  • Rocket says:

    I was an early adapter with 7″ Asus Eee. I was really usable and using Linux for the first time I found surprisingly useful.
    I now have full spec 17″ HP Laptop for video editing that I love for the power but have been giving thought to another netbook. In my opinion they can’t be beat for mobile use, email, skype, web etc.
    The currrent wave with of netbooks with larger (10″) screens, longer battery life and larger drives make them a strong option.
    I also own a 3G iphone FYI. Different deals I reckon.

  • Aaron Andrusko says:

    TLDR version: I am sick of these slow little plastic excuses for innovation and the mundane “hacks” that anyone armed with a soldering iron and the schematic of a mag-lite can pull off.

    Let me preface this post with my personal position on the subject of hardware hacking. I have endless interest in and respect for the pioneers who look at things from the outside and evoke true ingenuity. Multi-touch table folks, Jail breakers, Benders, Phreaks in the day and people who push the security envelope, rock on. What I’m about to post isn’t an affront to the foundation of the hack scene or hackaday at all.

    I feel that the original post has too much implied consensus. The real questions that land on the desks of the computer manufacturers are not about how a nano-faction of consumers like to void warranties and solder run of the mill usb devices onto motherboards.

    The original poster refers to the Netbooks as “fully capable laptops”. Fully capable of what exactly? I wouldn’t even enjoy using one to blog about the mods I did to one. Most of them are so anemic in the media abilities that they can’t even playback video proper at the native res of the panel. That in my book = horse shit.
    No matter how light a distro of Linux can be installed on these things, you will never find one with negative weight.

    Netbooks are marketed to people who don’t need even marginal computing. If you own a single other computer and use it at all for what you do, than you really are outside of the scope. Not that they mind the sale of course. If you don’t own another computer besides your netbook, I feel for ya @_@

    If the modifications were really what sold these things, not just why certain prolific internet show and tellers want them, the design and marketing would be more accommodating of such modification.

    And that’s the crux of the issue. For example, when small solid state storage became mainstream, the manufacturers noticed the demand and designed the Netbooks to contain one or several readers onboard. I am seriously not impressed when someone pops a different flash ssd into a mini-pcie slot and calls it a hack. For fucks sake, not a hack. Kudos.

    Hit us up when you ball a better processor and reflow it in a toaster.

    Bringing OSX86 into the mix is really really reaching also. If the only people working on the osx86 project were netbook owners, it would not exist. Mostly because of the pathetic processors. *cough*

    Wake us up when something awesome happens.

    P.S. Where is the hack again?

    Xoxo

  • fartface says:

    I love how lots of kiddies disown the netbooks because they cant play fallout 3 or watch HD video on it. they declare it “useless”.

    yet I’ve been using netbooks for real business for over a year now. They work great. I recently upgraded all the eee’s here to the Acer aspire one because for the same price we get a giant HDD, faster proc, and they happily go up to 2gig in ram. we do on site programming of crestron and Vantage systems with these and they work GREAT. Hell I run dreamweaver and flash 8 on mine for my playing around. and when I boot out of XP and into linux I can do some serious programming on it wherever I want.

    Buy just a netbook? that’s silly. Get one to suppliment your laptop. but that netbook is killer for whipping out a patch to an app when you are sitting in the bleachers at half time or in traffic in the carpool. Then as college students discover these they never want to take a full laptop to class again. My wife loves her aspire one running ubuntu. she can do everything in class she needs, she can even use it easily to record the class for later referral and I’m happy because it’s virus and spyware proof.

    I do agree netbooks like the early eee’s and others that had only flash ram are really only neato hacking toys.. but the current ones with a decent hard drive and atom processor kick it hard. the LED backlight of my aspire one is brighter on it’s lowest setting than most new laptops are on their highest setting.

    If you are some poor kid that thinks $350.00 is a lot of money, no you will not like a netbook. If you are a professional that likes to get stuff done or a student that needs more desk space.. you’ll love them.

  • Mark says:

    I don’t understand geeks getting so excited over these things…I mean if some arts student want to get one so they can take notes, that’s fine, but I need the extra performance my 15″ MBP has – and any self-respecting geek does.

  • Roger says:

    I gave my wife an eeePC 401 last Christmas and by February she was nagging me to get one for myself, so she could get to use hers a bit more.

    These two things get a lot more use than any other computers in our (festooned with computers) house.

    If you need, or want, to cart a laptop around that has the form factor and mass of a gravestone then that’s fine. If you don’t, then there are netbooks.

