Testing IR camera blocking

posted Aug 27th 2008 3:30am by Kimberly Lau
filed under: led hacks, misc hacks, security hacks

[randy] from F.A.T. tested the theory that infrared LEDs can actually hide you from the prying eyes of surveillance cameras. We’ve previously covered camouflage, IR, and other suggestions for eluding the cameras, but haven’t taken to sewing stuff onto our clothes yet. [randy] lined his hoodie with high-intensity infrared LEDs, hoping to create a halo effect that would hide his head, and tested his results. Unfortunately, his efforts were unsuccessful. He tested many many different combinations and we’re confident in his conclusion that it would be very hard to make this work.

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tagged: infrared, ir, led, leds, security, securitycamera, securitycameras, surveillance

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Heh, somehow I can’t imagine our local chavs sewing LEDs into their hoodies or caps. Mind you, if they did, it’d be an easy way for CCTV cameras to track them.

Posted at 4:07 am on Aug 27th, 2008 by piku

You know standard LED use 20Ma, but IR ones are meant for pulsing and can take 100 to 250Ma.
In other words this guy needs to get a clue and get those things pulsing and(or) supply more amperages to them to get that stuff working because obviously using weak IR LED on a camera that has some IR filtering too isn’t going to work.

Posted at 5:42 am on Aug 27th, 2008 by Wwhat

This is stupid.
He’s using the wrong kind of camera for testing.

If you’d try it with a proper surveillance camera in nightmode it would work much better.

Also, it would only work in very dark areas with highly IR sensitive CCTV cameras in nightmode.

Posted at 5:48 am on Aug 27th, 2008 by Everlong

Thank you for posting this! I was doing tests myself and finding no results…. at least the IR LED is still good to make a light pen for the wiimote projects… right? hmm.
It seems the easiest way to confuse security cameras is still the laser pointer in the lens.

Posted at 6:00 am on Aug 27th, 2008 by Louis II

which also doesn’t work either

Posted at 7:28 am on Aug 27th, 2008 by ewertz

Because none of them have a clue as to how the cameras work.

Go online and get 6-8 1 WATT IR led’s. THEN you will have enough of an IR light output to completely obscure your face on the cameras. the dinky toy led’s these guys are playing with will do nothing, you need a crapload of light output to overload the camera through it’s IR filter.

Now at night when the cameras are in night mode and looking for IR light you do not need as much to overwhelm them.

Posted at 8:16 am on Aug 27th, 2008 by fartface

10 out ot 10 points for effort, but minus several million for using cameras with IR filters.

I’ve this topic covered before: http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2008/02/temporarily_blind_surveil.html
but I may have to have a tinker with this idea tonight as a mini project, I’ve got a bag of high brightness infra-red LEDs and two identical SONY bullet cameras which I’ve taken the IR filter off one.

Posted at 8:19 am on Aug 27th, 2008 by Haku

You could use lower power leds such as he is using if you defused them through something else such as the back lighting plane from a lcd display. to create a mass of ir instead of a single point.

Posted at 8:50 am on Aug 27th, 2008 by Adam

Right, there’s no evidence here. This guy is doing wrong tests. He should try with high power leds, pulsing high current and also buy WIDE angle (and not directive)leds !!!

Posted at 8:51 am on Aug 27th, 2008 by Fabrice

A better way of hiding from cctv might be to zap the camera with this:

http://www.videojug.com/film/how-to-make-a-burning-laser-flashlight

LeJupp

Posted at 11:02 am on Aug 27th, 2008 by lejupp

It seems like there was still a fair amount of ambient light during these photo’s. A key part to getting this to work is to make the camera’s exposure time too low to gather reflected light from the area of your face. Placing bright non-direction lights near your face will not help. I don’t believe this is an unfeasible task. If I were in a situation to need something like this, I’d go for IR spotlights like they used in the movie The Inside Man.

Posted at 2:03 pm on Aug 27th, 2008 by Skitchin

anyone that says the camera is at fault, is seriously not thinking in the right direction. As a hacker, you do not have control over the camera used. with that said, he definitely has no idea how to find quality IR LED’s. the ones he’s using are inefficient at outputting the maximum ir spectrum.

Posted at 3:16 pm on Aug 27th, 2008 by BigD145

Well the people calling this guy an idiot should really show us how its done…. please.

Posted at 8:18 pm on Aug 27th, 2008 by bubba

Using an IR camera in nightmode and non-reflective materials will hide your face.

