It just make me mad. All this pretending that they find something new when they using 100 years old technology

Posted at 5:25 pm on Aug 28th, 2009 by therian

A 100 ft extension cord give you free electricity, it’s not wireless tho.

Posted at 5:37 pm on Aug 28th, 2009 by Loren

Really, every few years it seems like somebody puts their own minor spin on this concept and claims it is a new discovery. Tesla had the thing essentially all wrapped up, there is precious little modern scientists need to do with this technology beyond further miniaturization.

Had Tesla’s funding held out, there is a good chance all of the demonstrations shown here would be everyday items for us now.

Posted at 5:38 pm on Aug 28th, 2009 by Tom

pffft. This is stupid. My TV is wireless already. Its a projector screen. I’m sending the power from 14′ away. I broadcast the power through something called a ‘lens’.

Amateurs.

Posted at 5:50 pm on Aug 28th, 2009 by Dave

Wow. All this wireless everything can’t possibly be good for us (health-wise).

Posted at 6:07 pm on Aug 28th, 2009 by Pilotgeek

This is not a basic open air transformer. it uses magnetic resonance to get dramatically higher efficiency.

Posted at 6:18 pm on Aug 28th, 2009 by gzeb

The issue with wireless power is that you are wasting a huge amount of power to broadcast it everywhere, rather than deliver it directly to the destination as batteries do. What is needed is better rechargeable batteries and a standard DC interface to recharge devices with.

Posted at 6:21 pm on Aug 28th, 2009 by David

what i want to know is do I need both devices to be in plane with each other, all of the demos show them that way. If I bought one, I want it big enough to power 2-3 laptops, a similar number of cell phones and maybe my electric cars.

Also I wonder how much power it consumes just to have the transmitter on without a receiver coil.

I heard they had a mat that did this for the electric cars. I wonder if it like getting covered in road salt and water and ice in the winter, and works while sitting on a relatively uninsulated slab.

Posted at 6:25 pm on Aug 28th, 2009 by Cynyr

What’s the problem with wires, again? They seem to work fine for me.

Posted at 6:32 pm on Aug 28th, 2009 by devin

Around 5 minutes in: “It doesn’t radiate. There are no electric fields here, only magnetic fields.”

Magnetic fields ARE electric fields. It’s just a different perspective on the same phenomenon.
Also, this isn’t green at all, the transfer efficiency is disgustingly low, and you can’t get around 1/r^2 no matter what you do. I’m going to have to agree with loren and tom here, this isn’t new.

I’m not an RF engineer, but I’m pretty sure antenna design has used this tech for years, and I *know* antennas are simply inducing a current from a changing field, which is being created by another antenna. Guess what? That’s wireless power transfer.
-.-
I digress.

Posted at 6:33 pm on Aug 28th, 2009 by Eric

It’s awfully hard to bill someone for electricity if it’s “transmitted.” That is why Tesla’s funding dried up. There may be a market for short range transmission though. We will see.

Posted at 7:22 pm on Aug 28th, 2009 by geodoom

I really don’t care if it is 100 year old technology, wireless electricity never fails to amaze me.

Posted at 7:28 pm on Aug 28th, 2009 by jamieriddles

eat a dick patel

Posted at 7:31 pm on Aug 28th, 2009 by anon

A coil consumes only reactive power and no real power. So it does not “broadcast” any power, not more than an unloaded transformer (the coil is not perfect so there’s always be small losses). Energy is only consumed when loaded. However the problem is that the coupling coefficient between the main coil and the receptors is very small, especially if the magnetic fields have to travel through air. That’s why several techniques have to be used. First, have the two coils have the same resonant frequency. Much more energy is transmitted this way. This is the basis of most of Tesla’s work. Second, try to get as much flux to couple between the two coils, and for this you must use collinear coil arrangements like shown in the picture. This makes it difficult to apply to mobile applications, where wireless power is the most needed.

Eric Giler lies a little in the video probably to lower the fears of the public. It does radiate, it’s not emitting gamma rays but it is emitting energy in some form. Also, high frequency, high intensity magnetic fields are nothing like the Earth’s natural field. Low frequency magnetic fields are generally seen as safe but we don’t have nearly has much background with high frequency ones.