    The bits I really like are the 30 second boot time, and being able to stuff it into a normal 20 litre backpack with my other stuff – No stupid “Targus” labels on it to get you mugged…

    It may not be a smart choice for an “only” PC, but they’re cheap enough for many people to not have to be stuck with an “either/or” choice – Have both.

  • edge says:

    Bought an eee 701 a while ago, hacked in an external wifi antenna adapter :p fun stuff, easy as hell to hack! Great to stuff in a bag and take round a mates, watch a movie in a car (stick it on the open glove box)…the “netbooks” PC World are advertising are more expensive than a comparable product (Asus eee 1000h) and heavier. I think linux is not essential for a good netbook experience, but it does help (if you love a lightweight desktop and terminals)…Windows helps create a really tight media-net feel thats just “easy” to use…it just looks nice..But does hog the resources unless you strip it down….
    I hope to turn my eee pc into a portable, wearable system with HMD & wireless input device (need some help with that one :s)
    Happy hacking :)

  • no7fish says:

    I have an Acer Aspire one that i purchased about 6 months ago and I love it. Even though I could have it for $100 cheaper now, I still don’t regret it. It’s not a blazing fast machine and media on it is pretty poor but that’s all with the std linpus install. I’m planning to upgrade to Ubuntu and I expect things to be even more functional.

    I think the reason these get a bad reuptation (if there is indeed one) is because people don’t knwo what they’re buying. They think it’s a cheap little laptop and assume it will be as fast as any other laptop. These things are not fast and are not confortable with windows. Linux is cool but takes some getting used to. Open Office is awesome.

    I have absolutely no complaints. The only thing that is slow is video and I’m sure that with a RAM upgrade to 1g along with Ubuntu it should be fine.

    Worth noting, I also have a Samsung Blackjack with internet. My Acer is so much better than the phone in so many ways it’s silly to suggest that anyone would prefer to use the phone IMO.

  • jehan says:

    I have a lenovo s10
    got it because the keyboard was bigger than other models out there

    the U.S. S10 is crippled (no bluetooth, etc), but that’s like saying Babe Ruth is crippled, and he now performs like an average baseball player

    the S10 is great. Battery life is solid, but I usually plug in to a wall anyways.
    The screen is bright, and crisp (which i didn’t expect)

    One complaint I have is the placement of the right shift, and the control keys

    but it’s otherwise awesome. especially compared to my 17″ dell inspiron!

  • jehan says:

    me again,

    I use my s10 for computing on the go.
    that means I don’t try to run Crysis!
    I’ve got snesticle for entertainement…

    music/video is done via hulu and pandora. so the HD is wide open for Gimp (runs fine), Maxima (great), a latex development environment (runs fine), etc

    screen space is a premium, so I got the windows “powertoy” that allows for multiple desktops

  • Distahs says:

    I own a MSI Wind and it’s Great.

    Specs.

    1.6 Ghz proc.(OC’d to 2.1 Ghz) can go further.

    2 GB mem

    500 GB HDD (after market)

    Wifi 802.11 abg FYI Stock card not compatible with Ubuntu.

    Blue tooth

    6 cell batt.

    Also I plan on adding a Touchscreen and GPS

  • Odin84gk says:

    I use the most basic Dell Inspiron 9. When I am sitting on the couch watching TV or playing Halo, I find myself grabbing the 9 because it is so darn light. When I need to do some work, I grab my larger, more powerful notebook. It is not worth buying if you need a work laptop, but if you want something that can surf the net, it works great.

    My wife loves it more than the large laptop, but we both agree: It is a good supplemental laptop, but not a good primary laptop.

  • The Phantom says:

    I have an Asus Eee PC 701 I use as a PDA. It is much more useful than the HP iPaq I previously used.. I use it for surfing the web when I’m out and about, and keeping appointments etc. The keyboard is crap, but much better than a phone keyboard for me. I have big fingers, phones just kill me.

    I also bought an Acer Aspire One for a family member, it is superior to the Asus 701 in all respects other than size. It replaces a full sized Pentium 2 laptop quite successfully.

    However for serious use I stick with the desktop .

  • Tien Gow says:

    For someone who has lugged 6 lb laptops through airports around the world, the netbook is a godsend. I had an eeePC 701 and now own an Acer Aspire One. The small size and light weight let me take it places where I wouldn’t take the laptop because it was too inconvenient.

    The real value of the netbook is that it brings computing power to places that didn’t have it before because a laptop was too heavy and bulky to carry. Will the smartphone take over this function? Probably eventually, but not for some time because the smartphones have a different focus.