Posted at 8:52 pm on Aug 27th, 2008 by Brian

this guy is an idiot. and this is how it’s done:
http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/charliefreck/ir2.jpg
http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/charliefreck/ir1.jpg
two standard 5mm ir leds. digikey part #475-1112-ND. they are running at like half the rated amperage.(of 100ma) i taped one on each side of my glasses. picture taken with security camera in nightvision mode from like 100 feet away. :p

Posted at 10:20 pm on Aug 27th, 2008 by charlie

wtf!!?? my post was here for a minute and then gone. try again:
http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/charliefreck/ir2.jpg
http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l389/charliefreck/ir1.jpg

Posted at 10:49 pm on Aug 27th, 2008 by charlie

he should bend LEDs in different directions

Posted at 11:50 pm on Aug 27th, 2008 by therian

Ok, so I put 12 high intensity 5mm IR LEDs on some breadboard (had more LEDs but 12 seemed reasonable), got a few of my CCD cameras out, held the breadboard to my forehead and made this 1 minute video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2y3HWR3NMDQ&fmt=18

Filmed in low light conditions (that’s a streetlight in the window).

The first camera is a colour Sony 0.5 LUX CCD bullet camera, with it’s standard IR filter.
The second camera is an identical bullet camera but I removed the IR filter from the CCD.
The third camera iw a black/white 0.04 LUX camera just thrown in out of curiosity.

As for hiding your face from cameras with IR filters? I’d hazard a guess that is’s possible but you’d probably need a significant amount of high intensity wide angle IR LEDs surrounding your face. I could have a stab at the ‘problem’ further but I’d rather spend time sticking the IR LEDs and a camera to my Sony LCD glasses – instant nightvision goggles!

Posted at 8:48 pm on Aug 28th, 2008 by Haku

He didn’t use high brightness LEDs in pulse mode.

If he used a luxeon IR LED the results would have been different.

Also an IR laser out of a CD burner might work well too but this is dangerous since a near infrared laser powerful enough to kill a camera also can fry someone’s retinas.
BTW cameras in theory should have a second weakness they do tend to be scanned like tvs the analog kind anyway so maybe transmitting an RF pulse that looks like a sync signal could mess it up.
The digital kind maybe try and make the pulse looks like the signal encoding for USB or ethernet.
802.11 wireless cams would be far easier to jam then any wireless cameras you wouldn’t even have to bother with LEDs just 3 watts worth of white noise on the 2.4GHz ISM band should do the job.
Other frequencies of interest 2.45GHz and 900mhz for analog wireless cameras.
I also wonder if near UV also could be used instead of IR though this would make many materials fluoresce.
BTW this kinda reminds me of the optical jamming used in the tv show Phantom 2040.

Posted at 1:01 pm on Aug 29th, 2008 by Nitori

Anyone thought of pointing the LEDs at your face rather then at the camera? That way if you’re sideways to the camera the IR will still bounce off your face towards the camera – directed LEDs would be pointing off the same direction you’re looking and your profile could be visible to the camera. Harder to achieve though.

And use high power LEDs, kids.

Posted at 8:43 am on Aug 30th, 2008 by TheKhakinator

lol damn… well this dude just tried what I’m sure many of us had planned on using in the event we wanted to obscure security cameras… maybe DIY IR laser pointer?

you could use a camera without an IR filter to help with the aiming…

better than a normal laser pointer, cuz no security personnel would know where the lights comin from…

(I’m tired as hell… This all probably sounds retarded)

Posted at 11:56 pm on Sep 13th, 2008 by MicronXD

I’ve thought about doing something like this but modulating the IR output with a wideband, psuedo-random sequence (which is super easy to generate with a few logic chips and a clock source). My thought is that this broadband optical noise might interfere with the camera’s scan rate, or other processing it does (similar to what ‘nitori’ described).

Best case would be that the field of view of the camera would turn to ’snow’, worst case, it would do nothing..

..and for everyone beating up on this guy for LED selection.. at least he tried something.. I give him props for making a reasonable effort in the first place…

Posted at 3:27 pm on Sep 18th, 2008 by mr.radar

I tried to do that too XP

Posted at 8:57 pm on Oct 13th, 2008 by Daniel Velazquez

Add a parabolic reflector to make the spread more Uni-Directional.

Posted at 12:44 pm on Oct 14th, 2008 by d

CCD-Arrays are a relatively high sensitivity in the IR range, but IR light generally degrades the image. Thus high quality industrial grade cameras are equipped with an IR filter directly placed before the sensor.

The IR-LED approach works well with bright LEDs, but is naturally futile with cameras that filter their wavelength.

Posted at 3:31 pm on Oct 25th, 2008 by ruder

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