Imagine a network where information is spread through random handshake exchange of info on these implants.

Its a Geo Tracker… people never sell them =D

http://suzuki-forums.com
or
http://kick-fix.com

@Isama

New cars already have keyless functionality in place coupled with a start-stop button

I won’t go for the “Handshake protocol” puns so painfully presenting themselves in this post.

My wife’s new Toyota Rav has no key,just an RFID pendant, which means that anybody can drive so long as she’s in the car, you don’t actually unlock it (it’s unlocked when you get near) etc. Very handy…haven’t scanned it yet to see how easy it is to clone.

I’ve always wanted to do this to my car, but I don’t have the guts to implant an RFID tag in my hand. Maybe in my watch or something…

@jeff-o, for those who have pierced body parts, an RFID ring/stud would do the job.

Fail!

“had the tag implanted in his hand” – Now that’s dedication.

He could’ve mounted the RFID reader in the seat and implanted the chip on his bottom. That way no swiping the hand. ;P

The steering wheel’s on the wrong side…

Stupid

RFID tags are in animals and completely safe, however I do think it would have been much cooler in the steering wheel. You would just need to make sure it only turns the starter motor while the enginer is not running, otherwise the starter motor would run while your hand is on the wheel…

Is it normal to want to shake his hand while you have a RFID cloner hidden on your person and then watch the abject terror on his face as you start his car with an RFID emulator and a small RF amp?

@ risu, I think that is…

Jedi mind tricks on cars work they do.

RFID tag..implanted in your hand? Yeaah, you go right ahead. One day Google is going to have your daily activity on a map.

Nice..er..hack? But what dedication — you have a RING for your WIFE, and a SURGICAL IMPLANT for your CAR!

Awesome!

and all this effort for a 1963 Suzuki shitbucket…

This was covered when Amal Graafstra’s article was posted a few years back, he used his implant to start his motorcycle. Also, the government would have a damn hard time tracking a chip with a 4 inch read range, and mythbusters proved nothing will happen to the chip or the implantee when left in an MRI machine for 10 minutes straight. Also for the bible idiots, this doesnt fit your “sign of the devil” in any way shape or form.

If it isn’t key generator passive rfid he just made the car easier to steal.

If he had such rfid on the car to begin with he wouldn’t of had it stolen, most cars have it now.

@Chris is right.
Car thieves simply don’t care to spend the time messing with whatever fancy auth system you have, regardless of encryption.

Their main goal is to steal cars, not hack encryption. If your car isn’t immediately vulnerable to their standard attacks (screwdriver in ignition, etc.), they will move on to the hundreds of other cars nearby that ARE immediately vulnerable.
Your car windows might get smashed in frustration, but that’s better than losing an entire car.

Look guys, i’ll explain this… I live 20 miles from a big city… out here are…. people of lesser intelligence when it comes to electronics. No one in this entire area even know what RFID technology is.
Let the government track me… they’re going to have some buff as CIA guy constantly following me with a reader 2 inches from my hand… a little obvious no?

Mark of the beast = crap

Yes my Zuk is a 1991 hunk of crap. But I love that car and have modded the piss out of it. It’s getting a V6 and another 3 inches of lift on top of the 2 it already has. It maybe be a suzuki sidekick, but its going to be the hottest Sidekick in central washington.

Oh, and to those of you just saying this post is stupid… at least give a valid reason as to why you thin that it is instead of mindlessly throwing out a few words and then moving on to the next post you are going to flame….

Just my 2 cents.

I don’t like the idea of an implant, but I do love the hack. Well done. I have an idea though. Could you power the RFID reader from the brake lights? It would eliminate the switch. You’d only be able to start the car if you had your foot on the brake, which is probably where you’d have your foot anyway.

I used to have a 94 Zuk. It was sweet. 3″ lift, winch. I cut the arse end out of it and made it into a little pickup truck. Then I took the exhaust and rerouted it up through the bed, sorta straight up and down like a tractor trailer.

I have a 99 now and it’s trash. The Tracker 2s are nowhere near as good as the first generation Tracker/Sidekicks.

Hi Gareth,

It sounds like you have a VeriChip. Have you found any low cost OEM style reader hardware you can use to integrate into a project like this that works with your VeriChip?