  • saimhe says:

    The HP mini 1000? Which has Home, End, PgUp, PgDn inaccessible with a single keystroke?! Someone must be joking.

  • jarions says:

    I’m writing this from my ASUS eee 900 running eeeUbuntu. This machine is perfect for traveling, trouble shooting, note taking, emailing, and carrying around when the wife is shopping. The keyboard is a bit small but I knew that. It’s still better than a thumb board or cell phone. My only whine is that I should have waited for the 901.

  • Cirictech says:

    Well I have a eee 2gb Surf likely the worst netbook made but I love it. I also have a desktop and a 17″ notebook, also about 12 other computers. I love my EEE I use mostly while im in the plane for reading pdf’s, I have done last minute presentations, and then it is also good when you need to fix some code on a micro controller in the field or what not i can hold it in one hand and it fits in my pocket. I like most didn’t buy it to be my sole computer I knew what I was getting in to so for those of you who don’t like them then don’t get one. I can see that those who have one most likely love it and use them for travel.

    P.S. it is very nice to pull out a netbook on a plane then a 17″ beast.

  • J says:

    I have an eee 1000h and am the envy of my class.

    You are all ignorant in your intelligence- you miss the big picture. Most “normal” people do not care what any of you think or what a tech site thinks or what a bunch of hackers think no matter if you believe they are kiddies or “phreaks or whatever the fuck jargon you want.

    What matters to real people is that the kid sitting in front of them is doing exactly the same thing they are- facebook, the internet; watching videos; playing arcade games, flash games, etc… except theirs only weighs three pounds, has 320GB of memory inside it, and can handle five hours of battery life comfortably.

    This is what normal people see. They see me pulling out a computer smaller than one of their textbooks, opening it, and they see it boot and reach Winamp in less than two minutes with a library of music bigger than they have on their desktop. And they want it, every time.

    The barrier so far has been that average people don’t want to purchase from the interwebbers. Anything less than 500$ is fine with them anyway.

  • J says:

    I use XP, btw.

    And yes, I have had standard hard drives die. I keep backups.

    Looking to “upgrade” to an SSD sometime for the battery life and potential speed increase.

  • daryl says:

    I had originally picked up an Asus EEEpc 1000HD at a local bigbox thinking I could use the XP license and just load linux on it myself until I discovered it came with a 900mhz celie (not the Atom), so that got returned.

    I managed to replace it with an Acer Aspire 4530 having an AMD X2 1.9GHz and 2GB ram from the factory. I really wanted to get a netbook for the battery life while sitting on airplanes, but when I found this one on newegg for $450 two weeks back, I jumped at the savings since this would let me use it for more than just travel time.

    I like the idea of netbooks, but have been disappointed few are in the $200 price range that was originally targeted.

  • smackhappy says:

    MSI Wind w/ 2gb ram OSX 10.5.5 3G network wirelessly tethered from my iphone…

    Perfect for the 1 hour train commute!

  • strider_mt2k says:

    I bought a Dell Inspiron Mini 9 with Windows, 16gb SSD, and 1gb of ram (swapped out immediately for 2gb)
    I’ve had great fun with the little thing.
    I’ve been able to experiment with different Windows configurations during my free time at work, and I’ve hacked an internal USB connector into the unused WWAN bay that currently hosts a 16GB flash drive.

    It games too, but mostly older stuff and ones that don’t require hardware acceleration.

    I’m also a moderator on the mydellmini site, and have picked up enough tips and tricks to make this thing fly just like a “regular” notebook.

    Up and atom! :D

  • j-striker says:

    I don’t know if I ‘hate’ them per se, but I’m tired of hearing about them, and though I haven’t used one, I’d be surprised if ‘good for about an hour’ doesn’t hold pretty true.

    I’ll buy one when wireless broadband is cheaper and less restricted (I want to use it on all my devices, replacing having to pay for a cable line).

    Until then, I’d rather just have an iPhone (which I know I also don’t need), if I’m going to be paying for an expensive telecom plan.

  • Chris McDonald says:

    I’m planning on getting a netbook to save my laptop from getting damaged when I’m on the go. For getting any real work done I use a laptop or my desktop(which is more of a file server these days). To jump online for a few min to check and reply to a few email I use the netbook. Its also great for pulling up PDF manuals when I’m working on equipment in the field. Also great for jumping online for a chat with friends via msn or IRC. Its also useful for 2 channel audio recording and playback. The other thing is that all I want in it is a small cheap ssd. Hard drives don’t take well to being dropped and banged around. This thing should be cheap enough so that I don’t have to be worried about it on the job. Other uses I can think of is a serial terminal for connecting to the console of routers and switches. Its something small enough to fit in my coat pocket that I can still type on(I hate T9 and thumb keyboards). I don’t find the keyboards too small, tho I had to remap a few keys on my cousins aspire one.