Posted at 8:34 pm on Aug 28th, 2009 by vic

hehe. yeah everybody respects the tesla. if his ideas and theories were fully realized sustainability and efficiency wouldn’t be a problem. he wanted to harness energy from “cosmic sources” of some kind (solar, geothermal) and turn the atmosphere/ground into a giant tesla coil and cage. that’s why he built them, to test the theory. cool stuff. but the idea of having a never ending ion storm seems like it may have consequences…

but alas efficiency is a problem and this tech isn’t gonna be worth it, ever. just a dead end technology that may have a less inbred cousin that will work as soon as he is born.

Posted at 8:41 pm on Aug 28th, 2009 by nope

Eric: Magnetic fields are not the same as electric fields. A magnetic field cannot affect an electron “at rest”, where as an electric field can. That is the distinct difference between “electric” and “magnetic”.

nope: tesla’s idea of using the atmosphere for transmitting electricity was just fantastic… before radio was heavily used. If it was used now, lots of long range radio communications would be non existent due to the interference.

As for efficiency, for wireless power transfer, I suggest using a directional RF method instead of magnetic. This would allow a higher coefficient of transfer due to more energy being received on the device end. This extreme directionality cannot be achieved with magnetics. Using a magnetic system, you will always have alternating field lines, and they will weaken as they go outwards.

Yes, this system does use resonance, however, it is still a mutual inductance, open-air transformer. The difference is you are “pulsing” it in the kHz range instead of the Hz range (tuned coil). I really am sick of these “researchers” re-inventing the wheel. Yeah, great, you made 2 big coils that are magnetically coupled. Take it up with tesla you thieves.

If you would like to see the same effect, without all of the BS “scientific breakthroughs”, just take a florescent light bulb under some power lines.

Posted at 9:33 pm on Aug 28th, 2009 by the_truth

It’s not even relevant if you use a resonant circuit to drive the coil or not.

What matters is the (reactive) current that flows through the coil, be there a receiving coil with a load attached or not.

Although you might be able to modulate the transmitted field strength to accomodate varying power demands of different load situations, the whole system just cries inefficiency.

It’s nothing new, it wastes a lot of power, and I bet it is even dangerous if some arbitrary metal structure nearby just happens to be a near-impedance-match and heat up to incendiary temperatures. At least if tens or hundreds of watts are transmitted.

Am I wrong?

Posted at 9:51 pm on Aug 28th, 2009 by Tom

Lol ok I had to take a double look fist,l wasn’t sure what I was seeing, the future or the past. maybe both :)

@Dave: I think your 99% right :) but I think a concentrated beam, photon or another high energy directed would work. We can have targeted energy, no need to radiate blindly. sping it in 3 axes and pulse energy, probably would be more efficient. :P

Posted at 9:58 pm on Aug 28th, 2009 by Roman Dulgarov

So, if it is not 100% efficient, and also does not create radiation, then where does the missing energy leak out to?

Posted at 10:10 pm on Aug 28th, 2009 by Dan

@geodoom – that’s right, it’s all a *conspiracy* (never mind the physics).

It’s sad that Tesla gets recognition for crazy ideas that didn’t work out, yet almost none for our AC power system which was also his invention – and worked out a hell of a lot better than Edison’s DC.

quoth – Around 5 minutes in: “It doesn’t radiate. There are no electric fields here, only magnetic fields.” – unquoth

Yep, this is simply drivel that marks it as higorant hoopla.

What might require some thought is that *any* conductive object brought into the radiated field (including you) will have currents induced in it. Anyone spent any time around a big transmitter and noted how all sorts of things strike sparks from each other? Not in my home thanks.

Posted at 11:06 pm on Aug 28th, 2009 by Roly

I had an associate of mine at purdue preform a wireless power transfer system as his final design project.

Posted at 12:00 am on Aug 29th, 2009 by Mr Clerk

It doesn’t work. The guy says nothing new, but lets you focus on how cool it would be. It is worthless to think about it.

Posted at 12:23 am on Aug 29th, 2009 by Climatebabes

magnetic field declienes with 1/r^3 not 1/r^2 as the electric field does.

Besides this thing uses more copper in the supply-coil than running 10 TVs via wire at the same distance – really very “wireless” ;)

Transmitting Energy into a 3D volume can never be as effektive as a ~1D (wire) transmitting system.