Also, did you actually get yours implanted in the bicep? That could be a little awkward when trying to use it with DIY projects.

I’ve seen one DIY reader built that can handle it, but I was hoping there was more out there by now. It’s not that difficult of an air interface, it’s just no real manufacturer can license it. It’ll probably never happen because VeriChip’s value is not in their chips it’s in their applications.

Still, I was just putting the probe out there to see if anyone had heard of an equipment manufacturer that had been able to obtain license. Or, alternatively, has anyone been able to hack a VeriChip reader to get TTL/RS232 serial data out of it (or has even bothered trying)?

@Gareth
Yes they do cause tumors in a percentage of animals I read, that’s just not put out there much, it’s better to not get that into the media too much they decided since they want everybody’s pet chipped and that would not help the cause.

@Whatnot
Mental institution? Really? You sound like the church condemning Galileo. Honestly, what’s wrong with people using a functional implant for their own purposes? Would you say the same thing of someone using a hip replacement or pacemaker? Chances are you’re a government conspiracy nutjob… in which case there’s no way to have a straightforward conversation with you.

As for the cancer thing, there are mitigating factors, including the fact that us DIYers are not using glass tags approved for implantation and thus do not have the antimigration coating on them, which I believe is the cause of these cancerous cells found around the implant sites of elderly test rats: http://blog.amal.net/?p=48

You are saying using implants NOT approved is the safe and sensible thing?
And yeah I understand your anger because I expressed myself so explicitly and understandably you need to dismiss me right back, but at least you acknowledged the cancer risk thing in some circumstances, that’s pretty damn decent of your, I appreciate it.
The reason why I think it’s insane is that you reduce yourself to become an extension of a gadget, and walk around with a identifier that’s readable from a distance, but that last one is more a personal feeling since everybody seems very happy to walk around with cellphones and have them have GPS location awareness and personal identifiers and such, and I’m not.

As for the comparison with pacemakers, yeah if you get a pacemaker without needing it you would be insane, same for a hip implant, and I think that even those needing it are not exactly thrilled with the thought of having those, I don’t see people jumping up and down saying ‘well I might have a heart condition but at least I get a nice pacemaker, yay’

As for government conspiracies, well I’m not on board as much as those I’d call nutty, but I did have disagreements with certain types of republicans who deny even things the government publicly admitted, for instance there WERE (and probably still are) secret prisons after all, normally anybody claiming that might be dismissed as nutty but after it’s been confirmed they should stop, and the NSA with help from AT&T DID listen in on half the US population, it’s documented, and the FBI did admit they have sneaked in hacked firmware in suspect cellphones that allowed them to turn on the microphone while the set seemed off.
And if you list only a few of those confirmed occurrences any sensible person will conclude to be a bit suspicious towards trusting the government and its agencies.

It’s a good way to protect your card,and may be we we have another good way to protect your car bymoible phone

Whatnot: You’re on the right track. If you do much research on the subject of implantable RFID chips, you’ll find pretty frightening stuff. As I said, tech startups have to get funding from somewhere. Gee, I wonder who might have a vested interest in funding the development of the RFID chip market. . .

I totally agree with you. Why would any sane person implant something into themselves if their life didn’t depend on it? I’ve read all about this “transhumanist” crock. Some people watch too much Star Trek.

It’s kind of like getting a big New Kids on the Block tattoo on your forehead, “it seemed like a good idea at the time”. How about in 10 years?

wtf? “so that your government can track what you’re up to” ? How? Obviously you guys know nothing about how this tech works and what it is and isn’t capable of. Besides, blaming the technology for abuses by people is backward. Just because “the government” drives cars and trucks and uses guns to kill people doens’t mean we should condemn cars, trucks, and guns. Technology can be used for many things both benign and corrupt. I tend to think my use of the technology within the parameters of my own personal projects is fairly benign. Since the tag I have has an effective range of just 2 inches, I’m sure if “the goverment” wanted to find me they would much rather just ask my mobile phone carrier where I’m at… as so many governments around the world are doing these days.