  • Monty says:

    I use an MSI Wind at school, and i find it fine for work – many times it has saved me from certain doom when i have an essay due in next lesson. This would be impossible to do without a good keyboard.

    On holiday it also gets light Photoshop usage as well – the Atom is far underrated CPU. It handles some extremely demanding programs such as Photoshop and Lightroom just fine. A tad laggy, but fine. It also boots incredibly fast (<30 seconds).

    £280 well spent, in my opinion.

    Monty

  • strider_mt2k says:

    “…the Atom is (a) far underrated CPU.”

    That’s very true IMHO.

  • ZupaDupa says:

    I own an Asus Eee PC 901 with 2Gb of RAM (upgraded with +30 euros). I run Ubuntu 8.10 with eeepc-kernel.

    And I love it.

    + Powerful
    + Battery life
    + Reminds me to cut my fingernails

    - Forces me to cut my fingernails
    - Impossible to use for programming
    - Webcam doesn’t work correctly with Skype

    All the compiz effects run without problem. Not that it’s a must, but with the small display I enjoy some more visual replacements for example the taskbar.

  • phaktor says:

    As the proud owner of an Asus Eee 701. I’m happy to say that the only modifications that are really needed to make the thing perfect for the average user are to install the Full Desktop and install more RAM. Over the summer, I worked in my school’s computer lab and usually had nothing to do. I found out within the first week or so of that job that the Eee 701 will run Starcraft really well from an external harddisk through wine as long as there doesn’t happen to be a Zerg rush.

  • stunmonkey says:

    Powerful enough to get the job done, small enough to easily hide, cheap enough to dispose of if needed, and light enough to run with while being chased by cops.
    Whats not to like?

  • Harry says:

    I own an eeepc 900 with 2gb ram and 20 SSD, just perfect with kubuntu 8.10 – kde 4.2, amazing. and runs backtrack 3 with virtualbox..I love it !

  • _matt says:

    Not powerful? What are they talking about?

    I play Half-life, Half-life 2, and Diablo 2 on my eee 1000h.

    Umm, my eee 1000h plays 720p video fine, and it can actually last through two entire movies without needing a power outlet.

    It also plays all my roms up through N64 fine. Use a wiimote + classic controller over bluetooth.

    Have windows 7 and xp on it, and aero runs fine in 7.

    Oops, didn’t mean to feed the trolls.

  • schell says:

    I have an XO. I keep it in the kitchen to look up recipes. It’s super rugged so I don’t have to worry about spilling melted butter on the keyboard. I’d never do my work on it though. The keyboard was made for carnies. “Small hands, smell like cabbage.”

  • davijordan says:

    I use an old laptop that are pretty much the same size as the new nettops. The old p1 laptop with linux works for all my needs. It was given to me. Why spend hundreds of dollars on new stuff when there is plenty of vintage equipment that will serve most people’s needs.

  • Glenn says:

    I was going to get a blackjack II from AT & T, but decided to go with the Acer Aspire One instead. I really like it. They may not be the greatest computers, but they’re really easy for me to carry around campus, and have a great price. perfect for taking notes and other every-day stuff.

  • nick says:

    I am a university student; my Asus 701 has been ideal for writing essays, modifying ppt presentations during lectures, and even spreadsheets- perfect.
    Introuced me to Linux also; Linux- more perfect.

  • edd_p says:

    My mum bought a netbook just 2 days ago, and i was actually surprised at it compared to my laptop which i bought just over a month ago, although going from widescreen to 8″ takes some getting used too but i actually really like it.

  • bobbo says:

    Happy owner of an Asus Eee 701. Run Ubuntu Eee on it (Customised kernel, kernel modules and the Ubuntu Netbook Remix launcher) and absolutely love it. Sure they keyboard and screen are small, but if they were “proper” sized, it wouldn’t be anywhere near as portable, which is a major negative in my book. I do not see any real slowdowns when using my Eee. For surfing the web, checking my mail and even watching some videos (xvid, not exactly HD, but if you are watching HD videos, you should have a proper screen, otherwise get Xvid) it is absolutely fine. Compiling software is slower, but the majority of people dont need to compile software (or even know what that means).