Maybe some day we will really have more energy than we can ever waste and this wireless “new technology” gets a market ;P

Posted at 1:43 am on Aug 29th, 2009 by Till

maybe we should all move closer to the sun and just be done with it

Posted at 2:40 am on Aug 29th, 2009 by enufalready

All very nice. I’m an industrial electrician and the question i have is how am i to shut off certain devices or make sure there will be no power going through some of my stuff. Without having to shut down a major generator and thus cutting off ,potentially, streets, factory’s or a city.

I develop electrical closets that control chemical processes, backup power generators, pneumatic air compressors, robotic welders and various other stuff. Now for some chemical processes you need huge amounts of power, high amps. I don’t see this technology as being able to conduct these amounts in a simple compact way as supposed to just big copper bars. Some stuff could really come in handy because it wouldn’t require to copper to physically enter the process (mechanical problems heat and movement). But it just doesn’t seem feasible at that scale.

How am i to identify a magnetic stream from another?
Will the magnetic stream carry an id package?
This technology seems a goldmine for hackers and other culprits looking for free power.

Idea’s are plentiful but implementation is everything. This will need a lot of investment, a international law/standard and social acceptance by which i mean buyers and investors.

And the last thing i could think of was birds.
Yes, birds as in animals, some species have the ability to see magnetic fields and navigate by these fields. If we fuck up their system we end up with another very HUGE problem. A good example is oil-platforms that had to change their the color of their light beacons because birds had mistaken it for sunlight So they became disoriented and exhausted which resulted i a lot of dead birds.

Phew..finished sorry for any language errors or repetitions, English isn’t my first language.)

Posted at 4:26 am on Aug 29th, 2009 by Sharky

No, let those experts who need to reinvent wheels move closer to the sun and we are done with it…

Posted at 4:38 am on Aug 29th, 2009 by Neroon

Didn’t that iphone boot quite quickly?

I don’t trust a word he says…

Posted at 6:37 am on Aug 29th, 2009 by xchip

@xchip: you know, its supercharged from this technology ;-)

Posted at 8:53 am on Aug 29th, 2009 by laube

@ xchip
Boot? It didn’t boot. It went from standby to the ‘charging’ screen. That always happens that quickly.

“It’s better to close your mouth and have people think you a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.”

Posted at 9:51 am on Aug 29th, 2009 by nebulous

implementation is EVERYTHING. this guy isn’t trying too hard to impress nerds like us. It’s to get potential investors interested in his startup.

Normal consumers don’t give a shit how blackbox systems work, only that they do work and it stays the hell out of their way. This product whether new or not fulfills both requirements. If it can get past the “we’re gonna die from radiation” scare then I could see it having a good chance at succeeding.

Posted at 9:58 am on Aug 29th, 2009 by Jack

Got Cancer ?

Posted at 11:03 am on Aug 29th, 2009 by khani3s

It is kind of like the wireless rechargeable mouse that was on here a while back.

Posted at 11:05 am on Aug 29th, 2009 by kender

It’s can have rly bad influence for environment.
I mean not only birds(btw-some fishes using magnetic field too! -like sharks for hunting), but for whole magnetic field of Earth.

So video looks cool, but it’s ONLY a VIDEO ;D
MIT -Like to make a lot of noise about nothing ;)
This technology still needs a lot of HARD WORK to works good without bad influence for environment.

Posted at 2:48 pm on Aug 29th, 2009 by madone

Uh, the Ansible wasn’t Card’s. That was Ursula K. LeGuin’s idea, actually…

Posted at 5:04 pm on Aug 29th, 2009 by Lost Boy

makes me sick to promote a mechanism that wastes 50% of the power while justifying it because batteries are wasteful.

I mean if you plug in your electric car (which needs batteries to store the power) and that saves you 50% of your electricity bill vs driving over an induction charging mat – just because you’re so darn lazy you can’t plug it in. (same with your wall mounted TV) Its literally crazy talk.