“How do you know they’re safe? They’re not a long standing technology.” – What do you call 20+ years of implantation in pets with no side effects? We’ve already touched on the cancer issue, however if you look at the actual research and not reporter conjecture, two things become clear: 1) cancerous cells, not tumors, were found surrounding implant sites in very very old rodents who were dying of old age anyway. 2) none of the rodents where these cells were found actually died from carcinomas… they all died of more mundane things.

“The lunacy astounds.” – The only lunacy going on here is people namelessly commenting about things they obviously don’t understand, and yet refuse to learn about. It’s just more of this: http://blog.amal.net/?p=2317

Food for thought: A car, or gun is not implanted inside of your body, and a car or gun can not track you.

Hmmmmmmm. You DO know RFID is very easy to hack as well, right? This is even asuming that there’s no other issue with the thing.

Even more food for thought! I forgot about this great post where a whole lot of ground is covered… privacy, security, the government, tracking, medical records, etc.

http://rfidtoys.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=310&title=ill-admit-it-terrifies-me

Heh I can’t blame you for just being creeped out by having it in your body.

Just yesterday though I was picking up mail at the post office and the guy behind the counter asked “I heard you have some kind of chip in your arm or something?”, so I had to show him. The next question was “so can’t they track you?”… I am still dumbfounded by this question when people ask me it. I asked him “Who are these ‘they’ people you speak of?” and he basically said “well, the government I guess”

Where do people come up with this stuff?! Honestly? Is the idea that the government has all seeing powers so ingrained that it is now the defacto coat-hook to hand all unwarranted fears on? Anyway, I just said “No, it has a read range of only 2 inches, and as a government employee you should know they can barely get their act together when it comes to tracking packages… let alone people.”

PS, after hopping through a lot of dentists, I finally had all my amalgam fillings rooted out and replaced with composite. Quarrels with dentists are nothing new for me though; http://blog.amal.net/?p=744

well what if you can just get another thing implated in your hand. SEE EASY to STEAL!!!

These setups would be more functional if they just limited the ability to start, as opposed to being used to start the vehicle. EG, having the key and also requiring the tag for security reasons. No one item works alone, and the RFID should have a bypass that is hidden.

Having the sensor in a less obscure location would add to security. That way the thieves never even know it is a requirement. EG, hiding it in the seat-belt strap or within the side of the seat. You can casually activate it without drawing attention to your actions. A simple flashing LED would indicate success or failure.

For real security, demand both RFID’s in a specific order and with a specific time between RFID sensing. Having a programmable version allows you to create your own security. You are not limited to the restrictions of the read-only ID tag. The more non-standard and “corrupt” you can make the tag, the more secure it is. Clone tools throw-out junk tags.

RFID need a reed-switch inside the tag. That way it never broadcasts until you want it to broadcast. Just place it within range of a magnet.

Smart tags will have rolling encryption similar to car alarms. Multi-frequency and certificate authorities like the internet, before broadcasting info. These low-tech RFID’s are only good for what they were made for… Quick identification. Security should not be reduced because an unconfirmed device says, “Bob is here”. There are thousands of “Bobs”. Ok, you are Bob, so prove it by inserting your key and entering a PIN, so I know if this is Bob Smith or Bob Marley.

Cool toy, all the same. Getting one soon.

BTW, nothing is “completely safe” for surgical implanting. There is a lot of news around the malignant cancerous tumors caused by many of these devices. (Though I believe that is only the ones which have the bonding-agent that the FDA apparently “blindly” approved for human use. And the ones from china with high led content in the glass. EG, not bio-glass. Intended for use only in liquids and external devices.)

Just be careful and get checked for medical issues. (The issue with MRI is simply that the RFID interferes with the image. It shows a solid black halo, blocking the ability to “see” what is actually there. Nothing harmful, unless you need to “See” that there is cancerous cells growing off the RFID glass.)

Just wanted to update everyone thinking im going to have cancer or be tracked by the government.

After 6 months, my implant is the same as the day it was put in. No cancer, no rejection.

Although, I have had a guy in a black suit calling me ‘Mr. Anderson’ following me around with a backpack and some sort of scanning device though.. every time he gets close enough to read my tag…. about 2 inches from my hand, I slap his hand away and say ‘NO! that’s a bad bad government agent! Next time I’m going to use a squirt bottle… or a rolled up newspaper…. :P