  • norm says:

    A lot of the complaints about netbooks are trivial. So you can’t play the latest videogames with all the high res graphics and effects? So your netbook ain’t a super computer when it comes to memory or processing? What do you expect? It’s a mini computer that costs a few hundred bucks! The price and size alone make netbooks a good choice. How much speed/memory do you need to browse the internet anyway? And FYI: the latest eee pcs play video just fine.

  • Mike says:

    I’ve got an acer aspire one I picked up from wallyworld.

    I practically fawn over the thing.

    I’ve got small hands, sans the cabbage smell, and find the keyboards easier to use than standard ones.

    It’s got everything I need. It has the winxp home setup and I’ve got that pared down to a svelte, speedy install now.

    I’ve got openoffice, inkscape, gimp, audacity, kompozer and a few other goodies installed and haven’t had a single issue yet.

    I plan on adding ram, and possibly a gps to it for navigation purposes.

    So, count me in on the fanboy float.

  • danahyatt says:

    Nokia N810 is fine for everything I need to do outside of the office. Maemo OS works for anything that is not Gimp or Games. It is small and that works for me. Easy to cancel when I’m using an open network.

  • danahyatt says:

    Nokia N810 is fine for everything I need to do outside of the office. Maemo OS works for anything that is not Gimp or Games. It is small and that works for me. Easy to canceal when I’m using an open network.

  • cancervisa says:

    Every cafe is now an internet cafe, I love myAspire one with xp and intel atom. Freedom, Freedom Freedom.
    The keyboard is like learning to play the piccillo after playing a flute. Just some minor adjustment.

  • I bought my wife an eee PC 701/linux, which she used consistently for about 6 months for web surfing, blogging, writing, etc. Then I got myself a 701/XP on catchoftheday for $AU300 (just under $US200), which she promptly stole. She has since upgraded to an eee PC 1000H, so I now have the two 701s – black / white, linux / XP, its like spy vs spy ;)

    After I had a laptop fail on me a few years back, I switched my work environment to be machine independent. Everything I need is on a 60Gb pocket USB hard-disk – data files, programming tools (java, gcc, python), portable Thunderbird/Firefox for mail and web. Now I really don’t care what machine I use – I just plug in my disk and get to work.

    Of course, this also works fine with the eee PC too. I’m writing this on my 701, which I also use as my main software development machine. I have a 19″ monitor with external keyboard and mouse. My rule is always to develop on the slowest possible machine since this reveals every inefficiency in your code. But still, even at 600MHz the 701 is plenty fast enough for most things I need. Heck, I can even plug in my midi keyboard and play a bunch of VSTi softsynths. I also use it for audio editing and production (Audacity, Finale, Reaper, etc), occasionally “over-clocking” it to 900MHz if I need some more speed.

    Yes, the keyboard and screen are small. But laptops are crap for ergonomics anyway. Try and do any serious amount of work on a laptop and you’ll end up with a pain in your neck and in your wrists. So long as the screen is attached to the keyboard, the problem will be there. Even on a full size laptop I always use an external keyboard. The only advantage of the laptop over the netbook is that its main screen might make a half-decent second monitor if you can get it close to eye level. The point of a laptop is that its easy to carry your software environment with you. Occasionally I might use the netbook on the road, and for that its mostly good enough.

    A big plus for the 701 is that its virtually silent. With eeectl running the fan is barely audiable. The SSD makes many OS tasks quite snappy, so in terms of your perception slower CPU + SSD beats faster CPU + HDD. Only things I would change: a bigger SSD – 4Gb is fine for linux, but not for XP. It would also be nice to have a mainstream netbook with passive cooling like the XO. No moving parts means no noise and nothing to wear out.

    Now that the genie is out of the bottle (thanks to the XO and EEE), competition in this market should bring some interesting stuff. Its good to see Asus pledging to keep supporting the bottom end of the market with cheap machines. While some folks are moaning about netbooks not delivering the ultimate vista experience, for many the low price point means that they are now able to access technology that would otherwise be out of reach. This has to be a good thing.

  • walt says:

    I’m using a lenovo 3000 V200 and I really like it. it seems that a lot of thought was put in to the design and feel. the size is perfect. the keys feel great. I love having a switch to disable wireless connectivity (wifi and bluetooth). the latchless way it opens and closes is great. I will say 2 negative things about it, though. First, the SD slot does not read SDHC (2Gig max). also, I really wish this had some sort of docking station. I take this thing on the go with my every day, so I’m constantly plugging and unplugging. Oh, and they could have skipped the dial up phone jack and the firewire, but not a big deal. A few more USB ports or even a serial port would be more useful.
    even thought it’s silver (wish they came in black) this is still a serious looking laptop that doesn’t look like a piece of candy. I don’t feel like some punk kid carrying it around and using it in public. my lenovo has enough plastic to protect the electronics but not so much that it appears bloated or silly. I really hate the way most modern laptops are bright and bubbly looking. nothing beats hacking away on a black box.