It has its uses – no denying it – but wasting 50% of the power because you don’t want rechargeable batteries is just plain laziness. Not the business model I was hoping for :(

Posted at 9:36 pm on Aug 29th, 2009 by mark

>>”So, if it is not 100% efficient, and also does not create radiation, then where does the missing energy leak out to?”

heating you plumbing pipes and messing you TV

50% or more loss is already happen in any circuit
because of independence math and we cant do nothing about, waist another 50% from those 50 is insane

Posted at 2:03 am on Aug 30th, 2009 by therian

Im not as concerned about new perspectives on existing knowledge or technology. Where would we be without such things? I do have some questions about the magnitude of the electromagnetic fields produced by these componenets and their range. There are important government regulations about the filed strengths we, as humans, should limit ourselves to in order to avoid health problems. So much like nanofibers, which seem to affect us like asbestos, we really should ensure its implemented in a way that will not compromise our health.

Otherwise, sounds pretty cool. Im fed up with all the cords, cables and adaptors I am stuck with.

Posted at 6:46 am on Aug 30th, 2009 by Prof

I like how they mention Tesla briefly, then take credit for “discovering” this technology. Tesla basically did all the work. Inductive power certainly isn’t new. We use resonance constantly to broadcast signals. So what are they taking credit for, exactly? Running an experiment that’s already been done?

Don’t get me wrong, this is an awesome post. I enjoyed the video and I think wireless transmission of power is pretty interesting (even if it’s not really practical due to lack of efficiency), but it was just a bit too much of the guy “selling” the idea and not enough technical discussion.

Posted at 12:29 pm on Aug 30th, 2009 by rd

its a shame how all of Nikola Tesla’s work is being forgotten here on long island, the building behind which he was building the giant tower which should have been able to transmit not only power, but pictures, music, and videos as well is no being sold for a few million dollars

Posted at 12:47 pm on Aug 30th, 2009 by B

im sorry i mean is now being sold

Posted at 12:48 pm on Aug 30th, 2009 by B

@roly

ir westinghouse continued funding tesla, then maybe he may have came up with a better way of transmitting the power

Posted at 12:51 pm on Aug 30th, 2009 by B

50% loss compared the the efficiency of solar panels or energy output of gasoline engines. There is waste everywhere but always improvement. 50% might be a good place to start.

Posted at 1:15 pm on Aug 30th, 2009 by Jack

@jack
“50% loss compared the the efficiency of solar panels or energy output of gasoline engines. There is waste everywhere but always improvement. 50% might be a good place to start.”

The problem is that wireless transmission of power is _not_ an alternative to gasoline or solar. It doesn’t _produce_ or _contain_ power of any sort. It is an alternative to power cords, which are _very_ efficient.

Posted at 1:30 pm on Aug 30th, 2009 by rd

I probably should have said “it doesn’t produce or store _energy_ of any sort”

Posted at 1:32 pm on Aug 30th, 2009 by rd

Phones need to boot after they get power, they don’t instantly power on to the Home screen when you plug the battery in.

My guess is the phone was running off battery, but the screen was running off the coil, probably because they can’t get the coil need to power a whole phone small enough to look good in a demo.

Posted at 10:47 pm on Aug 30th, 2009 by mashina

Look silly humans, its not about wifi here on earth. Its about solar panels in space in sunlight 24 hours a day beaming power to us 24/7. No burning oil, or natural gas anymore. Imagine the change that will bring!

Posted at 1:35 am on Aug 31st, 2009 by jwilson07

It is Nicola, not Nicolai Tesla – Serb, not Russian. ;)

Posted at 6:28 am on Aug 31st, 2009 by Sasha

@jwilson07

Woo-hoo, orbital death ray for the win!

Fail.

Posted at 8:12 am on Aug 31st, 2009 by bob

Someone said billing is the big problem and I’d have to agree. Can I be sure my neighbours wall hung TV isn’t leaching off my supply through the relatively thin party wall?

Visitors to my home with their pockets loaded with rechargable gadgets, do I ask them to empty their pockets and shut them in a metal box till they leave? I know people who are that tight!

Also how is the total appliance load calculated, distributed – if I decide to fill the room with witricity appliances, how will I know I’ve got too many, apart from when they stop working correctly?

I think the potential niggles can easily overwhelm the ‘romance’ of the concept and prevent any chance of ubiquity for a long time.

Posted at 12:04 pm on Aug 31st, 2009 by Jimbo

I’ve been watching this video. Coming to definition of suck (2:29) there is something else that sucks too, that is to be precise, works really bad. It’s the tuned loop antenna as an transmitter antenna. Ask your HAM neighbor about that.

The physics says when used as transmitter antenna, small tuned loops can’t work as efficient as an dipole. It is because tuned coils have very low radiation efficiency.
In the demo, it works because the distance is fairly small, compared to the dimension of the antenna.

So it might recharge the mobile phone, it might recharge the laptop ( looking forward to see the actual charging pad ) but I’d not expect whole house powering units any time soon.

As for the safety, find volunteer with pacemaker, and also ask someone working on maintenance of high power transmitters about their experience on health related effects of strong high frequency magnetic fields.

Posted at 12:08 pm on Aug 31st, 2009 by space

@jwilson: I like the orbital death ray idea just fine, but it’d do better as e.g. directed microwaves than just running a huge, noisy spark-gap transformer…

Posted at 3:12 pm on Aug 31st, 2009 by James

In all seriousness: it’s a good idea to have in-home wireless power, provided that a) I’m not wasting a ton of electricity all the time and b) they do a *lot* more research to prove that it’s not going to kill my kids — I don’t know that living under power lines *does* hurt you but it frankly wouldn’t surprise me, and this is two orders of magnitude worse, at least. Of course, citywide transmitted power is 100% totally impractical, forever, end of story.

Posted at 3:19 pm on Aug 31st, 2009 by James

As previously posted, the reason Tesla did’nt get any additional funding for his idea was becouse he believed in free power for all. His idea was to generate electricity via a free source (niagra falls as an example) boost it up and make it avaliable. After the expense of converting from DC to AC, nobody wanted to reinvest in this new wireless technology in 1890’s, especially if billing was doubtfall. somethings never change…

Posted at 2:39 pm on Sep 1st, 2009 by Ade

Back in the sixties, I built a transistor radio that had no battery. It rectified the rf and used the voltage to run the radio…
You want new, just repeat history every few decades…

Posted at 7:40 pm on Sep 1st, 2009 by Bullsballs

Oh my Good what a shame,
Nikola Tesla not nicolai or nicola and of course with big N and much bigger T !!!

Posted at 3:45 am on Sep 2nd, 2009 by guest

Just a suggestion… many of you guys are well versed in a variety of Tesla’s old projects including forms of energy production and distribution. I just lurk, I’m definitely not a regular, but there have to be a group of regulars here… why not put together a unified project? decide on an idea of his you’d like to pursue and each put a bit of research time into it here or there and put together the results.

Not to be presumptuous you know.. just sayin..

also, I just dabble, so I wish I could make informed commentary on the above technology, but my technological knowledge is limited to “don’t cross the beams Venkman” and a bit of basic wiring.

-M

Posted at 4:01 pm on Sep 2nd, 2009 by Alex356

Hey -m,

Hold this red wire, while I show ya something…

Ladies and Gents, this is how we make a monkey dance!

Posted at 3:33 am on Sep 3rd, 2009 by bullsballs

I think I either missed something or was still wearing my grounding strap.

-m

Posted at 3:44 pm on Sep 3rd, 2009 by Alex356

is it possible we can transmit the power without wireless is it possible pls snd me that

Posted at 11:19 pm on Sep 11th, 2009 by ganesh

nice try guys. tesla beat you to it a century ago

Posted at 1:09 pm on Sep 15th, 2009 by googfan

OK, time for a little edification for non-Tesla types.

Back when Tesla was still working with George and was still regarded as sane, Tesla demonstrated a model submarine to the US military.
It had no batteries, or other forms of ONBOARD power, yet, Tesla was able to flip a switch on a box, and the submarine submerged. He then flipped another switch and said the submarine was traveling under water. A couple of other switches controlled direction. Anyways, when the first switch was put back to the off position, the sub came up where everyone thought it should!

The fun fact of the day was NOT the fact that he had remotely controlled a toy sub, nor that he supplied power to it remotely, but he did it while it was UNDER WATER…

Now, why was a HUGE VLF radio system developed by the navy? Because RADIO will not penetrate WATER…

I could stop here, and let you all think I made this up, but it was documented at the time, but no one today knows how he did it!

OH, and the military at the time thought it was impractical! Safer to have on board atomic reactors that blow up occasionally! Just ask the Russian Submariners…

So when someone comes along and repeates this ONE example of Tesla’s, then I will take notice!