  • Max says:

    I have the EeePC 701, and it’s perfect for everything I do, which means web browsing, chatting, and programming…

  • gh_ says:

    Just got my M912x:

    1gb ram (upgrading when the new stick arrives)
    1.6 ghz atom
    160 gb hdd
    1280 x 768 on the 9″ touchscreen
    bluetooth – great feature, as I can blue-tether my blackberry for internet when away from home, and I don’t even have to pull the phone out of my pocket.

    I LOVE this computer, only takes about 10-15 seconds to load photoshop cs3 – not a gamer, so this is my most intensive load.

    I got it two days ago, and I haven’t touched the other 4 computers I own since (though I do use the desktop monitor for more real estate.)

    I shopped around A LOT before buying and I am very happy I did.

  • Pencilneck says:

    I’ve ended up buying 3 of the Eee 1000h units since July and love them. Two are for the house so my wife and I each have our own, and then one for work.

    The big problem with them, the right shift key. WTF kind of bad design was that? It seems to be fairly common with netbooks though, but some do have a normal sized right shift key. I left shift now, problem solved for me.

    Battery life is great, 5+ hours isn’t a problem, just turn the screen brightness down to about 1/3rd (still plenty bright for indoors) and go into CPU power saving mode. Google Earth and streaming video seem to like the fast CPU mode best, but can still be used in the power saving mode.

    As for the CPU being weak… well, for what? Web pages, email, IM and VOIP? Plenty good, with power to spare so you can have your MP3s playing in the back ground. HD video editing… well, no, but no one ever said these things were for video editing… it would be like whining about a Mini Cooper not being able to tow a large boat.

    I don’t think these things are over hyped, they do what they claim at a fairly good price.

  • thecauseandeffect says:

    acer aspire one with 1gb ram and 120gb HDD
    i find this thing absolutely perfect minus the 3 cell battery life. its perfect for carrying around and for classes. and running aircrack-ng on the road

  • mykeyFinn says:

    I’m picking one of these up for a large autonomous robotics project. I figure that as a control platform it should be more robust than an arduino, and in some cases cheaper and without all the soldering. Now I don’t mind the lead but I want multiple controls centralized, a touch screen interface, and wifi access for remote programming, easier to mod a netbook. Once I solve the weather proofing problem. Yes you can hack it, no it is not a high performance media machine, and no I would not dream of using it as my only computer. But for quick web access on the go, word processing, coding, or podcast machine its priceless, but I think these will start to shine when people start seeing them as an addition or alternative solution in other electronics projects.

  • tensegrity says:

    Netbooks are awesome. I was on the verge of buying a Samsung NC10, but I finally settled on a used ultraportable (Dell D420) just for the full size keyboard. The NC10′s or any netbooks’ performance/specs are plenty good enough but a 100% keyboard was ultimately most important to me (writing is my main use). If there was a <$500, 3 lb, netbook with a full size keyboard, they would have gotten my money.

  • Ray says:

    Having owned and used various laptops in various roles (academia, work), I can most definetly say I prefer netbooks.

    Having owned an AA1 (it’s got a cracked screen at the moment), I can most definetly say it does what I need it to. I run Ubuntu on it with absolutley no trouble at all, I can easily run kicad, firefox with 10 tabs, ssh, telnet and still be able to stream music.

    There are things for and against netbooks, looking at it from a fullsize laptop perspective, you have more ‘computing’ power, a bigger screen and more storage.

    On the downside you have something which is hardly portable and a real pain to lug about.

    I personally prefer netbooks, I am going to be investing in a new AA1 (the repairs cost the same price as a new unit, so I figure I might as well get a new one and have the old one as a very small form factor desktop).

  • Frank says:

    I’ve got an eeePC 1000h with 2G RAM and a 320G HDD – works great. I’ve even run an XP virtual machine with MS Visual Studio 2008, SQL Server 2005 and IIS. It’s not fast by any means, but it does cope. I hook it up to my 24″ 1920×1200 dell monitor and keyboard/mouse and you can treat it more or less like a regular PC for web browsing and email and you can watch DivX and DVD movies on it without a hitch – although i haven’t tried anything hi def.

  • kenneth says:

    Hello i got a Aspire one Blue with one gig ram 120 hd 1,6 intel atom processor and 1024/600 res.
    I use it for many things : GuitarEffects processor
    , soundstudio ( cooledit and reason4 ) , and even games run quite well on this machine . I play S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Shadow of tjernobyl and i have no problems at all the game run fine even with Highres graphics and high detail on in res 1024*600 and im happy with this little fellow.

  • Alpha says:

    I own an EeePC 1000HD. Its got a gig of ram, 160gig ram, and an intel 900mhz processor. I’ve owned it since christmas, and i havent yet figured out the BIOS key, but I think its underclocked and undervolted to keep power usage and heat emissions down. I use it for music, movies, and the web.

    People have to understand that netbooks are made for light duty. If you want a gaming laptop, get an ASUS G series. Now, that being said, I installed Red alert 2, my favorite rts, and its been running fine. The only gripe I have with this netbook is the shift key. I read a review on newegg complaining about the locatioon of the right shift button, and I agree that it is hard to get used to. Maybe in a week or two I’
    ll get it down.

    no complaints about the speed or performance here

  • Andy says:

    I bought an Acer Aspire One with 1gig of ram adn 120gig Hd abou 6 months ago. Had a EEEPC and tried the Dell Mini 9.The One outdoes them all with Ubuntu 8.10. Plus, why would anyone pay more than $100 for a netbook with an ssd anyway? The rest of the Netbook market seems like a total waste of perfectly good computer parts…

  • jesse says:

    I own an Acer Aspire One and it has been one of the best investments I have ever made. I can take this mini laptop anywhere. I have added a touch screen, internal logitech transmitter and I’m planning on bluetooth. The machine is rock solid and to say that it’s underpowered is plain stupid. I think what is going on is that some businesses are joining forces to focus on more “powerful” systems = more money per machine = larger profits.

    The size of the keyboard is not a problem, you get used to it after a few hours and you can be as proficient as with a standard size keyboard. I have used my One so much that normal size keyboards seem a little too big now.

  • Luc_Besson says:

    proud owner of a samsung nc10.

    regaurdless of what games u could play on these little things u really dont want to, they inspire u to get out ur old games that feel out of place on ur alienware desk-jobs.

    and as fallout3 was mentioned earlier i think ill make a little pun for anyone whos played it.

    netbooks have… wait for it..

    “the power of the Atom”

    [back to uplink for me:)]

  • Diane says:

    I have a Dell Inspiron Mini 9 and I like it a lot. I haven’t typed on it enough yet to get used to the slightly different keyboard, but I will be typing more on it soon. The Acer Aspire One has a better keyboard, but no one could beat the Mini 9′s battery life, and I thought that was more important than the keyboard.

    I have an 8GB SSD and 1GB of memory, and that is fine for me. We have a fast and powerful notebook I like to use in different room in our house or on trips. But the Mini 9 is something I can easily carry to my office or to various worksites or coffee shops.

    The graphics are good, speed is better than I expected–excellent in many cases, but a little jerky in others–wireless is fine, and the trackpad is nice. Dell is updating both the bios and drivers a lot. I did have a problem with freezing after booting, but the first troubleshooting solution on the Dell site worked for me, and it was easy.

    It didn’t matter to me, but a lot of people complained about the lack of an F11 key on the Mini 9. That has been taken care of in a recent bios update (FNz does the trick).

    People seem to want too much from netbooks. I will use mine to check scores, look at a few websites, check my email, and do some light blogging or document writing. That is what the machine is intended for, and it functions quite well. I’m really glad I bought it.

  • Stephen says:

    I have owned several subnote-netbooks and quite frankly they are ALL, with few exceptions, a money pit.

    However, I bought number of 2nd hand small laptops for far less, and were considerably better value for money. I bought a IBM thinkpad X32 centrino subnote with wifi, bluetooth and an XP Pro Licence. I upgraded the ram from 512mb to 2GB and replaced the 40Gb ide with a fast 120Gb model and this travels with me everywhere Cost £130.

    Two weeks ago, I bought an IBM T30 14.” Thinkpad and an IBM A31P 15.4″ Thinkpad, both P4-M’s for £170 for the pair. One I am now selling and the other is going to be a mini-Server.

    Yesterday, I bought a Compaq Armada P2-300MHZ for £10! I also bought a Toshiba Portege P3440 P3-500MHz for £40.