Posted at 7:01 pm on Sep 15th, 2009 by bullsballs

i’m ankush rajpoot(student) from india and this is a great project,and i have also a project of wireless electricity.
when you see my project then u notice,
my project is also very useful for future…..
by the help of wireless electricity we save the
thousands of electricity wires and we solve also the economy conditions.
when i work in this project i face many advantages as well as disdvantages.

Posted at 11:16 pm on Sep 16th, 2009 by ankush rajpoot

my email id is krishnarajpoot05@yahoo.com,
in my project………
suppose that the city area is near about 50 km (diameter)and suppose that in this area we stand the 10 wifi electricity big towers and we face the great problem…..
colliding(+ positive signal)with(-negative signal).

sir please give me a chance to work with u,beacause i’m work a lot in wireless electricity.
I’m crazy about this project,but i’m not spend money because i’m student(20 yr) and studying in dehradoon’s college and i have a financial problem.

but i gave u my great ideas of wireless electricity,when u are intrested in my project,please do reply to me in my e-mail id….
thanks alot,

ANKUSH RAJPOOT

Posted at 11:54 pm on Sep 16th, 2009 by ankush rajpoot

ankush rajpoot, if it is true you are working on wireless energy transfer, good luck!
Be careful, it drove Tesla insane trying! He did get something going, and he was able to do it THROUGH water… So it just may be possible, but his attempt was halted by the United States military… Not to mention his backers pulled their money out…
There is nothing wrong with wires, just get them under ground!

Posted at 3:38 am on Sep 17th, 2009 by bullsballs

They shouldn’t look for free energy. There’s no such thing.
Just make all appliances use less. How many devices do you own that need adapters?

Posted at 4:51 am on Sep 18th, 2009 by HandyBob

Handy Bob
ALL energy is free, it flows all around and through us every second of every day.
Even the 60 hz electrical energy from the local monopoly is radiated from the wires. Many people have been sued for “stealing” power by tapping inductively from the grid and getting caught.
To capture the power, you just need to “tune in” as we used to say in the 70’s! Just have to know the frequency!

Posted at 4:47 am on Sep 19th, 2009 by Bullsballs

Orson Scott Card is a hack. Who the hell bores their main character to death? He almost bored me to death too. I have to finish something if I start reading it. I hate being so compulsive sometimes. That being said, I really don’t see much resemblance to the ansible (not that I completely understand everything going on here).

Posted at 4:00 pm on Sep 19th, 2009 by Spadefinger

Without getting too much into physics and quantum mechanics, a alternating magnetic field can cause a metal to vibrate at an atomic level. This movement, in turn, opens and closes electron gaps that are filled in by electrons which are then forced out when they closed. This, as many of us should know, is how electricity is induced in a metal.

As for the “electric field”, no such thing. Electricity is defined by the movement of electrons from point a to point b. They do not generate a field but they can vibrate a metal( a reversal of the process stated above) to induce a magnetic field. Henry Faraday has proven this process already. Tesla( the heavily screwed-over forgotten genius) and his work is just being re-packaged for the uncredited use of others.

Posted at 9:25 pm on Sep 24th, 2009 by Rollyn01

Rollyn01,
Sorry, but the electric or E field does exist, and is a component of radio waves. It is 90 degrees from the magnetic field.
As far as producing an electrical current, a conductor cutting magnetic lines of force causes the electrons to flow through a conductor, it has nothing to do with vibrations, although, vibrating metal in a magnetic field would produce alternating currents…
Now, study a gyroscope, it acts like an electron, as electrons are spinning. Apply a force to the axle, and it reacts 90 degrees from that force…
Enough for this lesson…

Posted at 6:59 pm on Sep 25th, 2009 by bullsballs

Next step you will say you “discovered” that there is a natural resonance in the ether and the ether is everywhere.

Tesla already invented a wireless ether battery that work naturally from the currents in the ether.

There is no need to generate primary power. A Bedini type effect that is released into capacitors to store potential. Eventually a feedback loop is created and it becomes cop >1

Quit enslaving people the tech display in this video never mentions there is no need for PRIMARY power if tuned properly. These people just want to sell you something.
Earth commercial slave planet.

Posted at 2:53 pm on Oct 30th, 2009 by t

Wireless electricity can make a revolution in electrical fields. It wipeout the wiring system also provide portable and flexible use of electrical appliances.

Posted at 8:59 am on Nov 6th, 2009 by Vishnu Deth J J