    I will upgrade the £10 Armada to 320mb RAM (The max) and install either Linux XUBUNTU or Damn Small Linux? after installing a Cheap WiFi card extra ram. It makes a great disposable laptop for kids or high-risk locations.

    Save money, buy second hard!!

  • John says:

    I bought a Samsung NC10 two months ago and love it. Very portable and fantastic battery life, my laptop has become the desktop and the NC10 the portable – desktop redundant. I have taken the NC10 on holiday and didn’t even notice it in hand luggage. Only gripe being the mousepad which I have tried to adjust, but not perfect yet. I use it for email and web browsing mainly.

  • Travis says:

    i just bought an acer one friday and love it its great for reading ebooks and can play my nes gba and most of my ds roms its a great little device to have

  • Eric says:

    As much as I love my AAO, I can’t really say that it’s a replacement for a desktop or even a full size notebook. I knew what I was and was not going to get when I purchased it. One thing that I think is overlooked, is that the intel atom n270 processor while clocked at 1.6GHz, is also hyperthreading. not a true dual core, but it certainly makes a difference, particularly when compared to a non hyperthreading p4 at the same clock speed. true, I can’t even run msn video at full screen without massive jitter, but that’s not why I got it. I wanted portability, and that’s what I got. as far as gaming is concerned, Diablo 2 runs okay, maxed at 800×600. World of Warcraft is… well if you need to check the AH on the go then its okay. 7fps outside, 27 inside if you’re staring at a wall. other than that, the 1024×600 max resolution can cause problems with certain applications that are expecting at least 768 pixels in the vertical. 1024×600 is a poor choice for a widescreen resolution, but its livable. the AAO has a very clear, crisp and bright screen, but it is a bit reflective. I find myself running firefox in fullscreen mode with just the address and status bar showing. Also, I don’t know how other netbook keyboards are, aside from the minuscule eee keys and the 89% of standard acer keys, but they work okay for me. scrolling with the trackpad is simple enough, you just have to find the edge of the trackpad, which incidentally is very smooth in operation on the AAO. I normally use a wireless laser mouse however.

  • djputchap says:

    I own a 1000he. It’s great. Keyboard is nice, I have small hands, and the mouse is adequate for its size, but I had to buy a separate mouse, a V450 Nano Logitech. Added an extra GB of ram and replaced the 160gb with a 250gb. It’s overclocked to run at 2ghz, using SETFSB and with GMAbooster, the puny 950 GMA, is running 2.4x more processing power than stock. I couldn’t be happier with what I get out of it, after all it IS a netbook, and NOT a desktop. For $350 it’s about the same price as the high end model of an iPod or Zune. I can’t complain, and for 10 inches of viewing pleasure? It fits my needs and that’s all a product should do for you.

  • ddm3187 says:

    I have a Dell mini 9 that i brought with me on deployment to Iraq and it has survived the rigors of living in a dry dust and static filled environment. It has survived many of days at the bottom of my assault pack and many hours being near electronic jamming equipment without a sign of trouble I think a lot of people have forgotten the concept of the netbook ultra portable and powerful enough to surf the net and chat and use some type of messenger. If they are looking for a computer with enough processing power to compute the meaning of life and to go into a seizure from all the flashing bright colors from it being displayed on the screen they should stick with a desk top.

  • TS says:

    I bought a Acer Aspire One in Sept. 09. I love this thing! Its so light I take it everywhere, and usually forget i even have it.. I use it a lot for wifi, low power gaming ( NHL 08 runs great), playing ripped DVDs to watch in car(no DVD drive), plug a wireless transmitter into it to send to my car stereo so i have like 50 Gigs of music with me always..I’ve used it for multi-track music production and recording live jam sessions, which it excels at (as long as you go easy on the plug-in effects or use a desktop for mixing and mastering)..I’ve also used Photoshop and web design software with no problem..

    I found the keyboard took a little bit to get used to because of the size difference, and also the smaller screen resolution, but I hardly notice anymore..I find myself using it more and more instead of my desktop, which I now use only for things that require the processing power..

  • Mel says:

    Old post, but to confirm, I use my netbook as my primary machine. Its just the right amount of stuff to get regular stuff accomplished.

  • Fletcher Arc says:

    Netbooks ROCK! I have an Aspire One. Atom 1.66Ghz, 1 gig ram. 160HD. I run PS CS5, MS Office, watch movies, listen to music, download tons. This is one of the greatest computers I have ever bought. Does EVERYTHING I throw at it. You netbook haters are all messed in the head.

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